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FirmhandKY -> Reading "on the bias" ... (7/1/2011 5:11:41 PM)
I think these couple of paragraphs are interesting and may even be helpful, especially if you are interested in attempting to be self-aware, and to be able to detect your own biases, as well as others. The exact context (read: political tiff) from which they arise is immaterial to the point, and I'm not interested in even discussing it, but the philosophical point made is the meat of the matter. Critical Reading It's important, when you're reading and you get a feeling to stop and think: What made me feel like that? It can be very enlightening! Go back over the precise words that set you off. There may be an interesting discrepancy between those words and your feelings. Pay attention to your own mind. Confront the ways in which other people's minds are genuinely different from yours. To some extent, it's good to imagine that another person's thoughts resemble yours. Emily Mills wants the liberal side to win, so when she's reading something I wrote that doesn't help, she presumes I'm on the other side. She knows how she embodies her thoughts cagily into words, and she imagines that I'm doing the same kind of thing. But other people deserve to be recognized as separate and different. One of the reasons to read is to get the feeling of how another person thinks. Don't close yourself off to that. You'll be a better reader, and, I would argue, a better person, because you will be accepting and confronting the author's humanity and individuality. Firm

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Reading "on the bias" ... (7/1/2011 5:16:30 PM)
"when you're reading and you get a feeling to stop and think" Must be addressed to conservatives. Most liberals cant "read, feel and think", their heads would assplode.

flcouple2009 -> RE: Reading "on the bias" ... (7/1/2011 5:37:25 PM)
Let me help, you missed this part *Don't close yourself off*

kat321 -> RE: Reading "on the bias" ... (7/1/2011 5:53:12 PM)
The point of critical reading (which is a specific field of study, not a vernacular term as it is used in the title given) is to recognize purpose, recognize persuasive elements in the text and recognize author bias. Making these inferences is inherent to the task. Professor Althouse seems to say that the respondent to her blog is not critically reading BECAUSE she may recognize persuasive elements and/or bias in Althouse's (personal) writing and then pens her responses accordingly. I can understand not wanting others to detect bias in your work and then basing their responses on it, but to deny that it is a possibility and then attack the respondent as projecting his or her worldview on your writing is both academically disingenuous and hypocritical.

Real0ne -> RE: Reading "on the bias" ... (7/1/2011 6:01:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY I think these couple of paragraphs are interesting and may even be helpful, especially if you are interested in attempting to be self-aware, and to be able to detect your own biases, as well as others. The exact context (read: political tiff) from which they arise is immaterial to the point, and I'm not interested in even discussing it, but the philosophical point made is the meat of the matter. Critical Reading It's important, when you're reading and you get a feeling to stop and think: What made me feel like that? It can be very enlightening! Go back over the precise words that set you off. There may be an interesting discrepancy between those words and your feelings. Pay attention to your own mind. Confront the ways in which other people's minds are genuinely different from yours. To some extent, it's good to imagine that another person's thoughts resemble yours. Emily Mills wants the liberal side to win, so when she's reading something I wrote that doesn't help, she presumes I'm on the other side. She knows how she embodies her thoughts cagily into words, and she imagines that I'm doing the same kind of thing. But other people deserve to be recognized as separate and different. One of the reasons to read is to get the feeling of how another person thinks. Don't close yourself off to that. You'll be a better reader, and, I would argue, a better person, because you will be accepting and confronting the author's humanity and individuality. Firm yeh propenhoppin was ocnsiderably better educated and correct on the meaning of the constitutions et al, however she didnt apply any or much of it in practice. I personally would rather have a dumb ass that might get it right sometime than a smart ass that plays to the piper and willfully damages the people.

LafayetteLady -> RE: Reading "on the bias" ... (7/1/2011 6:20:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kat321 The point of critical reading (which is a specific field of study, not a vernacular term as it is used in the title given) is to recognize purpose, recognize persuasive elements in the text and recognize author bias. Making these inferences is inherent to the task. Isn't another very important part when forming an opinion (agreement or disagreement) on what one read to not miss certain points when they don't support your opinion?

FirmhandKY -> RE: Reading "on the bias" ... (7/1/2011 6:56:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kat321 The point of critical reading (which is a specific field of study, not a vernacular term as it is used in the title given) is to recognize purpose, recognize persuasive elements in the text and recognize author bias. Making these inferences is inherent to the task. Professor Althouse seems to say that the respondent to her blog is not critically reading BECAUSE she may recognize persuasive elements and/or bias in Althouse's (personal) writing and then pens her responses accordingly. I can understand not wanting others to detect bias in your work and then basing their responses on it, but to deny that it is a possibility and then attack the respondent as projecting his or her worldview on your writing is both academically disingenuous and hypocritical. Massive fail.

LafayetteLady -> RE: Reading "on the bias" ... (7/1/2011 7:36:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY quote: ORIGINAL: kat321 The point of critical reading (which is a specific field of study, not a vernacular term as it is used in the title given) is to recognize purpose, recognize persuasive elements in the text and recognize author bias. Making these inferences is inherent to the task. Professor Althouse seems to say that the respondent to her blog is not critically reading BECAUSE she may recognize persuasive elements and/or bias in Althouse's (personal) writing and then pens her responses accordingly. I can understand not wanting others to detect bias in your work and then basing their responses on it, but to deny that it is a possibility and then attack the respondent as projecting his or her worldview on your writing is both academically disingenuous and hypocritical. Massive fail. Great example of "critical reading." That is, of course, unless you thought your own post was a bunch of bullshit and you were just sharing it.

SternSkipper -> RE: Reading "on the bias" ... (7/1/2011 7:59:32 PM)
quote: It's important, when you're reading and you get a feeling to stop and think: What made me feel like that? It can be very enlightening! Go back over the precise words that set you off. Hahahahahahaha.... yeah, that was I guess the technique you were using a while back when you responded to facts being brought forward (however colorfully) with a rant that included hitler and the antichrist? Entertaining... I can see this thread's gonna be dull [image]local://upfiles/18637/948F2C5977214722B774A753AC38B296.jpg[/image]

Hillwilliam -> RE: Reading "on the bias" ... (7/1/2011 8:03:16 PM)
Every article I read, I ask: Where is the author trying to steer me? Why? How?

SternSkipper -> RE: Reading "on the bias" ... (7/1/2011 8:10:28 PM)
quote: Every article I read, I ask: Where is the author trying to steer me? Why? How? If you are such a suave internet savant, how come you display a picture of a giant cock as your avatar?

Edwynn -> RE: Reading "on the bias" ... (7/1/2011 8:30:57 PM)
The 'suaveness' of the internet and 'appreciation' of it (as such) or pretty much any media, if understood for what they are, should make reconciliation of the reasonably thought out posts in this case with the accompanying avatar not actually difficult.

Hillwilliam -> RE: Reading "on the bias" ... (7/1/2011 9:50:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SternSkipper quote: Every article I read, I ask: Where is the author trying to steer me? Why? How? If you are such a suave internet savant, how come you display a picture of a giant cock as your avatar? It's a bit of a snark about all the women that complain about the "cock shots" they get shoved in their face when they browse profiles. It's proven to be a good ice breaker. I actually get emails about once a week or so from woman laughing saying "nice cock shot"

FirmhandKY -> RE: Reading "on the bias" ... (7/2/2011 1:17:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SternSkipper quote: It's important, when you're reading and you get a feeling to stop and think: What made me feel like that? It can be very enlightening! Go back over the precise words that set you off. Hahahahahahaha.... yeah, that was I guess the technique you were using a while back when you responded to facts being brought forward (however colorfully) with a rant that included hitler and the antichrist? Your failure to understand my comments on your thread, as shown by your comments here is a good example of your failure to exercise the method of thoughtful reading given above. Sarcasm and hyperbole is something you may not understand. I'd suggest a bit more attention to context, and figure out why you seem to be comfortable when you dish it out, but you fail to understand it when it is reflected back at you. Firm

FirmhandKY -> RE: Reading "on the bias" ... (7/2/2011 1:25:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady Great example of "critical reading." That is, of course, unless you thought your own post was a bunch of bullshit and you were just sharing it. I think you miss the fact that I specifically said that the circumstances surrounding the origin of the comments were not something pertinent to the discussion of the concept advanced. She responded with apparently flawed information in her first paragraph, and then proceeded to bitch about the political affair in the rest of her post that I specifically asked to be ignored, as it was not germane to the discussion here. She's from Wisconsin, and I suspect she has strong emotions over that particular subject. She therefore was blind to the actual meaning and thrust of the discussion topic. She saw what she wanted to see, and reacted completely emotionally, with no self-awareness and no critical thinking at all, thereby demonstrating exactly the opposite of the technique that the OP discussed. A great example of why the thread is needed, I'll grant, but in a very negative sense. A "massive fail", in other words. (And yes, I know the term "epic fail" but intentionally did not use it) Firm

Sanity -> RE: Reading "on the bias" ... (7/2/2011 6:12:45 AM)
Thank you for the post Firm, I know that your motivation is to try to bring the forums up to a higher level of discussion and I can see why that is needed. Myself, I will endeavor to resist the natural inclination to believe that I am perfect in every way and try to use these ideas to become a more critical reader. Like it or not, its always a good time to work at self improvement.

FirmhandKY -> RE: Reading "on the bias" ... (7/2/2011 6:20:58 AM)
Yes. Working on self-improvement never is complete. There is only "better" and "worse", never "perfection". Although I come close, at times. [:D] Firm

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