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Computer Question - 7/7/2011 6:03:20 AM   
flcouple2009


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Status: offline 		I have an upgrade pack for Windows 7 which has the 32 and 64 bit versions.  For reasons concerning work I must use the 32 bit version. 

Does anyone know it if is possible to have the 32 bit and 64 bit loaded on the same computer on different partitions.  That way I can use the 32 bit for work and the 64 bit for everything else.

They have the same license number and I know I can't use them on different computers.  I am just looking for a way to use both versions on the same computer.     

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RE: Computer Question - 7/7/2011 6:33:30 AM   
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I have an upgrade pack for Windows 7 which has the 32 and 64 bit versions.  For reasons concerning work I must use the 32 bit version. 

Does anyone know it if is possible to have the 32 bit and 64 bit loaded on the same computer on different partitions.  That way I can use the 32 bit for work and the 64 bit for everything else.

They have the same license number and I know I can't use them on different computers.  I am just looking for a way to use both versions on the same computer.     


http://lmgtfy.com/?q=can+you+install+windows+7+upgrade+32+bit+and+64+bit+on+different+partitions

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From which page we get:

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_7-windows_install/can-i-dual-boot-32bit-and-64bit-windows-7-and-if-i/e5099d54-3d67-48c3-a77e-8a3ca1b2c994

The problem seems to be a) the license only applies to one copy being activated at a time - this means that no, you can't have 2 versions activated at the same time using the same license key, which is a bit stinky of them IMHO. Also b) that's for the Enterprise and Premium full licenses, as best I understand it - the upgrade may not allow the same freedoms - there are different flavours of "upgrade", depending on type bought and country of use.

So the answer appears to be "yes you can, but only one of them can be activated from the same root license key, coz we're cheeky". So, in practice, no you can't.

Personally, unless you've got some fuck-off amounts of memory installed, and have software that specifically leverages the full 64-bit set, then I'd just run 32 bit across the board; the performance benefits of 64-bit aren't as great as many people think they are. Some trialling with a few processor-intensive (and GPU intensive) games (yes, I'm sad enough to install then re-install things just to see what happens) indicated that, for most desktop systems of reasonable power, using 64-bit Win7 doesn't make a vast amount of difference (typically 3-4 extra FPS in a high-res first person shooter, for example), unless the desktop unit was stuffed to the gills with RAM, and even then it had to be decent quality RAM.

If you want to go that route I'd suggest borrowing a 32-bit license key from work, installing that, then installing a 64-bit version in a dual-boot way, and register that using the upgrade's license key you own from the upgrade pack.

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RE: Computer Question - 7/7/2011 7:37:09 AM   
flcouple2009


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Status: offline 		I know I am not supposed to.  Just wondering if anyone knew a way to make it work.

The graphics and video editing programs I have which have been written over for 64 bit have a significant increase in speed.  I may just throw together a little box for work.


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RE: Computer Question - 7/7/2011 7:48:42 AM   
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I know I am not supposed to.  Just wondering if anyone knew a way to make it work.



Sorry, I don't bother with pirate stuff or hacked OS these days. More hassle than it's worth - cheaper (once you factor in your time) to just buy a legit copy of Win7.

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RE: Computer Question - 7/7/2011 8:01:37 AM   
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If the security works like it does in XP Home, it uses a hardware profile file generated during the install* if I'm not mistaken. I read a decent article on it that told where and what the file is but I don't remember now. The article stated that certain hardware changes would make the file invalid, making reregistration necessary, others would not. For example throwing in some RAM or changing a video card would probably not set it off, but other things would. The motherboard chipset for example......

Being more advanced it might go as far as to use some sort of ESN generated by BIOS or who knows, but in either case that shouldn't bother it, as long as it is the exact same computer. Since this security scheme is probably more advanced, I would say that both boot sectors may have to actually be on the same drive, but I have no way of knowing that. However among the choices - two boot drives or one drive with two partitons, it seems that if you just use two boot partitions on the same drive and use another for data etc., it's six of one half dozen of another.

I don't think you have anything to lose by trying, but don't take that to the bank. You know I am not a guru when it comes to this, but I think it's highly possible that you can do it. Plus, really, your license says at one time on one computer, which it is.

*ETA : and no doubt modified during boot when it is loading drivers.

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RE: Computer Question - 7/7/2011 8:05:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		You can do that. The easiest way might be to run vmware and put the 32 bit inside a virtual machine. Then both machines are always accessable. Microsoft wants a license for both instances, but physically it is on one machine.

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RE: Computer Question - 7/7/2011 8:12:46 AM   
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ORIGINAL: flcouple2009

I know I am not supposed to.  Just wondering if anyone knew a way to make it work.



If they were both win 7, you need a progam called (norton boot majic*) or something like that,
however if one of them is win7 & the other is older like vista, its easy,
istall the older one on C,first & the win 7 on d,

PS: i would recommend Win XP SP2 64 bit, (alot of win32 programs can run)
*= i will look the right name for the program, its from Symantic I know for sure,


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RE: Computer Question - 7/7/2011 8:21:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		Most BIOS gives you a choice if it finds two bootable sectors in the same box. You might have to set it to do so but every PC I've run across recently has this capability.

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RE: Computer Question - 7/7/2011 8:26:45 AM   
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Sorry, I don't bother with pirate stuff or hacked OS these days. More hassle than it's worth - cheaper (once you factor in your time) to just buy a legit copy of Win7.


Where exactly did I mention any pirated or hacked software?


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RE: Computer Question - 7/7/2011 8:30:16 AM   
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RE: Computer Question - 7/7/2011 8:41:30 AM   
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RE: Computer Question - 7/7/2011 9:09:09 AM   
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RE: Computer Question - 7/7/2011 9:30:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		OK, I'm hazy on this, but:
I have a similar problem with some of the work I do - I have to use a web-based program that only works on 32 bit IE. Simples: I have both 32 bit and 64 bit IE installed on my computer. I've vaguely assumed from that that you can generally get 64 bit software somehow to work like 32 bit software for the purposes of compatibility. Maybe that's the route to take?

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RE: Computer Question - 7/7/2011 3:03:57 PM   
flcouple2009


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You can do that. The easiest way might be to run vmware and put the 32 bit inside a virtual machine. Then both machines are always accessable. Microsoft wants a license for both instances, but physically it is on one machine.


That's the issue, they both have the same license.  The set came with the 32 bit and 64 bit version but one license.  It's supposed to be use one or the other. 

I was just trying to find out if there was any way it could be set up so that Microsoft would let me run both on the same machine without purchasing a separate license. 

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RE: Computer Question - 7/7/2011 3:06:35 PM   
flcouple2009


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I agree with you it's worth a shot.  The worst that can happen is the second install won't register.  It should recognize it as the exact computer that license was registered to.


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RE: Computer Question - 7/7/2011 5:54:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		I know you're not the hacker type, but I would help you run it on 500 machines if I could. You might try just doing it, make two partitions and load both and register them. I'd bet it's hardware based, as such there should not be a problem, but don't take that to the bank.

I'd like to see if it can be done on two identical machines really. That would answer the question about it using some sort of BIOS ESN or something. That's really something that can't be changed, and if they implemented it that way, hardwarel changes would never require reactivation. Does a BIOS flash require an update ? I have no idea. How about a processor upgrade ?

Intellectual property rights laws are very fucked up. If you have the right under the agreement to load it as 64 bit, there should be no problem loading dual boot to run 32. If that was not so, if you bought a CD in stereophonic it would follow that it would be illegal to play it in monophonic. A movie encoded with licensed THX sound could not be played on a system without THX licensed sound.

Encoding raw audio to an MP3 then for an MP3 player would similarly be illegal. In that case every ipod is a criminal tool. Why do they sell them then ? Of course there was this court case with Sony and the MPAA a long time ago.........

I would try it. Two partitions, dual boot. You are still only runnig one on one machine like the license states. Well, it may have changed so I would have to read the new one.

If they thought all this out, it's possible that when you try to install it may refuse, perhaps urging you to "repair" the install on the other partition. I almost feel like taking a crack at it, no pun intended, YET.

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RE: Computer Question - 7/7/2011 7:18:59 PM   
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RE: Computer Question - 7/8/2011 12:01:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		It depends on what triggers what. I think the hardware change is detected during driver loading on bootup. That invalidates the file. I think I know how it was discovered in XP home. Someone unplugged a PC and put the drive in another, and compared files. The people who wrote what I read were obviously hackers.

Want to really see something ? Unplug your PC and throw the drive from it in as a slave in another PC. Temp files galore, and an up to date internet cache. Nothing gets deleted without power. People used to bring PCs to me and when I "discovered" things, I told them exctly when they had it running last, where they had been on the net last and all that. That was then.

I wish I cared now.

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