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For example, if i quit my job, and then my boss started saying (without proof or evidence) that i quit because i'm on drugs, and people believed it, and judged me, and started reacting to me in a certain way because of it, i would consider *that* to be an invasion of privacy.

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For me, the term "invasion of privacy" means the violation of a right. Whether a person has a particular right (in this case, whether a person has the right to drive down a particular street without taking a breath test, unless they've done something to indicate that they *might* be driving drunk)- whether or not a person has that right isn't dependent on whether they could avoid the checkpoint if they wanted to. In my mind, either they have the right, or they don't.

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Tazzy, the entire gist of this thread is about protecting our privacy in public places, and whether or not we have the right to expect some form of privacy in public. You stated that it is illegal to track us in public with our bank cards. I pointed out that they do not need to track our bank cards, but they indeed could have access to something just as identifying, and that is our personal identification.

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Now like I said, I am not going to go off the grid in a paranoid scramble to protect my privacy, but I am pointing out that there are some forms of privacy we should have, even in public, and our personal identity being scanned, cataloged for whatever useful data can be mined, and who knows, perhaps sold, is one of those ways that I believe we should have privacy.

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The saddest part of all is that people comply with the government stripping them every time they fly, as if that will make them safer... it only is one step closer to acceptance of a lack of even the most personal invasions..

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The right against unreasonable search and seizure was enshrined in the constitution. Being a private person who likes to keep to themselves did not used to be seem as a strange and suspect thing. I find it rather odd how little people value it these days...

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
This is what Im getting at, LP. Once you walk out of your home, anything viewable becomes subject to public scrutiny. As more becomes "viewable" more interest is attracted. As we accept more in the name of safety, we lose even more privacy.

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i think that requiring a credit report is unreasonable for many jobs.

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Come to think of it, i also think requiring a drug test is unreasonable for many jobs.

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i think that if i go to a play party i should not find pictures of what i did there on someone else's web site.

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i don't want a store to put cameras in their restroom to see if i'm stealing.

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i would expect the DMV not to make my address and personal data available to anyone besides law enforcement or a court.

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i expect that any time "my call may be recorded for quality assurance purposes" that i will be informed of the fact.

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i expect to be allowed to decline to answer questions about my race, age, sex, income, etc. when i'm asked those questions on a survey

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i expect not to be strip searched by the police or airport personnel unless they have reason to believe i have committed a crime.

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i expect not to be stopped by the police unless they have reason to believe i have committed a crime.

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i believe i should not be asked my zip code when i buy batteries at Radio Shack.

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People today can't really make the same mistakes and be able to expect them not to be posted in some form to the world wide web. Remember when email started to be utilized and folks warned each other, "never send an email that you don't think you could live with if other people saw it?" Now, darn near everything a person does has that potential. All you need is someone with a video phone. Do something stupid out in the world? You'd better hope that someone you know didn't spot it and send the information out to every person you know in common.

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ORIGINAL: gungadin09
i think that if i go to a play party i should not find pictures of what i did there on someone else's web site.

Thats odd, especially in this day and age of posting everything public on youtube. If someone agrees not to video or photograph you as a condition of being at the same party, then I can see your privacy claim. If no one is bound to such an agreement, you should not expect privacy at a public event.

Everyone at the party *does* make that agreement. My point is that it's not the law, and you asked for examples of rights which exist but aren't guaranteed by law.

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ORIGINAL: gungadin09
i would expect the DMV not to make my address and personal data available to anyone besides law enforcement or a court.

Depending on the state, your personal information may be quite private.

i don't know whether it's required for the DMV in all states. i don't know whether it's required that work info has to be kept private, or that school info has to be, in all states. What i'm saying is if that's not the law in every state (and i think it's likely that it's not) that that represents a right to privacy that is not guaranteed by law.

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i expect not to be strip searched by the police or airport personnel unless they have reason to believe i have committed a crime.

So someone has to have committed a crime first? Interesting. What if you fail the metal detector and the pat down? Both of those then require a strip search of sorts. Typically removal of clothing, not necessarily all clothing.

Sorry, i edited that part, but not before you quoted me. It now says "unless they have reason to believe that i have committed a crime, or are about to commit one." i don't know if it's legal, but in Davis they stop pedestrians without cause all the time. i would have no problem with them stopping me IF they had a reason to.

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ORIGINAL: gungadin09
i believe i should not be asked my zip code when i buy batteries at Radio Shack.

And you have every right not to give them one.

i know i have the right not to give them one. i believe i also have the right not to be asked, and that is not a right that's guaranteed me by law (Incidently, i also believe i have the right to buy groceries at Safeway without paying a huge markup because i won't sign up for a savings card, and give them personal information so they can advertise to me.) Like i said, i don't feel *strongly* about some of these rights. But, since you asked, i believe they exist.

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This is why I say the expectation of privacy in public is a fantasy. If it happens in public, it can be caught on "tape". The one in the dorm room was set up by his roommate. Again, the victim had an expectation of privacy that no longer exists.

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ORIGINAL: WyldHrt

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This is why I say the expectation of privacy in public is a fantasy. If it happens in public, it can be caught on "tape". The one in the dorm room was set up by his roommate. Again, the victim had an expectation of privacy that no longer exists.

So a shared dorm room is now 'public'? And you are OK with that? If so, does renting a room to someone also give them the right to tape your bedroom or bathroom activities and post the video on the internet?

On the OP, it really depends on what you mean by privacy. These days, if I trip and fall on my ass in front of the grocery, I pretty much expect to see it on 'youtube' (yay for progress ). That does not mean I'm OK with having every credit card purchase tracked or having my cell or laptop 'phone home' on request to report my location, what sites I've viewed, where I purchase my sex toys, etc.

For me, it has nothing to do with having 'something to hide', and everything to do with 'It's not anyone's fucking business'.

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A New Jersey grand jury on Wednesday indicted the roommate of Tyler Clementi, the Rutgers University freshman who killed himself in September, on hate-crime charges in using a webcam to stream Mr. Clementi’s romantic encounter with another man on the Internet in the days before the suicide.

The roommate, Dharun Ravi, and another student were initially charged with invasion of privacy. In accusing Mr. Ravi of acting with antigay motives, the indictment exposes him to a potential sentence of at least 5 to 10 years in prison if convicted, as opposed to the probation that would probably have resulted if Mr. Ravi were convicted only on the earlier counts.

The grand jury also charged Mr. Ravi, 19, with a cover-up. The Middlesex County prosecutor’s office said he had deleted a Twitter post that alerted others to watch a second encounter Mr. Clementi planned with the man — identified in the indictment only as “M.B.” — and replaced it with a post “intended to mislead the investigation.” Prosecutors said Mr. Ravi had also tried to persuade witnesses not to testify.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/21/nyregion/rutgers-roommate-faces-hate-crime-charges-in-spying-suicide.html?_r=1

It is because of that expectation of privacy that he acted as he did, exploring his sexual side in an environment he believed to be safe... and it wasnt. I wish it were different, expecially for this young man. But its not. Thats why I said its a fantasy. The video of the tg who was beat in McDonalds, another invasion of privacy.

Guess what? No one cares about your privacy anymore. It started with Americas Funniest Home videos... the show that showed the comical, but not too embarrassing side of life. And its escalated to TOSH.O. People who send those in dont care about privacy, they are all in it for their 15 seconds of fame and a laugh.

Thats what your privacy is worth these days, a spot on TOSH, 15 seconds of laughter, and to hell with you.

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ORIGINAL: gungadin09

i think that requiring a credit report is unreasonable for many jobs. Come to think of it, i also think requiring a drug test is unreasonable for many jobs. i think that if i go to a play party i should not find pictures of what i did there on someone else's web site. i don't want a store to put cameras in their restroom to see if i'm stealing. i would expect the DMV not to make my address and personal data available to anyone besides law enforcement or a court. i would expect the same from any job or school i attended. i expect that any time "my call may be recorded for quality assurance purposes" that i will be informed of the fact. i expect to be allowed to decline to answer questions about my race, age, sex, income, etc. when i'm asked those questions on a survey. i expect not to be strip searched by the police or airport personnel unless they have reason to believe i have committed a crime (or am about to). i expect not to be stopped by the police unless they have reason to believe i have committed a crime (or am about to). i believe i should not be asked my zip code when i buy batteries at Radio Shack.

i'm not adamant about most of those things, but i do believe them. Not because they're legal or illegal, but because i consider them to be unethical, or an infringement on my right to a certain degree of privacy.

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No. The whole intent of the guy recording it was to post it to YouTube. And here's the irony part. Now the story is everywhere and the hate-filled fuck has been exposed for what kind of human being he is because everybody has heard his comments while he was recording the incident. Want to bet that within the month, there's going to be a news story somewhere about how he says his comments were a mistake and he'd like to get his privacy back?

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Amazing how people think privacy isnt an issue... until its their privacy thats taken away.

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Something else which amazes me. In this day and age of video/camera phones and the propensity for viral youtube and such, that anyone would have the expectation of privacy. Im not speaking about the legal right to have privacy, nor am I speaking of the moral right to privacy... Its the expectation of privacy that people have in this day and age of technology which has turned it into the ability to embarass anyone for a laugh.

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A facial recognition system is a computer application for automatically identifying or verifying a person from a digital image or a video frame from a video source. One of the ways to do this is by comparing selected facial features from the image and a facial database.
It is typically used in security systems and can be compared to other biometrics such as fingerprint or eye iris recognition systems.[1]


Privacy concerns
Many citizens are concerned that their privacy will be invaded. Some fear that it could lead to a “total surveillance society,” with the government and other authorities having the ability to know where you are, and what you are doing, at all times. This is not to be an underestimated concept as history has shown that states have typically abused such access before.[20]
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facial_recognition_system#Privacy_concerns