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RE: Edwynn's problem ... - 6/29/2011 1:43:12 AM   
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Great shows.
i imagine! i fucking love lbm, they are great.

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RE: Edwynn's problem ... - 6/29/2011 1:48:02 AM   
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That was my former life, Hannah.

You name it, I worked it, in some capacity or another.




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RE: Edwynn's problem ... - 6/29/2011 5:13:07 AM   
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eta: I miss working in live music production *sigh*

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RE: Edwynn's problem ... - 6/29/2011 5:19:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		I rarely think the same as Hannah, but she's right. The only person who came in to shit on someone else was Edwynn when he attacked Hannah for not sharing his taste in music.

Even way back before ipods and cds, I knew people who liked one genre over another. It doesn't make one right and the other wrong, it makes them different.

The ancient Romans had a saying for things like this, over two thousand years ago. De Gustabus non disputandum. Meaning there is no use arguing about taste.


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RE: Edwynn's problem ... - 6/29/2011 5:35:32 AM   
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They did not use any electronic/digital devices in that day, and your ears are 'behind the curve' in capacity to take notice of real acoustical events in this regard. Count yourself among many. 

I understand your disdain there.

This is how it works to the modern ear. Trust me on this.






It has nothing to do with the modern ear, I just can't stand gospel music and Happy Day was always one song that really really annoyed me, just hate it with a passion. I can appreciate the voices and not like them, but I have my own tastes, give me Dylan, Melanie, Lou Reed or Callas, voices with a rasp or something that makes them stand out, if they're too smooth, I get annoyed. This music made me think I was stuck in an elevator, seriously hated it.

So I guess I have no soul or maybe I just have a different taste. It's like food, the most marvelous dish, well prepared and all, if it doesn't resonate well with your taste buds, it doesn't make you a bad person, it just makes you a person who prefers different food. A bit like Marmite, maybe (loath the stuff, not sure something more vile tasting was ever invented - yet others love it)

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RE: Edwynn's problem ... - 6/29/2011 8:34:54 AM   
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eta: I miss working in live music production *sigh*



I sorta kinda miss it, GT, but it had gotten so freakin' loud in my last years of it, my 'good ears' seemingly didn't matter anymore.
But local productions were usually the most work and the most fun too.

Running a 4 track tape machine that had the show scenes out of order so I had to FF and rewind several times during the show, a looped cart for sound effects (a special purpose 8 track used for commercials on radio back then), a CD, 8 wireless mics, 6 mics on stands, 6 hand held mics, all the above for the stage, then another 16 mics for the orchestra pit. For a theme park show.

I had 2 shows to observe and learn it, 1 show to practice while the previous sound guy looked over me and caught the mistakes, then I was on my own the next 2 weeks. Five shows a day during the week, six shows on Saturday and Sunday.

Ed was a busy bee on that one!





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RE: Edwynn's problem ... - 6/29/2011 8:37:02 AM   
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although, I do appreciate a sound guy that doesnt get nicknamed SPIKE!!  LOL

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RE: Edwynn's problem ... - 6/29/2011 9:17:26 AM   
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Hannah and Lady Constanze,

I do enjoy your contributions here, to a great extent.

I do not come here seeking full agreement on everything, and I suspect you don't either. I will make a great presumption here and say that we all might be in the 'learn from the discussion' crowd.

I used a rhetorical device of hyperbolic overstatement in the "doesn't have a soul" comment, but I never meant to actually accuse anyone of that.

Lady C, "too smooth" would not be the first impression for most people hearing The Edwin Hawkins Singers, but I get your drift nonetheless.

Regardless of music style, the majority of 'Happy!' songs are as an emetic to me. Don't ask me how or why, that one song actually 'worked' for me. I can understand if it doesn't for others.

But after all the 'doom and gloom' posts of Marini in P&R, I finally tripped over something that brought joy to her.

Ed is a happy fellow now, for reasons beyond some simple song.

I don't wish to bring others down in the same process, that would be against the purpose.


Thanks again for your input, here and elsewhere.





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RE: Edwynn's problem ... - 6/29/2011 9:47:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think our happy songs might just be different, I can sit happily through hours and hours of Leonard Cohen and The Cure and all that while other people beg for razor blades I'm smiling and don't understand why they feel depressed, I find the stuff beautiful.

Music is very much a mood thing, and some voices give me good shivers, others not so much, despite the fact that the voice might be pure and technically brilliant. I love the voice of Callas, yet a lot of friends say they can't stand it.

Now here's a pure and beautiful voice I really love...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4NpWH140rI&feature=related

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RE: Edwynn's problem ... - 6/29/2011 10:22:25 AM   
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That link was very nice, Lady Constanze.

Some listeners are born with the 'impairment' of too good a sense of intonation, such as what Leonard Cohen, Bob Dylan, and believe it, some operatic singers lack.

The reason I can still listen to Cohen or Dylan for as much as three songs in succession (but not so with the opera singers) is because it involves a different part of my brain, where the extra sense of  intonation I was born with does not come into play quite as much. But even then, there is a limit.

Both operatic singers and classical musicians who lack good intonation try to cover it up by excessive vibrato, which such excess drives me up the wall even further. Dylan accepted the reality of his limitation early on and sang all over the place as part of the schtick. Thank goodness he didn't use vibrato qua vibrato.



BTW, I don't have a list of 'happy songs,' as I hope my prior post made clear; I cited the two songs in the OP for being exceptions in that regard.






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RE: Edwynn's problem ... - 6/29/2011 10:37:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		I honestly can't say what I like about a voice or what I don't like about one, I guess it's a certain timbre or character in it that resonates well with me, I'm all over the shop when it comes to music I like, I love good lyrics and I always found that Dylan's voice works well with his lyrics.

What makes a song a happy song is usually something where I can hop around and do cleaning, something that makes me feel energetic, so for cleaning purposes (an activity I hate but it's needed) I have a bunch of rock and melodic punk (Bad Religion, Green Day, Rolling Stones, Billy Bragg, etc.)

Oddly enough I could always tell if n album or a band would sell, even if I hated the music with a passion, came in handy when working as a music journo, made it a lot easier to decide if the interview was worth my while or not ;)

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RE: Edwynn's problem ... - 6/29/2011 10:54:54 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze


Oddly enough I could always tell if n album or a band would sell, even if I hated the music with a passion, came in handy when working as a music journo, made it a lot easier to decide if the interview was worth my while or not ;)



That is funny, Lady C.

When I first heard Led Zep IV and heard 'Stairway to Heaven' the first time, I said to myself; "nice song, enjoy it while you can; by ten years from now this will have been played 50 bazillion times."

Even if I 'might' like the song, it is a stillbirth for me when I know upon first listen how much this is going to be overplayed.

When I first heard "Sultans of Swing" on the radio, I literally banged my head on the steering wheel and said - "oh f**k!, two years of this, non-stop!" On the first listen.






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RE: Edwynn's problem ... - 6/29/2011 11:19:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		Led Zep was way way before my time, though the problem with it are the self-indulgent guitar solos, Page can play, we all know that, we don't have to be reminded for 10 minutes solid, a few years ago they did the reunion gig in the 02 arena, I mean yeah some great songs and we know you can play, I could have sworn that Stairway lasted for an hour or so, but when you're bored time seems to go so much slower...

Now let me ask you, what were your feelings when you heard Glycerine for the first time?

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RE: Edwynn's problem ... - 6/29/2011 11:44:17 AM   
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You didn't even mention the name of the band, thanks for making me take an extra 20 seconds to dig that out.

I hope you understand the facetious humour  in that.

Here is the problem with "Ed's brain."

When I was 5-12 years old, (I bought the first album at age 7), I heard things somewhat like everybody else. The first impression, the voice, etc. is what sold me or not.

I am somewhat more into classical music now, and no small part of that is that it is not immediately apparent what the key or the chord progression is.


What I heard from the youtube link I found on the song you referenced (Glycerine) is that it is a I-V-VI-IV progression, in the key of F Major. That's my first five seconds on most any popular music. But it is still a neat song. I just wish I had a magic switch to turn the rest of this crap off.

Once something is put to the sung voice, I can't even understand the words anymore, true then as now.

So I understand why the underlying 'gospel' might cause trouble for some, since they actually listen to the words. I have to force myself to hear these words as words, when in presentation of music, which mentally takes over every other process in my listening.






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RE: Edwynn's problem ... - 6/29/2011 1:26:32 PM   
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RE: Edwynn's problem ... - 6/29/2011 1:27:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

heh.. I was always a stagehand/transpo/ or lighting geek.. the sound shit was always beyond me..

although, I do appreciate a sound guy that doesnt get nicknamed SPIKE!!  LOL


Darn GT, we might have actually graced butts when bumping into each other years ago.

You know how it is on either set-up or strike. Nobody knows anybody, but closest of friends for five-to-forty minutes at a time.

I'm not sure if it was Kiss or U2, but somebody in there came up with these 'bass cannons,' that is, eight subwoofer cabinets a side, two 18 drivers per enclosure.

That is 32 total 18 inch drivers doing the greatest  damage to human hearing, for those counting.

Damn right I'm out of that business, and good to be rid of it.






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RE: Edwynn's problem ... - 6/29/2011 1:53:47 PM   
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Possibly the gospel song appeals better to those who are Christian. Which not all of us here happen to be.


Nor was I, either at that time or now, which pains as to address that issue on my part apparently flew over some heads here.


Look, either get into the discussion as it exists or STFU.







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RE: Edwynn's problem ... - 6/29/2011 2:17:43 PM   
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i didn't particularly hear that, sorry. there was more of that in the 2nd melanie clip i think.

the christian reference was for marini. she's a christian so i thought she might fucking appreciate a song with an somewhat inspirational message that could be interpreted in a christian context. to me the fucking lyrics of that song has always made me think its about being born again.


Thank you very much, Hannah.

Ed has a problem understanding the words, or their meaning, once the music starts.

Had this discussion with my literary sister over the years.

We heard the same song and got such completely different things out of it.



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RE: Edwynn's problem ... - 6/29/2011 5:23:27 PM   
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Now let me ask you, what were your feelings when you heard Glycerine for the first time?



Hey, it's not as though I don't keep up.

I learned Incubus' third album, note for note, start to finish, because that's what my niece wanted at the time.

Of course that was five years ago and she has since dumped that band, and any interest in guitar or piano she was learning at the time  (and she was better than half-decent at both, but dropped like a stone nonetheless). It was still fun making her and her friends' jaws drop the first time I played it for them.

But she has a good mind now, don't ask me what any of the aforementioned had anything to do or not with that.




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