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Back2theFuture -> RE: Referring to people as objects. (6/19/2011 7:13:55 AM)
From personal experience Dommes suffer from maternal instincts, and are more susceptible to their emotions and find it hard to do somethings to a person whom they may have become attached to. So there dehumanize and objectify their subs not only as a form of humiliation by as a way for them to handle the psychological barriers of harming someone precious to them. The aspects of Objectifaction as a fetish are a bit more complex than that. While they may call and treat their subs like objects they do actually see them as people.

GreedyTop -> RE: Referring to people as objects. (6/19/2011 7:20:11 AM)
I just object to being verbally triviallized, personally.. IME, that leads to, at best, being marginalized (if not worse) This has been MY experience, and I am not saying it holds true in ANYONE ELSES experinces but mine (yay for disclaimers!!)

Augustana -> RE: Referring to people as objects. (6/19/2011 8:01:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LoveSparkie or the subs that are single that say things like "It is worthless and only here to be your cunt slave" ect..ect.. Like I said, I might just be too sensative but I want scream at these people sometimes. quote: ORIGINAL: GreedyTop I just object to being verbally triviallized, personally.. IME, that leads to, at best, being marginalized (if not worse) Here's the thing ... if the D type does it despite the wishes of the s type then its just the same as any other non-consensual part of a relationship. Its either something your sort out, or you decide to get out. I've been in Ds relationships where I was objectified - sometimes it was something we both wanted and pleased everyone thank you very much, once it was something he wanted and I didn't know better than to negotiate and it messed me up a bit, and once it was something that was agreed going in and though it worked for a while ultimately we put aside because we didn't need it as much as we thought we did. That said I was engaging in that behaviour as an intelligent, empowered, ambitious and independent young woman who has sorted out her self esteem issues and appreciated her own value regardless of what anyone else thought. Watching someone emotionally fragile being objectified is painful for me ... but is it for them? You often don't know what goes on behind the closed doors of a relationship. You wouldn't necessarily assume that a sub who had had the living daylights played out of them in a club would go home and be left uncared for. Likewise you can't assume that public objectification doesn't become a loving and attentive relationship behind closed doors.

LadyConstanze -> RE: Referring to people as objects. (6/19/2011 8:08:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LoveSparkie or the subs that are single that say things like "It is worthless and only here to be your cunt slave" ect..ect.. I'd pass them over because clearly we wouldn't be right for each other. Problem solved, if they find somebody who's into their kink, great for them, it just doesn't happen to be mine.

GreedyTop -> RE: Referring to people as objects. (6/19/2011 8:17:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Augustana quote: ORIGINAL: LoveSparkie or the subs that are single that say things like "It is worthless and only here to be your cunt slave" ect..ect.. Like I said, I might just be too sensative but I want scream at these people sometimes. quote: ORIGINAL: GreedyTop I just object to being verbally triviallized, personally.. IME, that leads to, at best, being marginalized (if not worse) Here's the thing ... if the D type does it despite the wishes of the s type then its just the same as any other non-consensual part of a relationship. Its either something your sort out, or you decide to get out. I've been in Ds relationships where I was objectified - sometimes it was something we both wanted and pleased everyone thank you very much, once it was something he wanted and I didn't know better than to negotiate and it messed me up a bit, and once it was something that was agreed going in and though it worked for a while ultimately we put aside because we didn't need it as much as we thought we did. That said I was engaging in that behaviour as an intelligent, empowered, ambitious and independent young woman who has sorted out her self esteem issues and appreciated her own value regardless of what anyone else thought. Watching someone emotionally fragile being objectified is painful for me ... but is it for them? You often don't know what goes on behind the closed doors of a relationship. You wouldn't necessarily assume that a sub who had had the living daylights played out of them in a club would go home and be left uncared for. Likewise you can't assume that public objectification doesn't become a loving and attentive relationship behind closed doors. so you missed the IN MY EXPERIENCE (IME) bit, as well as the quote: This has been MY experience, and I am not saying it holds true in ANYONE ELSES experinces but mine [/quote/ bit?

leadership527 -> RE: Referring to people as objects. (6/19/2011 8:17:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LoveSparkie Like I said, I might just be too sensative but I want scream at these people sometimes. No, you're not being too sensitive. You're being too parochial and too judgmental. There's a huge difference. In this case, what's going on is that you are applying YOUR sensibilities to someone else's relationship (theoretical or not) and so you are getting wrong answers. Then you're looking at your wrong answers and saying "well those suck" not even seeing how wrong it is to start with. I should imagine that there is a HUGE raft of folks, not just vanilla ones but BDSM people also, that would really object to Carol being my property. They'd be foolishly wrong for the same reasons you are... wrong sensibilities leading to wrong interpretations leading to wrong conclusions leading to judgement based on nothing.

Augustana -> RE: Referring to people as objects. (6/19/2011 8:23:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GreedyTop quote: ORIGINAL: Augustana quote: ORIGINAL: LoveSparkie or the subs that are single that say things like "It is worthless and only here to be your cunt slave" ect..ect.. Like I said, I might just be too sensative but I want scream at these people sometimes. quote: ORIGINAL: GreedyTop I just object to being verbally triviallized, personally.. IME, that leads to, at best, being marginalized (if not worse) Here's the thing ... if the D type does it despite the wishes of the s type then its just the same as any other non-consensual part of a relationship. Its either something your sort out, or you decide to get out. I've been in Ds relationships where I was objectified - sometimes it was something we both wanted and pleased everyone thank you very much, once it was something he wanted and I didn't know better than to negotiate and it messed me up a bit, and once it was something that was agreed going in and though it worked for a while ultimately we put aside because we didn't need it as much as we thought we did. That said I was engaging in that behaviour as an intelligent, empowered, ambitious and independent young woman who has sorted out her self esteem issues and appreciated her own value regardless of what anyone else thought. Watching someone emotionally fragile being objectified is painful for me ... but is it for them? You often don't know what goes on behind the closed doors of a relationship. You wouldn't necessarily assume that a sub who had had the living daylights played out of them in a club would go home and be left uncared for. Likewise you can't assume that public objectification doesn't become a loving and attentive relationship behind closed doors. so you missed the IN MY EXPERIENCE (IME) bit, as well as the quote: This has been MY experience, and I am not saying it holds true in ANYONE ELSES experinces but mine [/quote/ bit? Apologies ... that was an utter quote fail! ... I was aiming to only put in your bit about the in your experiences! As in No offence intended at all, sincerest apologies for my mistake.

GreedyTop -> RE: Referring to people as objects. (6/19/2011 8:26:21 AM)
not a problem. :)

kalikshama -> RE: Referring to people as objects. (6/19/2011 8:55:08 AM)
quote: Example: The doms that say "It will serve me whenever I please. It will have no say in what goes on. It will please my friends when I say if I so choose." ect ect.. Just think of it as an excellent time saving screening device for you :)

Sunny27 -> RE: Referring to people as objects. (6/19/2011 9:41:01 AM)
To Dark Steven, In bilogy class it's said that men have an X and Y chromosome and that women have 2 X chromosomes these chromosomes determine the sex of the baby they will have ie the man can pregante the woman with either an X/Y chromosome! Either way the woman can still have either a girl or boy!Hope that helps!

GreedyTop -> RE: Referring to people as objects. (6/19/2011 10:38:20 AM)
blink

myotherself -> RE: Referring to people as objects. (6/19/2011 10:42:18 AM)
blink blink dammit - THAT'S why I failed biology 101! [8\|]

GreedyTop -> RE: Referring to people as objects. (6/19/2011 10:43:11 AM)
whew!! it wasnt just me!!

Back2theFuture -> RE: Referring to people as objects. (6/19/2011 10:45:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sunny27 To Dark Steven, In bilogy class it's said that men have an X and Y chromosome and that women have 2 X chromosomes these chromosomes determine the sex of the baby they will have ie the man can pregante the woman with either an X/Y chromosome! Either way the woman can still have either a girl or boy!Hope that helps! Someone please tell me I am not going batshit crazy and that this was just very random....

myotherself -> RE: Referring to people as objects. (6/19/2011 10:47:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Back2theFuture Someone please tell me I am not going batshit crazy and that this was just very random.... It's extremely random. But as for the not being batshit crazy...can't help you there! [:D]

GreedyTop -> RE: Referring to people as objects. (6/19/2011 10:47:17 AM)
no, not batshit crazy./ batshit crazy is randomly throwing monkeys ;)

Back2theFuture -> RE: Referring to people as objects. (6/19/2011 10:48:44 AM)
* randomly throws monkey at Greedy*

Iamsemisweet -> RE: Referring to people as objects. (6/19/2011 10:51:37 AM)
Being judgmental about others' sexual preferences, because one finds them objectionable, is the territory of the Religious Right. Ick. It is unhealthy to be so concerned about other peoples' love lifes. So, even if these Doms are living in a fantasy world, and even if, in your view, anyone who wants such a thing is somehow damaged, it really isn't anyone else's business but the people involved. In affairs of the heart, we all have to choose our own path.

SorceressJ -> RE: Referring to people as objects. (6/19/2011 10:54:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GreedyTop batshit crazy is randomly throwing monkeys ;) ::offers an anti-thrown-monkey agent for Greedy's protecshun:: [image]local://upfiles/1044097/251BDA3A7B5F4B5CA14C7D8BF4D045C4.jpg[/image]

Back2theFuture -> RE: Referring to people as objects. (6/19/2011 11:12:17 AM)
triumphant laugher She can't use that since she herself is a "Resident Flying Monkey". BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I win! randomly throws monkeys at everyone

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