Real0ne
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Fuckin answer me. I caught the first few seconds and it seems to be in England.
Thats why the remark even the brits get it!
There is no overall difference between us courts and brit courts EXCEPT you have more rights honored in brit courts than you will here.
You wanna hang with me you better have the balls to explain this. We are in the US, unless you lied and you are not really in Wisconsin. OK, we are not fourteenth amendment citizens. we got that covered.
Heh heh! ok here term, prove it! you get yanked into any court in the US and you are presumed to be a 14th citizen. Now beat the presumption prove to them you are not.
But why does this shit from England have anything to do with me ? God damn, even what they legislate here has nothing to do with me.
Yeh technically you are right! However they commercialized everything including you! so now prove to me that the commercial TERMINATOR LOVES FREEDOM is not the same "person" as Terminator-Loves:Freedom.
You be yourself and I will be the judge that just ignores want you say because it would bring the whole fraudulent system down.
It's nice that you try to educate the people, but who are you trying to educate, the Brits ? Fuck, they look to us, we don't look to them. Where is your common sense ?
Know what, maybe in the next couple of days I'll find something on my old drive. Stands to this day. Has a profoud effect on court cases and whatever. But it has to do with the US. What are you going to do, send it to the Brits ? Don't bother, they have nothing compared to what we have in the body of law. And it's a damn shame we aren't really doing something with it. In the end all you are doing is making us look bad.
T^T
They have more than we do.
they have a bill of rights etc
the only thing that is different is when Willy boy created the enfeofment system.
In New York feudalism was the standard for many years after the cnstitution!
Its a brit feudal creation, its here right now today but people are clueless as to what it is much less its effect. on loss of rights.
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I presume you realize that all the states in the early days declared the "law of the land" then simply common law as the law of the people, rightfully so as it existed prior to any statutes.
ARTICLE XIV.
SCHEDULE
Effect of change from territory to state. SECTION 1.
That no inconvenience may arise by reason of a change from a
territorial to a permanent state government, it is declared that all
rights, actions, prosecutions, judgments, claims and contracts,
as well of individuals as of bodies corporate, (they distinguish it here in the state constitution but NOT in any court in the state) shall continue as
if no such change had taken place; and all process which may be
issued under the authority of the territory of Wisconsin previous
to its admission into the union of the United States shall be as
valid as if issued in the name of the state.
Territorial laws continued. SECTION 2. All laws now in
force in the territory of Wisconsin which are not repugnant to
this constitution shall remain in force until they expire by their
own limitation or be altered or repealed by the legislature.
Territorial fines accrue to state.
snip: bunch of repeals of common law stuff that the people NEVER VOTED ON
Common law continued in force. SECTION 13. Such
parts of the common law as are now in force in the territory of
Wisconsin, not inconsistent with this constitution, shall be and
continue part of the law of this state until altered or suspended
by the legislature.
snip court case annotations
This section does not codify English common law circa 1776, but preserves law that by historical understanding is subject to continuing evolution under the judicial power.
The supreme court court has authority not only to alter but also to abrogate the common law when appropriate. <- NO THEY DO NOT!
The court’s responsibility for altering or abolishing a common law rule does not end due to legislative failure to enact a statuteto the contrary. snip: more case annotations and more common law that they voted out without approval from the people.
they do not have that authority and that is proven by the 7th.
I argued the matter with the state legislative counsel on the matter, they were unhappy with my citations. They know the law but use double think drawing lines in law that do not exist to appropriate legislative mandates as they are backed by the courts and its all for profit!
They are abolishing the common law and replacing it with roman civil and commercial law and they have no legitimate authority to do so!
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In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.
In Suits at common law
mean time traffic ticket are private municipal law and while you may get a trial it is a commercial trial in equity not common law and not original jurisdiction because the lower courts are strictly administrative which is why you NEVER win (against the government or their agencies) in the lower courts and have to PAY for an appeal.
the right of trial by jury shall be preserved
parking tickets are more than 20 bucks but you do not get a trial for them
no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States
ALL courts are 1 and 2 courts UNTIL you get to the DC supreme court and all state courts are united states courts created under the legislature under the APA and judiciary act where you have been determined to be an enemy of state because yo are using a foreign currency against the constitution of the united states. federal reserve notes are private script.
do not the states uphold supreme court decisions? yes they do. the only way the supreme court has that power is if they have jurisdiction OVER the state courts, hence the state courts are created under them et al.
and now they set up the world courts over the domestic supreme courts (right but we will get used to it)
one big happy famiily!
no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.
which in its original construction is a 25 man jury. The most the US court has authority to do BYLAW is to act as a court master to assist the jury forman who is NOW THE COURT the judge is never the court like people think, (they simply are clues as to the history and functions of courts), so they are allowed to assist the court to try both the facts and the law of the case.
That puts this whole fucking corrupt judicial system right out of the picture.
By ignoring the people they have an continue to commit treason because stoopid americans let them get away with it.
now its not significantly different in england though people think it is and the last thing any of these brits want is a war with the us in this day and age when we can turn an island into a sink hole. LOL.
and since you bring it up where does it say the "people" get to determine how much tax they pay?
Show me where this has been repealed in its entirety?
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art of confederation:
Article VIII. All charges of war, and all other expenses that shall be incurred for the common defense or general welfare, and allowed by the united States in congress assembled, shall be defrayed out of a common treasury, which shall be supplied by the several States in proportion to the value of all land within each State, granted or surveyed for any person, as such land and the buildings and improvements thereon shall be estimated according to such mode as the united States in congress assembled, shall from time to time direct and appoint. The taxes for paying that proportion shall be laid and levied by the authority and direction of the legislatures of the several States within the time agreed upon by the united States in congress assembled.
so there you go term in a nutshell. the states came into the union on the SAME FOOTING as the original 13 and the constitution did nothing to prevent the legislatures from exercising plenary power of their political districts and they do!
Can you vote out property taxes? It will NEVER come to the floor LOL
< Message edited by Real0ne -- 4/24/2011 8:41:42 AM >
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