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Should the National Anthem be changed?


keep it
  68% (15)
Change it to "America the Beautiful
  18% (4)
Change it to another song
  13% (3)


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(last vote on : 7/5/2011 9:14:43 AM)
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Should the National Anthem be changed? - 7/4/2011 1:10:11 PM   
Hillwilliam


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Status: offline 		Another thread here reminded me of the simmering contriversy about our national anthem.

There have been folks who say it should be changed for a couple of reasons.

1.  It's damn hard to sing.  The melody is allegedly from an old British drinking song.  It's made for Brit drunks, not sober Americans.

2.  This country is about more than a flag and a war.  Resources, Natural Beauty, Productivity, Strength

What say you folks?

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RE: Should the National Anthem be changed? - 7/4/2011 1:13:50 PM   
Moonhead


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Status: offline 		I'm thinking the Milwall football* song would work well for your country:

"Everybody hates us, we don't care
"We are MilwallAmerica, mighty MilwallAmerica..."

The zen cockney mantra.

*("soccer" to yanks: the proper version, not Australian rules football played by steroid freaks in body armour)

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RE: Should the National Anthem be changed? - 7/4/2011 1:17:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		Nah it's fine. It is about war, but inspired by a war where we defended our land from the British, not where we went off to nation build in a foreign country.

It's hard to sing, but when somebody sings it right it's absolutely awe inspiring.

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RE: Should the National Anthem be changed? - 7/4/2011 1:18:44 PM   
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RE: Should the National Anthem be changed? - 7/4/2011 1:21:56 PM   
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RE: Should the National Anthem be changed? - 7/4/2011 1:23:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		Keep it. It's a stirring song, it's about a glorious episode in your history, the only time when you were really were directly threatened by a foreign power. The fact that it's derived from (or similar too) an old drinking song I find appropriate, after all you guys did have a Whiskey Rebellion.

It reminds me of the Scottish singing their anthem all about sending the English packing way back when.

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RE: Should the National Anthem be changed? - 7/4/2011 1:26:26 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: imperatrixx

ew oh dear god no kill it with fire

Sorry, couldn't resist.
(I'm surprised they haven;'t had the fat dancer from Take That singing that one at a superbowl: it's probably his life's ambition. Of course, somebody in the 'States would have to give a flying fuck about him before that happened, which might take a while. bet the smarmy little cunt wishes he'd taken that part in Batman and Robin when they offered it to him, now...)

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RE: Should the National Anthem be changed? - 7/4/2011 1:27:30 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Arpig
It reminds me of the Scottish singing their anthem all about sending the English packing way back when.


May she like torrent rush
Rebellious Scots to crush
Long to reign over us
God save the Queen...

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RE: Should the National Anthem be changed? - 7/4/2011 1:32:34 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

Another thread here reminded me of the simmering contriversy about our national anthem.

There have been folks who say it should be changed for a couple of reasons.

1.  It's damn hard to sing.  The melody is allegedly from an old British drinking song.  It's made for Brit drunks, not sober Americans.

2.  This country is about more than a flag and a war.  Resources, Natural Beauty, Productivity, Strength

What say you folks?


3. socialism, left wing politics, entitlements, confiscatory taxation and also a burdgeoning nanny state. 

The song represents struggle and a fight against tyranny and yet we have slid in a soft-tyranny of our own.  Yes, it should be changed.  What do the Soviets sing??

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RE: Should the National Anthem be changed? - 7/4/2011 1:32:40 PM   
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The Star Spangled Banner recalls a time when we almost lost this country... and reminds us that we still can if we're fucking stupid enough.

Which, in my opinion, those who would prefer America the Beautiful apparently are.

God shed His grace on thee
God mend thine ev'ry flaw
May God thy gold refine
God shed His grace on thee

There's a lyric we can all agree on, eh? I mean, hey, why mention God only peripherally, once, in the last verse, when we can sing about about him in every verse! Sharp thinking!

Foot, shoot.

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RE: Should the National Anthem be changed? - 7/4/2011 1:35:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: lockedaway
What do the Soviets sing??

They don't: the soviet union collapsed twenty years ago.
(Bit surprised you didn't notice that, to be honest.)

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RE: Should the National Anthem be changed? - 7/4/2011 1:40:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: lockedaway

The song represents struggle and a fight against tyranny and yet we have slid in a soft-tyranny of our own.  Yes, it should be changed.  What do the Soviets sing??



Actually the war that inspired it was mostly about land. We were well free of the British by 1812.

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RE: Should the National Anthem be changed? - 7/4/2011 1:57:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: imperatrixx

Actually the war that inspired it was mostly about land.

Yeah, our land...

With the recent defeat of Napoleon the previous year, thousands of British troops along with many seasoned officers, including Major General Robert Ross, were deployed to America to undertake a major campaign on America's East Coast. In August, 1814, British forces sailed from the Royal Naval Dockyard in Bermuda to attack the U.S. capital of Washington, D. C. On August 24, the British Army had overrun confused American defenders at the Battle of Bladensburg and marched into Washington, which had been abandoned by the military. After burning and looting the White House, Capitol, Treasury, War Department and other public buildings and forcing the destruction of the Washington Navy Yard, the British carted public and private possessions back to their ships. President James Madison and the entire government fled the city; Madison wandered around Virginia and Maryland for several days. The British also sent a fleet up the Potomac to threaten the prosperous ports of Alexandria and Georgetown, which lie just west of Washington, and cut off Washington's water access. The mere appearance of the fleet cowed American defenders into fleeing from Fort Warburton without firing a shot, and undefended Alexandria surrendered. The British spent several days looting hundreds of tons of merchandise from city merchants, then turned their attention north to Baltimore, where they hoped to strike a knockout blow against the demoralized Americans.

Source

Yeah it's Wikipedia. But it's referenced, and there are no substantial objections raised on the Discussion page.

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RE: Should the National Anthem be changed? - 7/4/2011 1:59:02 PM   
imperatrixx


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Status: offline 		Right. About land. Not tyranny.

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RE: Should the National Anthem be changed? - 7/4/2011 2:00:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: imperatrixx

Right. About land. Not tyranny.

You have a very peculiar sense of humor.

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RE: Should the National Anthem be changed? - 7/4/2011 2:00:56 PM   
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RE: Should the National Anthem be changed? - 7/4/2011 3:15:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		Dump it.   It is not like anyone here knows the 3rd and 4th verse. 

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RE: Should the National Anthem be changed? - 7/4/2011 3:34:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		yeh dump it....it needs to be something more politically approriate

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Generals gathered in their masses
Just like witches at black masses

Evil minds that plot destruction
Sorcerers of death's construction
In the fields the bodies burning
As the war machine keeps turning
Death and hatred to mankind
Poisoning their brainwashed minds

Oh lord yeah!

Politicians hide themselves away
They only started the war
Why should they go out to fight?
They leave that role to the poor

Time will tell on their power minds
Making war just for fun
Treating people just like pawns in chess
Wait 'til their judgement day comes
Yeah!

Now in darkness world stops turning
Ashes where the bodies burning
No more war pigs have the power
Hand of God has struck the hour
Day of judgement, God is calling
On their knees the war pig's crawling
Begging mercy for their sins
Satan laughing spreads his wings
Oh lord yeah!










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RE: Should the National Anthem be changed? - 7/4/2011 3:41:12 PM   
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It is not like anyone here knows the 3rd and 4th verse.
You'd be surprised what some people know. I had to learn it because we had to sing it for some visiting American kids back in grade 9. As best I can remember it goes like this:

Oh, say, can you see, by the dawn's early light,
What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming
Whose broad stripes and bright stars, through the perilous fight
O'er the ramparts we watched, were so gallantly streaming
And the rockets' red glare, the bombs bursting in air
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there
O say, does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave

On the shore dimly seen through the mists of <the deep/our sleep?>
Where the foe's <???> host in dread silence reposes
What is that which the breeze, o'er the towering steep
As it <fitfully?> blows, half conceals, half discloses
Now it catches the gleam of the morning's first beam
In full glory reflected, now shines on the <dream?>
Tis the star-spangled banner: O, long may it wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave

And where is that band who so vauntingly soared
That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion
A home and a country should leave us no more
Their blood has washed out <something something> pollution
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave
     
O, thus be it ever when freemen shall stand
Between their loved home and the war's desolation
Blest with victory and peace, may the heaven-rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just
And this be our motto: "In God do we trust"
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave

That's how it goes, more or less. how did I do? rather embarrassingly I'm not sure what the current version of O Canada is, but they have made so many changes that it seems everybody knows a slightly different version.

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RE: Should the National Anthem be changed? - 7/4/2011 3:48:44 PM   
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