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New Study Finds Direct Link Between Vaccines and Infant... - 6/23/2011 8:30:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		New Study Finds Direct Link Between Vaccines and Infant Mortality A shocking new study published in a prestigious medical journal has found a direct statistical link between higher vaccine doses and infant mortality rates in the developed world, suggesting that the increasing number of inoculations being forced upon children by medical authorities, particularly in the United States which administers the highest number of vaccines and also has the highest number of infant deaths, is in fact having a detrimental impact on health.
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RE: New Study Finds Direct Link Between Vaccines and In... - 6/23/2011 8:32:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am going to dismiss the study without reading the thing.  Nothing with shocking or other hyperslobberistic words in the title is worth my time.  I know, I used to owe alotta money to the shopping channel. 

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RE: New Study Finds Direct Link Between Vaccines and In... - 6/23/2011 8:35:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		They just got done telling us to have less children- because it pollutes too much.  So  might they help us along some in their stated goal?

Yup.

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RE: New Study Finds Direct Link Between Vaccines and In... - 6/23/2011 8:41:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		Nope. The correlation is done by rank ordering the countries, not by plotting inoculation rates directly versus mortality rates. As such, the correlation is not legitimately statistical as claimed in the article.

A bonus in the article is the claim that Bill Gates is actively seeking to have 10%-15% of the developing world's children killed by excess immunizations because he's evil.

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RE: New Study Finds Direct Link Between Vaccines and In... - 6/23/2011 8:55:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		The thing about vaccines is, without them, a HELL of a lot more people die.

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New Study Finds Direct Link Between Regular readers of ... - 6/23/2011 8:58:57 AM   
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RE: New Study Finds Direct Link Between Vaccines and In... - 6/23/2011 9:01:52 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

Nope. The correlation is done by rank ordering the countries, not by plotting inoculation rates directly versus mortality rates. As such, the correlation is not legitimately statistical as claimed in the article.

A bonus in the article is the claim that Bill Gates is actively seeking to have 10%-15% of the developing world's children killed by excess immunizations because he's evil.



Fair enough.   Thank you for reading the link.    Studies can be stacked- no doubt there.

I do think tho- with vaccines- some are ok- but there is a point of saturation...and they could be a detriment.




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RE: New Study Finds Direct Link Between Vaccines and In... - 6/23/2011 9:09:58 AM   
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RE: New Study Finds Direct Link Between Vaccines and In... - 6/23/2011 9:25:17 AM   
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next week we will examine Lydon Larouche.

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RE: New Study Finds Direct Link Between Vaccines and In... - 6/23/2011 9:32:17 AM   
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I see he's resumed his hobby of starting inane paranoid schizo threads in P&R again. I thought that had been taken care of.

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RE: New Study Finds Direct Link Between Vaccines and In... - 6/23/2011 9:44:15 AM   
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RE: New Study Finds Direct Link Between Vaccines and In... - 6/23/2011 9:45:44 AM   
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Where is "Random Stupidity" when you really need it?

There is absolutely nothing random about it.


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RE: New Study Finds Direct Link Between Vaccines and In... - 6/23/2011 9:49:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		The study is farce.

It ranks only the 33 countries with better infant mortality rates than the US and the US itself. It then compares that to how many doses of various vaccines are recommended or required by the government, apparently under the assumption that parents only get those vaccines recommended or required by their government.

They then ignore all other factors, availability of pre natal care, rates of premature birth, rates of low birth weight etc., and without controlling for those other factors this analysis is useless.

A little further research finds the authors are anti vax activists and do not seem to hold any credentials appropriate to this study.

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RE: New Study Finds Direct Link Between Vaccines and In... - 6/23/2011 9:51:38 AM   
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A little further research finds the authors are anti vax activists and do not seem to hold any credentials appropriate to this study.

"Friends of Viruses". eh?


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RE: New Study Finds Direct Link Between Vaccines and In... - 6/23/2011 9:52:20 AM   
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Just wondering, what are last years figures from the AMA about how many people are killed by prescription drugs and medical errors ? I was also wondering which is good for you this month, mercury, red meat and so forth.

I was thinking of using the sarcasm tag because I just don't believe anything anymore, but nah.

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RE: New Study Finds Direct Link Between Vaccines and In... - 6/23/2011 10:07:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		Our infant mortality rate is lower because our pregnant women arent getting prenatal care. If Alex truly cared, he would stop with the lies.


Dig into the sources, pahunk.

Neil Z. Miller is a medical research journalist and the Director of the Thinktwice Global Vaccine Institute.

Sounds good, doesnt it. Gives him credibility... Then you go to the Thinktwice web site. So, I poke around a lil bit, always good to know what sources a site like this believes are important...

http://www.thinktwice.com/s_mmr.htm

Wakefield, A.J., et al. "Evidence of persistent measles virus infection in Crohn's disease." Journal of Medical Virology 1993; 39:345-53.
Wakefield, A.J., et al. "Crohn's disease: pathogenesis and persistent measles virus infection." Gastroenterology 1995; 108:911-916.
Thompson, N.P., Wakefield, A.J, et al. "Is measles vaccination a risk factor for inflammatory bowel disease?" Lancet 1995; 345:1071-1074.

Why does that name seem familiar? Ah yes, the UK Doctor who had his medical license stripped for falsifying research, among other things.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Wakefield

If something of this magnitude were true, every MSM outlet would carry it, every Medical Journal would at least publish the press release.

Speaking of press releases...

http://pressroom.prlog.org/Miller_and_Goldman/

One article is listed there. The one Alex's article mentions. Nothing else on that page works, no other press releases? Click on the links to the right and all the links are dead links?

This is what I mean when I tell you to investigate what you read before posting it, pahunk. There is no valid basis to believe this article is true in any way.



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