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Monetary policy/ How do we starve beast? - 5/15/2011 8:34:56 AM   
pahunkboy


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Status: offline 		I am disappointed that many here wont even TRY to look past the sound bite of Ron Paul.

I read his books.   I seen current and old interviews of him.  (email me if you want his books)

His basic premise- it let the individual control her own life.   His basic philosophy is decentralized decisions.

I sincerely think yous are doing yourself a dis-service by not taking Ron Paul seriously.

The sum of the parts is greater then the whole.   He is not bought off by corporate interests.

Consider how nothing has improved in the past 11 years.  We had GOP, and DEMs in power- the prez and the congress.

Ask yourself why this is?

Finger pointing will only go so far.   Anything to consume time- and energy which enhances CEO pay.

1.  Until the monetary system is fixed- no other problem is fixable.  Mark my words on this. Write it down.  PA said- no other problem is fixable (long term) until the monetary system is fixed.

2. The above is WHY we spend trillions on wars.   It is all to continue others using the dollar.  #1 is the reason why we had TARP, QE1, QE2, and will soon embark on QE3.

I know you want your ego to be right.   RP will not end programs.  Not in the way you think he will.

No one has a better comprehension of monetary policy then he has.

Funny thing-  early in the 1800s, and early 1900s-  the populace understood monetary policy.   Today people "vote" and get passionate per American Idol.

Now- let me tell you I like programs. I participate in programs.  I benefit by them.    So my position is someone like you.   

Rather then cheer lead for the flavor of the day pol guru-  look to the one who understands the real issue- of MONEY.


Unless money is fixed- no other problem can be fixed in the long run.

Suppose you think that is not needing to be fixed- somehow the elite 1% - gathered more of your wealth over the 11 year period.

So maybe they throw you $100 in food stamps.    Which taking $1000s from you- via higher prices of gas, food, electric, insurance, rxs, regulations- that trickle down from fed to state to county to local.
Seriously-  what does it cost you per year to run your household?  Now factor the money that is skimmed to the top.


The national debt can never ever be repaid.  The money is created- but the interest on that money is never created- hence it can never be satisfied.

For as excited at people get over sports and dancing with the stars- your life's work is more important. everything you ever worked for your entire life is riding on this.  Weather you have a mcmansion, or live on a friends couch.  It completely effects you.

Being that you have never known a world with out inflation,  with out mortgages on couches and toasters, you do not realize that life can be more abundant.

If you seriously study monetary history- you will see.

If anyone wants a PDF of Bob Chapmans news letter- send me your email address.

http://theinternationalforecaster.com/

   Inflation on commodities is going to be "exponential".   This means my meager silver stack- essentially will be a matter of me simply eating- and not buying another place.

Just about every crazy story you see in the news- is a psy op- to extend the fiat dollar.  Take the arrest of the IMF chief for making a hotel maid blow him.  The IMF is to meet to put into place the SDR- as a replacement of the dollar.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/dsk-rape-arrest-to-derail-global-currency-plan.html


This crowd on CM is not dumb.  It floors me that folks here are oblivious to Wiemar, and Argentina- and even US history of collapses.  You presume that a repeat of history can never happen to all so smart America.  Who so bold?   A smart people will learn from history and check others in that village to not relive the same mistakes.

For every one of us- there are 200 lawyers- in Washington working to strip you of your lifes work.
- the presidential campaign is merely a guy to fill the suit.

...in addition- there are those who go off on trigger words- like fed, GS, crown, Rothschild,  elite, and so forth. Does it really matter who the culprit is?  After all- an army of lawyers working 24-7 to take food off of YOUR table.  Where corporate interests- a non-human entity trumps your interests.

How does this all stop?

What is the answer?

Help me out here.

We can stop by not funding the beast.  vote with your money- your time- and your attention.   If no one buys ABC widget water- then guess what?   It starves the beast.  

You have to realize how dyer this predicament is.    That Goldman Sachs--  if they remain unpunished as in criminal charges-  that such could push this nation over the edge.  Lone wolf-    attacks on bankers will start...  Bernhard Goetz . It sparked a nationwide debate on vigilantism,    how can it end any other way?

Dont forget- the TARP bill--  the bills for the wars- have NOT been paid by you yet.

So how can you starve a beast?

Join a credit union.    If you need help on finding one- email me.  I will find one for you.

http://www.asmarterchoice.org/Find_a_Credit_Union_96.html


So lets hear your ideas for starving the beast.


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RE: Monetary policy/ How do we starve beast? - 5/15/2011 11:16:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		First seize all property owned by Ron and Rand Paul supporters. Auction it off. Use proceeds to pay down the debt.

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RE: Monetary policy/ How do we starve beast? - 5/15/2011 11:18:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		as long as more and more people have some check from the government, we will not turn this tide, and a tide is a comin' my friends. Walker is trying in Wisconsin. Many other brave ones in the states are trying. But as long as the donkey knows he can pay for votes using the producers money, this will continue. As long as o'dumbo lets more and more poor people get loans they do not qualify for, we will have problems.

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RE: Monetary policy/ How do we starve beast? - 5/15/2011 12:39:43 PM   
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RE: Monetary policy/ How do we starve beast? - 5/15/2011 8:43:06 PM   
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Monetary policy/ How do we starve beast?


Why starve the beast, and force its servants to suffer even more during its slow death?

The monetary system was a very useful system that made good sense when technology was limited, and resources were perceived as unlimited. But things are very different today.

Why not give the monetary system an expedient and dignified death instead, and evolve as a species?

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RE: Monetary policy/ How do we starve beast? - 5/15/2011 8:48:31 PM   
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PA said- no other problem is fixable (long term) until the monetary system is fixed.


Try again. The monetary system does exactly what it's designed to do, and well.

Nothing but your fantasy ties it to the problems as you claim.

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RE: Monetary policy/ How do we starve beast? - 5/16/2011 4:21:05 AM   
Termyn8or


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Status: offline 		"Try again. The monetary system does exactly what it's designed to do, and well."

You FIRST ! You're dammned right it does. Alright Mystery Man, I don't know exactly where your horse is in this race but I'm starting to get a pretty good idea. Let me tell you something, ANYONE who makes money but produces nothing is a tax, otherwise known as a burden or encumberment on society by wrongfully taking from those who DO produce something. Something of value. The suits who make millions buying and selling pieces of our lives are the fucking scum of the Earth. They are worse than the laziest welfare mother in the world, the most untrustworthy crack addict, worse than Bin Laden could ever hope to be, WAAAAY worse than Hitler, who did a hell of alot more for his country than ANY US citizen has ever done for anyone.

"Why starve the beast, and force its servants to suffer even more during its slow death? "

NEXT. They are doing that anyway. It's time for this shit to change. These fucking moneychangers are strangling the common people, whose sweat blood and tears made them rich in the first fucking place. We don't want you money, we want MINE. I prefer fast torture opposed to slow torture. That also refers to nuclear fuission by the way.

"Word tax. £10 per written word."

I would tell you to shut the fuck up, but that is not within myu authorty. However since you mentioned it, that'll be fifty pounds.

"as long as more and more people have some check from the government, we will not turn this tide"

You know AZ you really came off as an asshole in the past, but sometimes you are right. People bitch and moan about government intervention, the loss of rights and all that shit, while getting fucking welfare. You know what ? The OP is a check person. Isn't that just dandy ? Don't pay the fucking taxes, collect them. From where I sit, certain people should not be bitching about Goldsacks and shit unless they got a fucking J O B. Fuckers are so disabled they need our help, yet they build garages and houses and do all kinds of landscaping, and maybe even build racecars.; But they'e disabled because they are crazy. Damn, I should play that game. The thing SS sends out from time to time says I could get almost a grand a month if I became disabled. Fuck man, why do I even bother trying to do anything constructive. Why do I research and learn so that I can continue to work and be productive ? What the fuck is wrong with me ?

"First seize all property owned by Ron and Rand Paul supporters. Auction it off. Use proceeds to pay down the debt."

Eat shit. What the fuck did they ever do to you ? Oh, they don't want to spend my tax dollars to keep your ___________ ass alive. Too fucking bad. Find me in the Constitution whetre you have the right to my money. Sure you have the right to live, but I didn't notice anything about who has to pay for it. When they drop your health insurance, and they WILL, sorry. Not my fault, I didn't make this shit cost a million dollars for a half hour of their time and fifteen cents worth of catgut. And I didn't make a medical education cost a fucking hundred thousand bucks either. You like the system, live with it. Oops, live with it until THEY decide it's time for you to die with it.

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Hunky I ain't even going to quote you. You know goddammned well where your money comes from. If you were a dog I would shoot you because you bite the hand that feeds you LITERALLY. In my world if someone is crazy we kill them, not give them a fucking check.

Happy now ? You got it straight from the Terminator's mouth. Get a life, get a job. Get something. I might not be a pot or a kettle, but I am the Blackest fucking Polok you'll ever meet.

T^T

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RE: Monetary policy/ How do we starve beast? - 5/16/2011 4:32:29 AM   
Musicmystery


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"Try again. The monetary system does exactly what it's designed to do, and well."

You FIRST ! You're dammned right it does. Alright Mystery Man, I don't know exactly where your horse is in this race but I'm starting to get a pretty good idea. Let me tell you something, ANYONE who makes money but produces nothing is a tax, otherwise known as a burden or encumberment on society by wrongfully taking from those who DO produce something. Something of value. The suits who make millions buying and selling pieces of our lives are the fucking scum of the Earth. They are worse than the laziest welfare mother in the world, the most untrustworthy crack addict, worse than Bin Laden could ever hope to be, WAAAAY worse than Hitler, who did a hell of alot more for his country than ANY US citizen has ever done for anyone.


Sure. NONE of what you're talking about has anything to do with the monetary system.

Your beef is with economic policy and the accumulation of wealth under pure capitalist approaches. You have a pretty skewed understanding of those too, but the point is, they have nothing to do with monetary policy. Nothing. Pahb could realize everyone one of his silly wet dreams, eliminating the Fed, backing currency with gold/silver, and nothing in your rant would change. Nothing. Why? Because none of it has anything to do with monetary policy.


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RE: Monetary policy/ How do we starve beast? - 5/16/2011 4:59:04 AM   
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Monetary policy relies on what ? Money right ?

I think I have an idea where Hunky was going with this, but who the hell knows these days. Starve the beast ? We are not talking actions of the fed here, there are about 300 million of us. At a buck apiece that is a hell of alot of purchacing power. Now on what does income depend ? Sales. It's been said that nothing happens until something is sold. If you extend that to ideas, it looks pretty true huh ?

So how about this idea. We all don't buy anything. What happens to your wonderful stocks and bonds then ? Of course we can't just buy nothing at all, we have to eat of course. But you remember the thread where it was mentioned that you can't eat an ipad ? Well I believe we are seeing the backflash (whatever) from that. Disposable income is way down in this country, all but the most ignorant know that. So what is happeneing ? The cost of necessities is going up.

Case in point. Years ago deisel fuel was always cheaper than gasoline. Whatever caused that situation has not changed. What, the oil is different now ? The hell it is, we send the boys out to plunder to get the light sweet stuff. Much more easily refinable, but not easy enough to do in the US, but that is another point. Now look at deisel fuel. It is now higher than gas. You know why ? Well you go down to the gas sttion and fill up your Yugo or whatever, you can go to work, the bank, the store. You can also go to Disneyland. But you have a choice whether or not you go to Disneyland. You might decide it costs too much and stay home, and jam some tunes, opting for ten bucks worth of beer, or steaks, or ribs, whatever. Deisel fuel runs big trucks. Everything you buy comes in on a truck, even your truck. They must run and the drivers, companies or whatever have no fucking choice but to buy it. That's called a captive market and is one of the most lucrative things going if you want to plunder an economy.

How about that red gas ? Red gas is deisel fuel with dye in it. It goes into reefer units (not pot, refrigeration) on truck trailers. They bring you your FOOD. If you are caught running the truck off of red gas, you would be better off going on a tri state killing spree. Why ? I mean even if you run out of fuel, you must freeze and starve rather than using this red gas. That's because the road use taxes haven't been paid on it.

Now if course you're going to say that it's fine, and fair. And we shouldn't care. But every step of the way someone has their dirty little fingers in everybody's pies.

I, for one have about had it with this shit. I would leave this wreck of a once great nation but these leeches, these parasites, are all over the world. This country was founded to get away from them, but they followed quite quickly.

Times square, what day ?

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RE: Monetary policy/ How do we starve beast? - 5/16/2011 5:24:58 AM   
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Now if course you're going to say that it's fine, and fair. And we shouldn't care.


No, not at all. I'm going to say, again, that none of that has to do with monetary policy.


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RE: Monetary policy/ How do we starve beast? - 5/16/2011 6:14:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		Some good replies here (you) Term.   Inspiring debate is a good thing.


The Q on the flip side is how can we fatten/feed the beast?

I do see what we are in for.   Based on replies here- only a portion of the people even think we have a problem.  That the status quo is acceptable.


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RE: Monetary policy/ How do we starve beast? - 5/16/2011 6:18:50 AM   
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only a portion of the people even think we have a problem


You completely misunderstand the problem. It makes your choice of solutions screwy.

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RE: Monetary policy/ How do we starve beast? - 5/16/2011 7:14:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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only a portion of the people even think we have a problem


You completely misunderstand the problem. It makes your choice of solutions screwy.


Why are you choosing to glorify mediocrity?   You are denying yourself the probable increase in standard of living- by refusing to strive toward excellence.

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RE: Monetary policy/ How do we starve beast? - 5/16/2011 7:24:20 AM   
Musicmystery


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Status: offline 		And there's a perfect example of both how you simply don't understand and how you deliberately misrepresent.

One day, perhaps, it will occur to you that when you have to make up positions to attack them, then you're probably not in the right.

That realization may then start you on a path to excellence.

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RE: Monetary policy/ How do we starve beast? - 5/16/2011 7:26:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		^  more Americans are in poverty now- then 10 years ago.    More are jobless, homeless, and in debt.

And you think we should fatten the beast?

Re-read the OP.    You completely miss the points in it.

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RE: Monetary policy/ How do we starve beast? - 5/16/2011 7:35:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		And you completely miss that monetary policy is not the cause. In fact, you're unable to articulate a link.

No matter how many times you miss it.

Now, ill-advised fiscal policy for the past twelve years, along with poor regulation of financial markets and an over-reaching foreign policy of invasion and occupation...now you're talking.



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RE: Monetary policy/ How do we starve beast? - 5/16/2011 10:22:27 AM   
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Now, ill-advised fiscal policy for the past twelve years, along with poor regulation of financial markets and an over-reaching foreign policy of invasion and occupation...now you're talking.


The above factors result directly from the monetary system including wars. The current system has exposed itself as a Bonzi scam. Most Western governments are whores to the banking interest.  This is end game Fiat money systems inevitably reach. I agree with "Musicmystery" that theoretically the Fiat system could work under certain conditions, but in long term only in fantasy society. In practice the corruption is built into the system and it ends up in crises as proven. At the same time the whole US economy (not only financial system) is structurally screwed and Ron Paul correctly understands it.  Regrettably, fundamental reforms in such systems are practically near impossible and change will come through collapse. Most economic broadcasters are advising people to prepare for it.

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RE: Monetary policy/ How do we starve beast? - 5/16/2011 10:32:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		"I agree with "Musicmystery" that theoretically the Fiat system could work under certain conditions,"

I also agree that it could work. (it actually did for quite a while) But it is vulnerble to abuse. Therefore it has been abused. Human nature 101.

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RE: Monetary policy/ How do we starve beast? - 5/16/2011 7:47:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Fellow

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Now, ill-advised fiscal policy for the past twelve years, along with poor regulation of financial markets and an over-reaching foreign policy of invasion and occupation...now you're talking.


The above factors result directly from the monetary system including wars. The current system has exposed itself as a Bonzi scam. Most Western governments are whores to the banking interest.  This is end game Fiat money systems inevitably reach. I agree with "Musicmystery" that theoretically the Fiat system could work under certain conditions, but in long term only in fantasy society. In practice the corruption is built into the system and it ends up in crises as proven. At the same time the whole US economy (not only financial system) is structurally screwed and Ron Paul correctly understands it.  Regrettably, fundamental reforms in such systems are practically near impossible and change will come through collapse. Most economic broadcasters are advising people to prepare for it.


Here's how cause and effect arguments work...you explain the step by step process from cause to effect, demonstrating with evidence each step and how it works, thereby establishing the demonstrable link between cause and effect.

Not by making sweeping claims with no evidence or causal connection. That's the difference between points and make-believe.

All we need now is Rule to come along and explain why this is typical wherever circumcision is practiced.

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RE: Monetary policy/ How do we starve beast? - 5/16/2011 9:14:50 PM   
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Here's how cause and effect arguments work...you explain the step by step process from cause to effect, demonstrating with evidence each step and how it works, thereby establishing the demonstrable link between cause and effect.


I was not really arguing. In my tiny mind I was just making a statement (of the obvious). I hope some people understood.

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