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Phoenixpower -> Europe moves to end passport-free travel in migrant row (5/14/2011 11:50:59 AM)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/12/europe-to-end-passport-free-travel Having enjoyed that freedom of travel that easily...it would be a shame if it is getting back to how it used to be in the past [:o] And what a surprise that France "pushed" in regards to that...after the recent news from France...

popeye1250 -> RE: Europe moves to end passport-free travel in migrant row (5/14/2011 4:13:59 PM)
I have a friend in Ireland and we were talking about this a few months ago. He said that Africa has become Europe's "Mexico." And he said things in England are much worse than in Ireland, that they'll be laying off tens of thousands or more in the next year, very bad housing shortages, healthcare etc and that Europe simply can't let in hundreds of thousands of "refugees", feed them house them and, "pay them simply to exist." I knew the "E.U." was a bad idea years ago. Even my buddy told me that Ireland got FAR more money than they ever put into it. And Italy, Spain and Greece are really suffering from illegal immigration due of course to geography. I've seen a few videos on Youtube about that. They said that at any given time there are hundreds of thousands of "refugees" staged on the northern African continent waiting to sneak across the Mediterainian. That "no passport" thing would work if it involved "only" the E.U. countries but certainly not when you mix in millions of "refugees" from Africa, India and the Middle East sneaking into the E.U. Western countries simply can't let in the Third World. The Third World needs to start solving their own problems and cut the chord with the West. Look at all the riots Europe's had over the last few years, all the rapes in Scandinavian countries. European governments are derelict in their duties to protect their peoples just like our govt. in the U.S. is. All it takes is one spark.

ashjor911 -> RE: Europe moves to end passport-free travel in migrant row (5/14/2011 4:26:18 PM)
I am sorry but that is just a bad news for me, God Damn I hate that

Real0ne -> RE: Europe moves to end passport-free travel in migrant row (5/14/2011 6:01:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 He said that Africa has become Europe's "Mexico." well thats what happens when you create a commercial zone under "statism". Mine all mine you stay out! statism is wrong and dead, and dying.

popeye1250 -> RE: Europe moves to end passport-free travel in migrant row (5/14/2011 9:38:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 He said that Africa has become Europe's "Mexico." well thats what happens when you create a commercial zone under "statism". Mine all mine you stay out! statism is wrong and dead, and dying. RealOne, I think a lot of people would disagree with you on that, me included. Europe or the European countries have every right to do what they want in their own countries just like we in the U.S. do. And as for "mine all mine stay out" no-one is stopping Third World countries from developing their own countries and economies except them. Many of those countries have been getting "foreign aid" from the West for decades now and still they take no responsability for themselves and their people! There comes a point when you have to cut your losses. What say you?

Real0ne -> RE: Europe moves to end passport-free travel in migrant row (5/14/2011 10:02:45 PM)
I am not claiming they do not have the right, they do under their laws. I am pointing out one of many of the downside. their economy is already developed. If they are able to trade goods with one another by any means that will get the job done that is their economy and it works just fine. Where they problem comes in is when they want to interface with the european economies that demand specific manner of payment and have a law library of rules that go along with it. Its not a matter of developing thei econonomy within themselves but redevelopment to match our system of commerce and many of them know how corrupt it is and stay it as long as possible. That money is given with strings. They received what will be classified as a benefit and hence dragged into our economy at some point kicking and screaming and usually after a war like iraq and afghanastan.,

Phoenixpower -> RE: Europe moves to end passport-free travel in migrant row (5/15/2011 5:50:33 AM)
I simply stumbled over it on my recent trip home to Germany and a headline like that one in the link caught my eye from a newspaper in a store over here, which is why I thought to mention it on the boards. Where I am from we are in france 40 minutes by car and in switzerland (though I know they aren't in the EU) in 90 minutes and where I will be moving now next month I will be in austria in 5 minutes...so not having the passport fuss is a pretty nice thing....though of course I do understand that the implementation of it can be changed again if countries feel the system is getting exploitet... Anyhow, just thought to mention it as it did fit to some topics on here recently when I read about illegal immigration problems or changes in countries such as france.

popeye1250 -> RE: Europe moves to end passport-free travel in migrant row (5/15/2011 9:35:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phoenixpower I simply stumbled over it on my recent trip home to Germany and a headline like that one in the link caught my eye from a newspaper in a store over here, which is why I thought to mention it on the boards. Where I am from we are in france 40 minutes by car and in switzerland (though I know they aren't in the EU) in 90 minutes and where I will be moving now next month I will be in austria in 5 minutes...so not having the passport fuss is a pretty nice thing....though of course I do understand that the implementation of it can be changed again if countries feel the system is getting exploitet... Anyhow, just thought to mention it as it did fit to some topics on here recently when I read about illegal immigration problems or changes in countries such as france. Phoenix, how inconvenient would it be to have to show a passport?

Real0ne -> RE: Europe moves to end passport-free travel in migrant row (5/15/2011 2:30:11 PM)
yes and what it comes down to is they will only recognize "corporate" approved passports. So they force you to become an artificial person to force you into their jurisdiction long arm. The river these assholes tread truly runs deep and most completely unseen because its primary purpose is not understood.

Phoenixpower -> RE: Europe moves to end passport-free travel in migrant row (5/15/2011 2:37:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 quote: ORIGINAL: Phoenixpower I simply stumbled over it on my recent trip home to Germany and a headline like that one in the link caught my eye from a newspaper in a store over here, which is why I thought to mention it on the boards. Where I am from we are in france 40 minutes by car and in switzerland (though I know they aren't in the EU) in 90 minutes and where I will be moving now next month I will be in austria in 5 minutes...so not having the passport fuss is a pretty nice thing....though of course I do understand that the implementation of it can be changed again if countries feel the system is getting exploitet... Anyhow, just thought to mention it as it did fit to some topics on here recently when I read about illegal immigration problems or changes in countries such as france. Phoenix, how inconvenient would it be to have to show a passport? I didn't say that it is inconvenient...only feel personally that it is a shame when it goes back to how it was. As a kid we used to have to show our passports when we travelled to france whereas nowadays there isn't any guard when you cross the boarder...it simply feels nice to have this agreement not to have boarder control there and to be able to travel without any interruption...so it isn't the end of the world [;)] but a shame if now all would go back to how it used to be....thats all...[:o] Suppose it means a bit more to me than to others with experiencing at first that the boarders came down within my country (when the Berlin wall came down) and then experiencing that they came even (sort of) down within Europe...which is why personally I think it would be a shame...so more a tiny emotional thing, not more and not less [;)]

popeye1250 -> RE: Europe moves to end passport-free travel in migrant row (5/16/2011 6:41:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phoenixpower quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 quote: ORIGINAL: Phoenixpower I simply stumbled over it on my recent trip home to Germany and a headline like that one in the link caught my eye from a newspaper in a store over here, which is why I thought to mention it on the boards. Where I am from we are in france 40 minutes by car and in switzerland (though I know they aren't in the EU) in 90 minutes and where I will be moving now next month I will be in austria in 5 minutes...so not having the passport fuss is a pretty nice thing....though of course I do understand that the implementation of it can be changed again if countries feel the system is getting exploitet... Anyhow, just thought to mention it as it did fit to some topics on here recently when I read about illegal immigration problems or changes in countries such as france. Phoenix, how inconvenient would it be to have to show a passport? I didn't say that it is inconvenient...only feel personally that it is a shame when it goes back to how it was. As a kid we used to have to show our passports when we travelled to france whereas nowadays there isn't any guard when you cross the boarder...it simply feels nice to have this agreement not to have boarder control there and to be able to travel without any interruption...so it isn't the end of the world [;)] but a shame if now all would go back to how it used to be....thats all...[:o] Suppose it means a bit more to me than to others with experiencing at first that the boarders came down within my country (when the Berlin wall came down) and then experiencing that they came even (sort of) down within Europe...which is why personally I think it would be a shame...so more a tiny emotional thing, not more and not less [;)] Phoenix, understood. It sounds to me like they're simply correcting a mistake. If an illegal alien can sneak into (one) E.U. country as things stand now, then they're basically in (all) the E.U. countries. And the fact that Third Worlders (want) to sneak into Western countries tells us that we must be doing something right and they're doing things wrong. That "multi-culturalism" stuff doesn't seem to be working very well in the E.U.

Aneirin -> RE: Europe moves to end passport-free travel in migrant row (5/16/2011 11:33:21 AM)
I recently watched a film recommended to me by my college course, the film was Blood Diamond, very pertinent given the fact that we are jewellers and metalsmiths. Anyway, something came across from that movie and others that I have seen on a similar vein that Africa was the western world's playground, the west is largely responsible for what is happening there and why Africans want to get the hell out of it. So we hear of people in the West tritely saying the immigrants should stay in their own countries and make something of it, well that is all well and good, but Western interests stop that happening, for Africa has been and still is being pillaged of it's natural resources by foreigners. Our comfort our corporations and our consumerism is the reason why we are presented with the immigration problem that we have, so if we address those problems and stop what is happening, maybe Africa might stand a chance, but if the anthropologists and genetisists are right and we all did come from Africa originally, do you not think we owe something to that continent and it's current inhabitants ? If we stop what some in our world are doing, maybe Africa will become a home again for all those feeing the dangers of everyday life. It is down to us, we created the mess, so we can either reap what we have sown, or we can sort it out. All it takes is for us to open our eyes.

popeye1250 -> RE: Europe moves to end passport-free travel in migrant row (5/16/2011 2:47:56 PM)
Can I get a Cum-Bay-Ahh! Aneirin, the corporations like De Beers may or may not "owe" something to Africa but I'm sitting here in Myrtle Beach, SC and I don't. The whole rest of the world would love to move to the West I'm sure but that simply wouldn't work. Whatever oil that we're getting from Africa is being paid for. If those African govts don't take care of their own people and countries with that money it's pretty difficult to lay the blame for that on someone else. I'm sure we could empty half of China out if we invited them here! What then? We simply can't afford to be giving benefits to "refugees" anymore, we're broke! Our deficit was $4.66 T when Obama took office, it is now $14.2 T.

mnottertail -> RE: Europe moves to end passport-free travel in migrant row (5/16/2011 2:49:14 PM)
Those numbers come directly from whos ass?

CarpeComa -> RE: Europe moves to end passport-free travel in migrant row (5/16/2011 2:53:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Those numbers come directly from whos ass? Mine. The 1's, 8's, and 0's are easy, but those 7's and 4's hurt like a mofo.

NorthernGent -> RE: Europe moves to end passport-free travel in migrant row (5/16/2011 3:56:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 And he said things in England are much worse than in Ireland He ain't much of a friend then, Popeye, because as things stand we're bailing out the Paddies to the tune of billions.

Aneirin -> RE: Europe moves to end passport-free travel in migrant row (5/16/2011 4:55:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 Can I get a Cum-Bay-Ahh! Aneirin, the corporations like De Beers may or may not "owe" something to Africa but I'm sitting here in Myrtle Beach, SC and I don't. The whole rest of the world would love to move to the West I'm sure but that simply wouldn't work. Whatever oil that we're getting from Africa is being paid for. If those African govts don't take care of their own people and countries with that money it's pretty difficult to lay the blame for that on someone else. I'm sure we could empty half of China out if we invited them here! What then? We simply can't afford to be giving benefits to "refugees" anymore, we're broke! Our deficit was $4.66 T when Obama took office, it is now $14.2 T. Yeah, you might think your country is broke, but your country can still spend vast sums of money on 'foreign aid' and wars overseas. Could it be your country is not broke at all, but those that have the money are keeping it to themselves for their use, not yours, as let's face it, you are all under the control of confusion, the unity of people breaking up into parties to snap at each other whilst the thieves get away with the gold. As to immigrants, your country needs them whether you like it or not, hell, they needed your ancestors, cheap labour from overseas. As to any hopes of restarting the redundant industries in America, how are they going to get moving without cheap labour, are you going to take a cut in your lifestyle to help American industry, hardly I think, for industry needs to be competitive with already established industries to survive, therefore the immigrant will be needed again, because you are all too used to your lifestyle, the immigrants of the past have grown up and proved their uselessness to industry, because you expect a certain standard of life, which immigrants don't need, they just need work and money and peace from much of what they have left behind, just like the Irish of the past leaving the troubles behind. The money in America I suspect is being used to promote industry that uses cheap labour to maximise profits. But as to Africa, ever heard of the oil curse, our needs and greeds in the western world, is causing a lot of the problems in Africa, and of the rulers of such countries friendly to the buyers of oil and gas, look which western countries support them. The oil curse Perhaps we truly are reaping what we have sown.

popeye1250 -> RE: Europe moves to end passport-free travel in migrant row (5/16/2011 5:22:01 PM)
Aneirin, the last thing the U.S. needs is immigrants and "cheap labour." I can assure you with a great deal of certainty that we have no shortage of high school dropouts! And we've lost tens of millions of jobs over the last 16 years or so since Clinton signed "NAFTA" into law! The only people who want "cheap labour" are greedy cos. and individuals who want to pay as little as possable in wages and then have the Taxpayers pick up the tab for medical/dental/ housing etc. When those cos. and individuals hire illegal aliens they steal from "everyone!" As the saying goes, "there's no such thing as "cheap" labor." I guarantee you that if I took out an ad in the paper for 100 house painters at a decent wage I'd have those jobs filled in a week. You seem to be anti-labor. I don't blame the working class in this country I blame the greed of those big companies and individuals. It's not the fault of "Joe the Plumber" it's the fault of Tim Geithner and that empty suit in the White House. Like I've said before, this isn't 1900 anymore.

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