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I suppose I see this as somewhat ironic, the man that has exploited so many women is in his old age the one that is vulnerable to exploitation. He is 85! Who knows how mentally competent he is to even handle his own affairs these days

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I suppose I see this as somewhat ironic, the man that has exploited so many women is in his old age the one that is vulnerable to exploitation. He is 85! Who knows how mentally competent he is to even handle his own affairs these days

Maybe he has an entourage, an agent, a publicist and so forth.

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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I suppose I see this as somewhat ironic, the man that has exploited so many women is in his old age the one that is vulnerable to exploitation. He is 85! Who knows how mentally competent he is to even handle his own affairs these days

Maybe he has an entourage, an agent, a publicist and so forth.

I do not know if those people are the appropriate people to negotiate a marriage for him.

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ORIGINAL: FullCircle

If she wanted to exploit the guy then surely a divorce works better after a marriage?

Maybe they wanted her to sign a bit of paper saying she couldn't have half his assets. She also could have played the long game i.e. wait five minutes for him to die of old age and then play the distraught widow.

She had options now she just has the taste of Polygrip stuck in her mouth.

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I suppose I see this as somewhat ironic, the man that has exploited so many women is in his old age the one that is vulnerable to exploitation. He is 85! Who knows how mentally competent he is to even handle his own affairs these days

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Hugh Hefner is a well known long time feminist.  Those girls wanted to pose in his magazine.  Given that FACT, he isn't exploiting them.  There was a market for a product and he provided it.  He isn't Bob Guccione with Penthouse or Larry Flynt with Hustler.  His magazine doesn't present women in the same way they do.  And again, these women WANT to be in the magazine so they aren't being exploited. 

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ex·ploit2    
[ik-sploit] Show IPA
–verb (used with object)
1.
to utilize, especially for profit; turn to practical account: to exploit a business opportunity.
2.
to use selfishly for one's own ends: employers who exploit their workers.
3.
to advance or further through exploitation; promote: He exploited his new movie through a series of guest appearances.

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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Hugh Hefner is a well known long time feminist.  Those girls wanted to pose in his magazine.  Given that FACT, he isn't exploiting them.  There was a market for a product and he provided it.  He isn't Bob Guccione with Penthouse or Larry Flynt with Hustler.  His magazine doesn't present women in the same way they do.  And again, these women WANT to be in the magazine so they aren't being exploited. 

This depends on how one wants to define "exploit"

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ex·ploit2    
[ik-sploit] Show IPA
–verb (used with object)
1.
to utilize, especially for profit; turn to practical account: to exploit a business opportunity.
2.
to use selfishly for one's own ends: employers who exploit their workers.
3.
to advance or further through exploitation; promote: He exploited his new movie through a series of guest appearances.

Now I would never wanna dog on Hef. In my eyes he at least used women in the first category of "exploit", and he did a little of the second part of that definition, too.

I am not really into fighting about this man. He is a senior citizen, he isn't evil or anything. And I do not believe he I have demonized him on this thread. If you wanna create drama tonight, do it on someone else's time.

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Look, by those definitions everyone in business exploits everyone else. 

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The problem with your definitions is that it leaves out that these women were paid quite well for their pictures. I would agree they were exploited if they were paid $500 to him making 5 million, but it isn't like that.

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By your definition, every stripper, escort and employee of the bunny ranch in Vegas is being exploited, because the stripper may have to pay something to the venue, the escort to the agency who employs her gets their cut and the girls at the bunny ranch pay rent for the space.

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I suppose I see this as somewhat ironic, the man that has exploited so many women is in his old age the one that is vulnerable to exploitation.

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  He also managed to provide an example of how happy poly relationships exist.

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but seriously...happy poly relationships? do you honestly think his relationship with those girls all in his house was *real*? it was a tv show that made money and sold magazines and dvds as tie-ins. and his reputation with past "poly" relationships...all served as publicity.

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twenty year old hot women don't want to hang out with an 80 year old man. they want the fame and money he can provide to them and he wants the reputation of being a ladies man.

my thoughts tend toward the opinion that the "runaway bride" was a publicity stunt in itself...that they were never going to actually get married. but then again, i'm a suspicious girl by nature.

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Money can't buy you love but it can buy you shit that looks so close to it you aint even gonna question it.

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I suppose I see this as somewhat ironic, the man that has exploited so many women is in his old age the one that is vulnerable to exploitation.

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  He also managed to provide an example of how happy poly relationships exist.

yeah, i disagree that he has ever exploited anyone. if women choose to exploit their own bodies for profit, then really...that's what feminism is all about.

but seriously...happy poly relationships? do you honestly think his relationship with those girls all in his house was *real*? it was a tv show that made money and sold magazines and dvds as tie-ins. and his reputation with past "poly" relationships...all served as publicity.

twenty year old hot women don't want to hang out with an 80 year old man. they want the fame and money he can provide to them and he wants the reputation of being a ladies man.

my thoughts tend toward the opinion that the "runaway bride" was a publicity stunt in itself...that they were never going to actually get married. but then again, i'm a suspicious girl by nature.

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I suppose I see this as somewhat ironic, the man that has exploited so many women is in his old age the one that is vulnerable to exploitation.

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He also managed to provide an example of how happy poly relationships exist.

yeah, i disagree that he has ever exploited anyone. if women choose to exploit their own bodies for profit, then really...that's what feminism is all about.

but seriously...happy poly relationships? do you honestly think his relationship with those girls all in his house was *real*? it was a tv show that made money and sold magazines and dvds as tie-ins. and his reputation with past "poly" relationships...all served as publicity.

twenty year old hot women don't want to hang out with an 80 year old man. they want the fame and money he can provide to them and he wants the reputation of being a ladies man.

my thoughts tend toward the opinion that the "runaway bride" was a publicity stunt in itself...that they were never going to actually get married. but then again, i'm a suspicious girl by nature.

Oh give me a break when it comes to the "exploitation" of women in Playboy, you do know how much they pay? When I was 19 I stripped off for them and it enabled me to pursue a PhD, I still had to work but the money I got from this 3 day shot was enough to see me through most of my studies and I could study in various different countries (with grants from the universities) and it made me life a lot easier to have a bit of a financial padding when it came to buying books versus trying to get them from the library where they never had enough. The only backlash that ever occurred was that I found out that my dad was a subscriber (and he was not best pleased) and years later when I wrote and edited for the magazine and mentioned it to a bunch of colleagues over a boozy lunch that it's funny 10 years ago... and now writing for them. Next thing I know is the janitor telling me that my colleagues are all going through the old editions in the archive... Duh, well...

I can tell you that I felt much much more exploited in the minimum wage waitress jobs I also had as a student, where I had to smile and be nice to leering old men to get tipped than the photo shoot in a very professional atmosphere where the photographer, lighting guys and makeup person were friendly, professional and rather nice. Did I feel exploited by taking my clothes off? Fuck no, I'm European and I'm used to clothing optional beaches, I got paid for showing what I was showing for free when I was going swimming or sun bathing. Playboy has no "spread your legs" shots that display the tonsils from the wrong side up, I wouldn't call the pictures art and I was fully aware that a bunch of guys would make the pages stick together, big fucking deal, they're not getting spunk on me, I mean should I be paranoid that a guy sees me in a bar, finds me sexually attractive and will go home and has a wank while thinking of me? No way, too busy having a sex life myself, it's not like they are actually touching me.

So this whole bloody claptrap about how women get exploited by Playboy because they let themselves be exploited, how about you safe that for women who are really exploited? You know in minimum wage jobs and stuff...

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You mean you don't want to leer at the pics, you just want to know how I looked almost 2 decades ago? Tell you what, even without thinking about the flattering angles and the airbrushing they did (I have to remind myself of that to keep depression at bay, oh and the freaking wonders they did with clear 2 sided tape, fucking amazing) it's depressing, I take good care of my body as it's the only one I got and spare parts are hard to come by, but yeah, not possible to stop time and despite my best efforts at the gym, my tits simply don't proudly defy gravity anymore, I have to <sob sob> wear a bra and what came effortlessly now requires maintenance, i.e. going to the gym.

Still, I didn't feel exploited for a moment, working in bars and restaurants where the patrons thought they could make comments and brush your ass casually - that felt a lot more like exploitation!