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DavidLee44UK -> RE: Qualifications (6/15/2011 9:03:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven quote: ORIGINAL: Muttling In addition to being important to have the paper, you have to understand what is going on in human resources these days. They have gotten extremely good at attracting lots of applicants, gone are the days when you only had 5 or 10 applicants for a skilled position. HR is setting up criteria that lets then trash most of the applications they get so they can boil it down to 10 or so applicants. If you don't meet ALL of the requirements, your application won't make it through the first cut and they don't have time to pick through for ones with experience that might be equal to the certification requirements. Which brings up the concept of the two column cover letter. It reads like: I am applying for the Data Analyst position. I meet your requirements as follows: Your requirement My qualification Bachelor's degree in Engineering or Business Bachelor's degree in Mechanical Engineering Three years of experience in data analysis Eight years of experience in data analysis etc. This makes it VERY easy for some HS graduate HR screener with no concept of the position and very little time to see how well you meet the requirements. He or she can scan your qualifications in seconds. prob is there isnt gonna be a need for big corporations to have big servers in 4/5 years time it will all be run virtually the desktop support role will vanish as there wont be a desktop to support you can have the best letter in world have qualifications everywhere but if companies dont need them there useless

lizi -> RE: Qualifications (6/15/2011 11:43:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven JohnSteed, while I agree with Hannah here, I would add something. You made a post a while back angry about how your employer didn't value you, and saying that companies don't value employees any more. Similarly, your current post is how companies don't value your capabilities and background. And how they're wrong to want the things they do. Cut that out. Look at companies as being the entities that could offer you a job. And be GRATEFUL for that possibility. Quit thinking of yourself as some computer genius that companies could worship. Your attitude is blocking you more than the lack of certs is. I completely agree with this. When I read this current thread the first thing I remembered was how upset you were in a previous thread about your employer. You seemed to feel entitled to something then, and you seem to think you should be given special dispension now. That attitude really won't get you anywhere. We're not here to judge what is fair and unfair in a situation where we don't call the shots. You accept it and do what they want, or move on - those are your only choices. If people who don't know you are picking up on the attitude over the internet there's a good chance that you're projecting it in real life as well. Or not, I can't really say, but honestly I think you should get with the program and do what you need to do to be employed in a decent job while not pointing fingers at all of the injustices that you perceive to be out there. Even if you are right about something your opinion doesn't mean squat when you're not calling the shots. You don't mean much, they'll take the next applicant instead. Instead of wasting your efforts fighting things that you won't win, why not be smart and go forth and do what you need to do to get what you want. It's an employers right to hire whoever they want, so be the person they want. Everyone runs into crap wherever. Some guy hit my car today, oh well....I'll have to pay money out of my own pocket for his mistake and there's nothing, nada, to be done about it. If you need to suck up some injustices in the work world then go learn to be a vacuum and get to it. That's how the world is. You don't get to dictate your terms, you accept theirs or risk not having a job. If a loved one came to me all indignant about the fact that they weren't being recognized as a special snowflake out in the work world I'd tell them to open their mouth and start sucking it up or be unemployed. There's a big chance that you'll dismiss what I had to say as being rude or as something that has no bearing on your job hunting issues. That's your perogative. I do hope though that you may look at things and see if there is any truth here. I do wish you luck and hope you find a job that makes you happy.

LadyConstanze -> RE: Qualifications (6/15/2011 11:48:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DavidLee44UK prob is there isnt gonna be a need for big corporations to have big servers in 4/5 years time it will all be run virtually the desktop support role will vanish as there wont be a desktop to support you can have the best letter in world have qualifications everywhere but if companies dont need them there useless Can you explain how something will run virtually without a server? How are people going to do their work without desktops? They might have laptops but even a laptop has a desktop... There will always be hardware and software, and both will need support... Sheesh...

LadyConstanze -> RE: Qualifications (6/15/2011 11:54:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterJohnSteed If I had that kind of background and education I would be working for a video game designer or a security firm, not messing around doing help desk work. So, the rhetorical question I have to ask, is if you put up an ad like that, do you have the sense to scratch your own balls? As one recruiter has already told me, most of these companies, don't know what they want so they go and demand more than they need. I've seen the standard "you must have A+ certification" but here's the thing, If I've been doing this for a provable ten years, and have at least 17 years of hands on experience. How does that not qualify for more than an A+ or a Bachelor's degree. If you work in games (a few of my friends do), you earn very little unless you really work your way up and come up with brilliant new inventions, games don't pay well and security companies tend to prefer true Jedis -though they are the ones who don't care much about degrees but what you can do. Well, if you got the choice of getting somebody who's higher qualified because the market will support it, of course you can ask for it, as that person then possibly will be able to do more and they get more out of the person. Quite a few computer companies don't really care much for degrees, especially the small start ups with wizzkids, but the wages aren't all that great and the guys just live for programming, I mean stereotypical nerds and geeks who aren't interested in anything if it's not a gadget...

DavidLee44UK -> RE: Qualifications (6/15/2011 1:23:30 PM)
google chrome books are just gonna be basic screens to connect to the cloud/internet 8 seconds and your online no virus checkers no drivers microsof ft have office live at moment which u can run from windows phone the browser everything on the net applications will run virtually i have various virtual machines on my home made pc its like a piece software you run it and exit it but it acts like a machine i have a server and 10 workstations run virtually if you lease space say from amazon then you can run virtual applications over net it looks and acts like windows etc but its not gonna happen in business as well then you have the icloud the same sorta thing there i have a virtual mac running snow leopard on my pc no differences just not a real mac

LadyConstanze -> RE: Qualifications (6/15/2011 1:50:15 PM)
You still need the hardware and companies will need specialized programs and can't run everything on cloud, in fact most of the companies I'm dealing with are dead set against cloud due to confidentiality issues. I think Cloud is rather over-hyped right now, sounds brilliant at first but if you look at it from the side of a business, don't think it's going to happen soon and without some dramatic changes, there are security and confidentiality issues that they don't really announce. There will be hosting for quite a while, as a company, would you trust your sensitive information to be kept on cloud? I wouldn't like to be so transparent! There will be a lot of stuff available on cloud, but as a business I would not touch is, especially since server space costs next to nothing.

DavidLee44UK -> RE: Qualifications (6/16/2011 2:02:50 AM)
security i think that keeping data on a companies servers that can afford to have data center servers, fault redundancy and raid dp is better than keeping it on a personal hard disk its kinda like putting a million pounds in a banks bullet proof vault or a safe you bought for 50 pound

LadyConstanze -> RE: Qualifications (6/16/2011 5:29:03 AM)
Well, the issue for a lot of companies is rather trusting a secure server they control or a dedicated hosting company. Jira, Confluence and other specialized hosting (where the companies will want dedicated hosting with quick response time and a lot of control for the company) will be damned hard on cloud.

farglebargle -> RE: Qualifications (6/16/2011 5:36:23 AM)
Cloud is a shitty name for a nebulous concept.

Muttling -> RE: Qualifications (6/16/2011 5:44:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DavidLee44UK google chrome books are just gonna be basic screens to connect to the cloud/internet 8 seconds and your online no virus checkers no drivers microsof ft have office live at moment which u can run from windows phone It a fabulous concept that lives outside of the world of reality. This will go the exact same way that the Voice Over IP telephone fad has gone. A few will adopt it, but not many and especially not those operations that are technology critical. Many who do will abandon it the first time they loose internet access for a couple of hours and completely it shuts down their operations. Banks, businesses, government, etc....anyone with sensitive computer operations and data won't be using it. If you water treatment plant looses power or internet connection, the entire system will go down taking out a city's ability to supply water for showers and a little thing called a fire hydrant. They have generator back ups and uninterpretable power supplies on their computers for a reason. I'm a teacher, if I loose my computer I'm screwed because I'm technology heavy. I can easily run without internet because I make sure my desktop has everything local. If I relied on a cloud server it would be impossible to teach because internet isn't reliable enough in our area.

LadyConstanze -> RE: Qualifications (6/16/2011 5:56:46 AM)
To be honest, I think VOIP will become stronger, but the way it was first presented with "It will replace all real phones" is not something that I can see happening in the near future. A few companies were quite into cloud when they first heard of it, but unfortunately the security issues left a lot to be desired. A bank who loses their server for just 30 minutes loses A LOT of money, astronomical sums, they are not going to trust a company they haven't hand picked with their sensitive data, their insurance would balk at that.

barelynangel -> RE: Qualifications (6/16/2011 6:20:40 AM)
You aren't in the position of being able to decide what companies should do to have you on their staff. The companies are the ones who can decide what they want from the person they are hiring. So you have a game of bargaining -- IF you want to work for that company, you need to either show them you meet their qualifications or show them you have the ability to do the job without their qualifications. The concept here is getting in the door. If all it would take is $150 to raise your credentials up to what they want, then why aren't you doing it? Companies don't owe you anything. You can do one of two things, get the qualification they are seeking and apply. Or try and apply without it and get an interview. However, i think you would have a double whammy with the fact you are saying people find out you have been fired from your other job. You may want to get the qualifications and figure out how to spin the job loss. Is it tough, yes, but unless you have been put in a position wherein a company wants YOU, so you are the one who could demand from the company to work for them -- they get to set the standards and qualifications they want from someone. Doesn't your field have organizations you can join that will help with networking? angel

kalikshama -> RE: Qualifications (6/16/2011 6:39:15 AM)
quote: I just got finished looking through a local website that listed tech jobs. There was one that basically was my job for the last seven years. But at the bottom of the ad, the company put :" Do not apply for this job unless you have a Bachelor's degree in computer science " . My company is never able to find IT people who meet all their requirements. Given an equally qualified pool of applicants, the degree is a helpful screening tool. We also look at how well people will fit into the team. We recently hired someone less qualified because we thought he'd be a better fit than the only two qualified candidates we were able to find in 4 months of searching. One was literally disqualified for "having a chip on his shoulder" and the other "weird." Apply to that job anyway. Also try the South Florida job market.

LadyConstanze -> RE: Qualifications (6/16/2011 6:41:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus I always presume they are going to check. Most companies do check references especially the higher up you climb the ladder the more thorough in their checks they tend to be, and even if they don't do it straight away, it's a reason for being immediately terminated if they find out, in some countries they can actually sue you.. Though with most job ads and qualifications they want, that is the ideal candidate, chances are they often don't get that, unless they specifically say it's a "must have", if you tick 80% of the boxes, chances are they will at least give you a look. But what the Bunny said, a lot of jobs, especially government jobs have really stupid requirements, I remember that for a while I taught English as a foreign language, the fact that I studied English up to PhD level, lived in English speaking countries for most of my adult life didn't count much, I needed a TEFL (Teaching English As A Foreign Language) certificate. I was actually pretty shocked how easy it is to get, but for some companies and schools it was "important"... If they specify that they want a certain piece of paper, well, you best get it if you want the job.

DavidLee44UK -> RE: Qualifications (6/16/2011 8:14:49 AM)
lol mutling my dads an ex teacher he kept apraised new things happening if you think that google will say hey a teacher doesn't like this lets not do it a teacher prepares kids for the world right you teach your kids to use windows 8, how to defrag a harddisk how to install toolbars on internet explorer another teacher teaches there kids about the cloud internet operating sytems im 100% positive that those kids will be the ones in the forefront and why do you use pcs like you do now because its how its been done upto now i used to work in a local college and cringed when the teacher held up a hard disk and told it was a floppy disk now im not saying your a bad teacher youre prob very good but closing eyes and saying wish the sky was pink isn't gonna make it so

LadyConstanze -> RE: Qualifications (6/16/2011 8:23:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DavidLee44UK closing eyes and saying wish the sky was pink isn't gonna make it so Exactly, so thinking everybody is going to jump on the Cloud thing - not going to happen! Have you talked to companies about it? They are trying to push it on everybody, but businesses aren't too keen, most universities don't trust it. Wouldn't you think if it was that relevant most of the colleges and universities specializing in computer science would be eager to use cloud? Only they don't seem to use it... It's very much a hype and you fell for the hype. Drawbacks are very simple and very obvious, if you store information on your HD you can access it anywhere, you just take the laptop with you, if you use cloud you are dependent on internet access. quote: i used to work in a local college and cringed when the teacher held up a hard disk and told it was a floppy disk Uhhh a COLLEGE? To my knowledge the UK like most other countries require teaching qualifications...

Muttling -> RE: Qualifications (6/16/2011 9:21:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze To be honest, I think VOIP will become stronger, but the way it was first presented with "It will replace all real phones" is not something that I can see happening in the near future. I'm with you, it's got a lot a great advantages for the business person who travels a great deal and needs to be able to plug into the company phone system from the internet. This said, I'm not aware of an hybrid systems on the market right now that would do that. I do know of several companies that tried and complete conversion. It was great day to day, but on those few days a year when loose internet they loose almost all of their ability to function.

Muttling -> RE: Qualifications (6/16/2011 9:27:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DavidLee44UK lol mutling my dads an ex teacher he kept apraised new things happening if you think that google will say hey a teacher doesn't like this lets not do it In my first career, I spent 15 years doing cleanup for the military as an engineer. I know technology from the practical applications side and the concept of maintaining mission readiness despite equipment failures. It's not enough to ask "how does this work when everything is going right", you also have to ask what happens when things go wrong. Do you this it is reasonable risk crashing an entire city's water distribution system because the PCs went to cloud servers and you lost internet connection?

LadyConstanze -> RE: Qualifications (6/16/2011 9:31:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Muttling I'm with you, it's got a lot a great advantages for the business person who travels a great deal and needs to be able to plug into the company phone system from the internet. This said, I'm not aware of an hybrid systems on the market right now that would do that. I do know of several companies that tried and complete conversion. It was great day to day, but on those few days a year when loose internet they loose almost all of their ability to function. There are 2 companies who went this way that I'm aware of, all with VOIP but for them it's easy as their whole staff also is on mobiles (most of them work from home), they had a few problems but the problems with day to day business is the quality issue and that the reception can be really bad. Trying to talk a client through a problem while you're breaking up frequently is not the most effective way to work.

Muttling -> RE: Qualifications (6/16/2011 9:43:10 AM)
quote: iness is the quality issue and that the reception can be really bad. Trying to talk a client through a problem while you're breaking up frequently is not the most e quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze quote: ORIGINAL: Muttling I'm with you, it's got a lot a great advantages for the business person who travels a great deal and needs to be able to plug into the company phone system from the internet. This said, I'm not aware of an hybrid systems on the market right now that would do that. I do know of several companies that tried and complete conversion. It was great day to day, but on those few days a year when loose internet they loose almost all of their ability to function. There are 2 companies who went this way that I'm aware of, all with VOIP but for them it's easy as their whole staff also is on mobiles (most of them work from home), they had a few problems but the problems with day to day business is the quality issue and that the reception can be really bad. Trying to talk a client through a problem while you're breaking up frequently is not the most effective way to work. I part time at an attorney's office and he went ALL VOIP. They had to work out some kinks but the reception is really good or them. The other nice thing is they can send all voice mails straight to e-mail as an MP3 and can have recorded telephone conversations do the same thing, making it very easy to save such records in a particular client's case file. The biggest problem is that when his server or his internet goes down, his entire office is in a standstill. They can't do anything and they loose clients because they can't answer incoming calls.

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