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Jackie DeShannon; The 60's explained. - 4/2/2011 10:24:15 PM   
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Little Miss Jackie, born in Dec. 28 of 1944,  started recording at age six, had her first output from a record company at age 11.

She actually moved to LA at age 14 from an invitation in recognition of her song writing and singing talent.

She was partnered with other song writers right away, while they figured out how to package her Kentucky born country music singing into something for a broader audience. She was up to the task on both counts. She rendered to the world the first version of "Needles and Pins," thence followed by several hundred other versions, but nevertheless written by Sony Bono and Jack Nitzsche.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VVhSscKpR4&feature=related

Pardon me for skipping over much of that, but please allow me to enlighten you to just what a 19-20 yr. old Kentucky girl can do all on her own, finding her own way (and I mean her OWN way) to a spot on the most popular TV shows of the time.

Here's the 19 yr. old, just where she wants to be, by her own efforts alone, this song being 100% her own composition, no "American Idol" in the process:

"When You Walk In The Room"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JRv6iCCYQo

the original:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XivobA8xyxw&feature=related

I am thoroughly astounded at this on its own, forget what came later.

But here is what she was doing at the same time

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pv53_f8XNsI&feature=related

Actually done a year before, but  let's not quibble here.



Songs got on the radio by her writing talent before her performance talent found its way to the big time, but she had some bit of both in the mix as early as '58, this particular (then) 14 yr. old being far ahead of others at the time. As comparison,  Lennon and McCartney, 2-4 years her senior, were at the time still fumbling over each other as to what either singing or song writing were about. They did much better later, but ......


Those just coming up in the business were chasing after her in every way, and felt blessed by her influence if so directly  placed. She went to England even before her first major hit song, found liaison with Jimmy Page in late '64, where they wrote one song together 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QXnnPzPK4k


Though "co-written", I wonder if the words "he lets me be myself" were Jackie's or Jimmy's ?  A mystery forever ...   Don't make too much of it, Jimmy Page was a nobody in late '64 and was not good for songwriting at the time, don't question it. Jackie knew when to move on.

She wrote a good many other songs in that period, The Byrds and Marianne Faithfull having some success thereby.

Here's what Jackie was doing behind the scenes ...

Some demos she tossed to others 

This one for a new group called "The Byrds," whom she found interest in at the time, before the record companies did

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnxdHD9gmpM

Then she took them one further and just recorded one of her songs with them straight up

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11gJtrtvCOQ&feature=related

But when she was in England, telling Jimmy Page he was so handsome but she had to get back to work, she did this also, but only because Marianne's manager told Jackie to .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQVDwwtGMvc

the demo for the next Marianne Faithfull top ten hit.

Then another of her songs  for the new band that was trying to make it in the states, The Byrds

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnxdHD9gmpM

A demo, and if you are asking, yes, that is Jackie D herself on the guitar in every case in these demos, and while singing and playing in same recording.

Another of her originals, just to help a new band she thought could go somewhere 

Splendor in the grass

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11gJtrtvCOQ&feature=related


Why is any of this mentioned at all?

Because one of the 'big studios' invited her to sing what they felt would be the next big thing from Burt Bacharach / Hal David.

And so we have it  thus, as long as other people understand that she did all these other things and wrote and performed all these demos and helped out The Byrds and Marianne Faithfull even before she got to this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMS2uMUQNnQ&feature=related


Surprised?


I already knew some of that, but I keep being amazed all the time by her history.

And so we leave it thus, what America was heading towards at one time, but has long since left  ....

100% Jackie written song here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMj7UcjPZ0U&NR=1














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RE: Jackie DeShannon; The 60's explained. - 4/3/2011 12:06:44 AM   
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I checked out about three of those links. She is one hell of a singer. Thank you for the tip, really, she is going into the download queue right fast.

But then I must be blunt (otherwise I would be sharp). If she didn't have a bunch of losers for writers she coulod have Bill Gates as a pool boy. Her voice is great, and would fit any style of music she damnwell please(d/s). Really, I could probably write her better songs. (Black Snow comes to mind).

This is someone who belongs on the charts, but the "market" being what it is, Millie Vanillie got more money most likely.

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RE: Jackie DeShannon; The 60's explained. - 4/3/2011 12:34:49 AM   
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Goddamnit Edwynn. Her voice is so hauntingly beautiful I'm tearing up. Must be hormoans or sumfin.

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RE: Jackie DeShannon; The 60's explained. - 4/3/2011 12:44:42 AM   
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HK MF, get this. We Men do not have whoremoans, we have grit.

That means we grit our teeth when they get their whoremoans. Actually a fast car can help out in that situation. Don't you have some kind of weird little European gizmo you drive around ? I might work.

Editing just because I can. I just downloaded it. I also wikied it. She was hosting a radio talk show at 11 ? I think that's cool.

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RE: Jackie DeShannon; The 60's explained. - 4/3/2011 12:57:26 AM   
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HK MF, get this. We Men do not have whoremoans, we have grit.

That means we grit our teeth when they get their whoremoans. Actually a fast car can help out in that situation. Don't you have some kind of weird little European gizmo you drive around ? I might work.

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Then I can blame the teary eyes on the wind in my face.


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RE: Jackie DeShannon; The 60's explained. - 4/3/2011 12:59:05 AM   
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Don'tcha just hate that. Fuckin wind makes it look like you are about to cry when you're really ready to kill some MF.

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RE: Jackie DeShannon; The 60's explained. - 4/3/2011 6:11:38 AM   
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The woman just socks you in the gut with her voice, no?

As for better songwriting, I'm not sure if I would want to replace this


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQVDwwtGMvc

as would supposedly be 'better' written by Black Snow Flakes or whoever.

But aside from my double posting Splendor in The Grass (hmm, wonder how that happened), I forgot to mention that Jackie D was over and done with the young Brit studio musician, but still found a decent song out of it, viz:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSaWRl6WXr4

She got it out of her system right away, whereas it took Jimmy Page 5 years beyond to address the same subject. I'm not kidding

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQ_JAgHxR14

No, it's not a 'myth' at all, 'Tangerine' was all about the short but life changing experience that Jimmy Page  had with Jackie DeShannon in his earlier life.

While on the subject, listen to this one again

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQVDwwtGMvc

and understand that she was of finger style guitar playing 3-4 years before The Beatles stumbled upon it or Jimmy Page practiced his arse off just to get even close to this. And still none of them were ever this good at it.







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RE: Jackie DeShannon; The 60's explained. - 4/7/2011 9:12:20 PM   
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So, visiting this again, just for sake of something involving innate talent to bump up near the American Idol thread every once in awhile ...  

I was in such a rush to get the word out in the OP that it was actually quite incoherent, sorry.

What Jackie DeShannon was doing in the period from '64 to '65 in songwriting was at least equal to anything at the time, and I think she unquestionably had a better grasp on the direction in which things were going and wrote with greater sophistication (for pop music) than the ones selling millions of records in the same period. Though she was 2-4 years younger than Dylan or Lennon or McCartney, what she was writing in '64 they would not get to until one or two albums later as far as overall sound. Keep in mind that her 'hook' lead-in on the electric 12-string in the song When You Walk Into The Room, which Jackie wrote in late Summer '63, was essentially copped by McCartney ~ 15 months later in The Beatles' What You're Doing and later still by The Byrds as the hook in Mr. Tambourine Man in '65.

After The Searchers took her original performance of Needles And Pins and her own composition When You Walk In The Room from 1963 and made them into top 10 hits in the UK, the rest of the up and coming bands there took notice and learned a lot more about her. The Beatles were duly impressed and specifically chose her to be on the bill for their first full American tour in August of '64. Having not disappointed in that task, the small contingent of British along for that tour brought word back that she was indeed the real deal.

She was soon invited/implored to hasten herself across the pond at earliest convenience by some record producers. I'm sure she had at least a couple of songs in her pocket when she arrived, but it's still amazing to me all the songs she put together in that brief spell in latter '64.

She got about 4-5 songs out to Marianne Faithful's producers soon enough, some three of which Ms. Faithful found good success with. I'm not sure, but I think Come and Stay With Me might have gotten the most airplay at the time, and I linked Jackie's demo of With You In Mind in the last post (only about seven or eight times, ~sorry~), and this one was the B side to one of those:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3t3p-Wvwxhs

Along with doing that, she was writing plenty for herself and others and they got her into the studio as soon as ink was dry on them. To keep things in perspective, this was being written and recorded in the same general time frame as the  Beatles For Sale album (or the combined Beatles '65 and Beatles VI albums in the US), i.e. Autumn of  '64. The progressiveness of both songwriting and style of guitar playing in these recordings we would hear later from others, but here's our first glimpse into the next 1-3 years of guitar-based pop music, Jackie playing front and center on most of these, and directing all the parts in any case.

She banging on the 12-string here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8egqnDUfSfg

At the beginning of this next one she is asking the studio chaps if they find her lead-in troublesome, a polite way of saying "don't you guys know when to come in?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NShxl-4NAls

I mistakenly had the following song as being co-written by Jackie D. and Jimmy Page earlier but after re-checking things it was actually all Jackie, as with all these songs thus far:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QXnnPzPK4k&feature=related

For whatever reason the song above was never released at the time, but many years later on a compilation album.

She also recorded/demo-ed at least three others on this same UK visit. Hard to believe what she did in such a brief amount of time. She then returns to the states and at beginning of '65 churns out more demos for others, like Don't Doubt Yourself Babe for the Byrds (linked in first post), records her song Splendor In The Grass with them as the back up band, a demo for Glen Campbel, and then ...

The big success after recording Bacharach/David's What The World Needs Now in March '65 seems to have sidetracked her songwriting for a spell. But that's OK because she seemed to focus so much more on performance when doing this and other songs from those composers, and her skill in understanding a song and knowing the perfect treatment to give it showcasing her other wonderful talent.

Here's one she did in those same sessions, released some months later, and for some unfathomable reason did not attain much success at the time.

Bacharach/David could write some pretty good tales that turned simple dating into a lifetime of emotional destruction and crushing devastation if one wound up on the wrong side of the deal (e.g. Dionne Warwick's Walk On By). Suffice it to say that Jackie was up to the task on this new episode of 'my heart stepped in front of a freight train, oops'. "Yeah, I can do this, let's go."

A Lifetime Of Loneliness

When you hear Ms. DeShannon pleading the  words "Don't sentence me ... " she does so with such perfect undertone of vulnerability that you KNOW the big heart ripping is coming soon. You almost want to cover your eyes/ears, you know it's gonna be bad, but her voice compels you to witness the whole thing. That be Performance.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkwR6RDgmdI





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RE: Jackie DeShannon; The 60's explained. - 4/7/2011 10:23:45 PM   
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Evidently I have never heard anything by Jackie DeShannon cause I swear I thought she was a guy.



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RE: Jackie DeShannon; The 60's explained. - 4/7/2011 10:48:10 PM   
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Most people have heard these two:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMS2uMUQNnQ&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMj7UcjPZ0U&feature=related


But it's funny you mention the gender confusion because that was actually her intention when she started out in the late 50's. She knew that male performers sold more records so she sang in a lower voice and had "Jackie Dee" or "Jackie D" as the name listed on her first few singles. She then tried "Jackie D. Shannon" and people hearing DJ's say her name on the radio heard it as "Jackie Deshannon." Once she was told this a few times she just decided to keep it that way other than to have the spelling more legitimate with "DeShannon."

Sharon Myers is the name she was born with.



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RE: Jackie DeShannon; The 60's explained. - 4/8/2011 5:16:38 AM   
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Oh wow! Thanks for sharing this. I love the 1960's music, especially what happened in the States during this time, and I'm well aware of who Jackie DeShannon is. I admit I never heard her sing 'Needles and Pins', I've listened to it about four times now and I can't get enough of it. It moves you. But she was rather universal, and I think her rendition of 'Lead the way' is as good as anything else you can find in Northern Soul.

'Put a little love in your heart' is one of my favourites, and while I know it's been covered by a few artists I'm afraid for me only Marcia Griffiths comes close. But it's still not the same as the original.

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RE: Jackie DeShannon; The 60's explained. - 4/8/2011 5:19:47 AM   
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Goddamnit Edwynn. Her voice is so hauntingly beautiful I'm tearing up. Must be hormoans or sumfin.


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RE: Jackie DeShannon; The 60's explained. - 4/8/2011 7:38:53 AM   
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Well I listened to several of the clips. She's got an alright voice but pretty generic and forgettable. I don't see what the fuss is about. I won't remember who she is in a week.

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RE: Jackie DeShannon; The 60's explained. - 4/8/2011 1:20:58 PM   
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Aside from  missing the focus of the previous post entirely regarding Jackie D's contribution to the music of the time and how far ahead of things she was, I fully allow that it would be quite entertaining, to say the least, were we to hear a 'less generic' voice outside of his/her own limited genre as compared to Jackie's superior capacity in adaptation and perspective.


Other than my congenital inability to hear Bob Dylan beyond two songs in succession, you'd find no argument from me that it would indeed be quite 'entertaining' to hear Dylan or anyone else attempt some of the songs that JD did.

Your proposed better prospects in this regard would be most interesting.


Nevertheless, thanks for the input. In matters such as these one is not exactly looking for 'agreement' or full concurrence in any regard.








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RE: Jackie DeShannon; The 60's explained. - 4/8/2011 2:13:19 PM   
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Oh wow! Thanks for sharing this.



Were this to be considered as but a small token in appreciation of your wonderful contributions in the P&R board, I would only say that I was pursuing some recent fascination and I am happy for the coincidence of your entertainment and appreciation in such of my ventures.


But the woman absolutely rocks, and I was speaking to both my musical, aural, and own artistic sensibilities in the effort to bring her wonderful contributions to others' attention in the first place. The music biz knew who she was, at an early age, and the 'insiders' understood what the fuss was about, as do I.


Thanks for listening and understanding, Stella. That seems to be your forté. On many fronts.






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RE: Jackie DeShannon; The 60's explained. - 4/8/2011 5:33:10 PM   
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I can understand the difficulties with listening to Bob Dylan, who is arguably one of the finest poets in the English language but as a lyricist is somewhat inconsistent, for example comparing 'Positively 4th Street' and 'Like A Rolling Stone' to other stuff like 'Highway 61 Revisited', 'All Along The Watchtower'.

But I also rate just as highly Smokey Robinson, who can make music with words. I sometimes wonder just how much people realize that contribution to the music industry came from small town America, and some of the decisions which were made - critical decisions - by American record producers. It runs right through from jazz into country, blues, folk, rock and roll and it helped create what was for my mind at least arguably the best decade of music in the 20th century from 1963 or thereabouts to 1973.

This for me is when it all really happened, with jackie DeShannon, Del Shannon - another greatly underrated songwriter and composer, the Mamas and Papas, Peter Paul and Mary, the Byrds, the Loving Spoonful, the Beach Boys going through their renaissance with Brian Wilson discovering his creative genius to come out with something like Pet Sounds, There was also Crosby Stills and Nash, Creedance Clearwater Revival, Janis Joplin, Roy Orbison, and so many others.

English language culture is predominant throughout the world and I feel each possesses their own quality of creative spark, not just in the States but in Canada, Britain, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, India, but I feel that nobody can take that creative spark and develop it into something else quite like an American. This in itself is what I feel to be a defining element of American culture.

Perhaps it comes from that strong sense of ethno-centricity, that sense of being American, which is so universal right from the Bering Straits in the north west down to the south eastern tip of Florida, that gives Americans that seemingly innate sense of what is right, what works, and i would even suggest that what America chooses to share with the world, what we all perceive as American culture, is but a tip of the iceberg.

It's something which is quite different from the innovation and inventiveness found in say, Britain or Canada, but you just cannot argue with how Hollywood itself formed out of the ideas of Chaplin and how that was exploited partly to lift America out of the Depression. It can be seen over and over again, with the development of electricity, the telephone, the Internet.

Can you imagine what life would be like without electricity? Without the telephone? Without much of modern music?

Try to imagine a world without America.

This is something which appears to be lost these days, that voice of protest once voiced over Vietnam and Korea has been silent over Afghanistan and Iraq and in among all the bickering, squabbling between political left and political right, in among the daily struggles to keep body and soul together, the fridge stocked up and gas in the car, that what once was appears lost.

I'm not an expert by any means, but I would also argue that 1963 to 1973 was a defining moment in American history, the marches through Selma and Mongomery in Alabama, the Mississippi Freedom Summer, events such as Monterey, Woodstock, Martin Luther King, and the entire civil rights movement.

I'm not an American, the other way I can relate to it is my experience of being in Poland and being a part of that transition from communism to what is today. Two countries on either side of the Atlantic, culturally similar due to the conflicts and isolation in their history, their geography - the vast open territories of the States and the broad expansive plains of Poland in the centre of Europe - in both cases the ideal location for a battle.

I walked into the country when it had nothing, I had just £40 in my pocket, there was not much to buy in the shops, there were shortages everywhere and a sense of solidarity and community that we have never experienced in the West. Polish society was held together by the knowledge that everybody needed somebody else - the university professor needed the shop girl for his quarter pound of krakowski sausage every month, he needed her father to fix stuff in his apartment and her grandfather to repair his Trabant or Syrena.

This is how I imagine it to be in the States during the 1960's, in the small towns, perhaps in the Deep South, whe¶e people knew each other, kept their white picket fences white, 'forty five was the speed limit, motorcycles not allowed in it', and people reaching out, and responding to Jackie DeShannon's 'put a little love in your heart'.

I mean, such changes and advances in civil rights could not be achieved just by the figures, but more so by the ordinary American people, reaching out, supporting each other..

Which makes it all the more soul-destroying to see people bickering between left and right, rich and poor, black and white, heterosexual and homosexual, people refusing to see the reality that times are hard for many people, and that the animosity and enmity shown between the neocons and the liberals is a lose lose battle for every American.

Or maybe part of my soul caught that spirit between Monterey and Woodstock, and this is yet another of my bleeding heart, tree-huggin' posts.

I'd like to provide another example of a great recording from that era involving both a British rock band and an American singer which came about from an idea from an American producer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcCTKtyzaXc

This is The Rolling Stones 'Gimme Shelter', a song written by Mick Jagger and Keith Richards about the political and social unrest in the States at the time - when there were race riots, Vietnam, and Charles Manson. The backing singer is Merry Clayton, an American gospel singer from Louisiana. She released her own version of this song, she also backed other artists such as Ray Charles and also appeared in the 80's TV show Cagney and Lacey.

'Gimme Shelter' was recorded early in 1969 with the Rolling Stones at Olympia Studios in London and Merry Clayton recording her tracks at Sunset and Elektra Sound Studios in California. The idea for the recording came from its producer Jimmy Miller who worked with the Stones on the most successful of their five albums Beggar's Banquet (1968), Let It Bleed (1969), Sticky Fingers (1971), Exile on Main Street (1972) and Goat's Head Soup (1973)

The lyrics of the song speak of seeking shelter from a an approaching storm, highlighting the devastating social transition at the time while pointing out the power of love

Oh a storm is threatening, my very life today
If I don't get some shelter, Oh yeah I'm gonna fade away
War, children, it's just a shot away, it's just a shot away
Love, sister, it's just a kiss away, it's just a kiss away


I feel it's something more of a passing coincidence that these lyrics, as well as many others by American artists such as Jackie DeShannon, Buffalo Springfield and Barry MacGuire, could just as easily apply to today's situation as back then in the Sixties.

That's just how timeless that period truly was.

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RE: Jackie DeShannon; The 60's explained. - 4/8/2011 7:43:25 PM   
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Well first off, thanks for destroying my illusion that all of this had gone entirely away, however ineffectual things have become for, oh, I don't know, the last 30 years or so?


Let's not mention names here, but rather r/l events and speak to just that. BTW, I'm glad that you spelled it as 'Merry' rather than 'Mary' Clayton. She appreciates it, as do others in the business.

Would you be interested in some firsthand account of events at the time, vs. various reports or prescribed literature from afar on the subject?

I knew I could count on you, dear woman.

Here's how it was, as for my own small and insignificant part in anything.

The Charlotte NC and specifically the Mecklenberg County school district was the first one in the US that had 'forced busing' imposed upon them. What mattered were the several elementary schools and 2 high schools that had the last vestiges of separation, and so bus everybody.  To the rest of the schools, nothing was noted before vs. after. My own Jr. HS changed demographically from 32% black to 31% black, with similar 'change' elsewhere aside from the upper and lower levels of concern.

In some places, I'm sure it made a difference, but in our own school, life went on as before, and to  our minds, there were much greater concerns than whatever nonsense 'they' came up with. Just another shuffling no different than other shuffling as had gone on before, in our minds.

It was only a couple of years later that I realized that it was an 'event' to the rest of the country, that being after the parents in some more "progressive" part of the country threw bricks at the school buses and thence required police escort for two years.

In the meantime, there were more pertinent issues where I was. Me figuring out who I was, and the 2-3 black girls singing along with James Brown's "Say it loud! I'm Black an' I'm proud!"  just as entry and exit music to all of us going to classes in jr. HS at the time. The national newspapers were trying to 'analyze' things, and I wanted to say to them, "just listen to these girls and figure it out." What was our daily breakfast the national media took crumbs from and thence proceeded to tell all the world what it was about.

No wonder people did not take them at their word, at least not in that time.


Ashor contributed the most wonderful experience here lately, and, what did a representative from academia (Australian in this case) have to say about it?

"Here's a great book that supersedes your own experience!" as a self-imagined 'contribution.' Predictable enough, but no less annoying in any regard.


Yes the world goes down hill, but I just remember the strong singing of those in the past who had  been told that there was no hope but found a way to not only sing, but sing louder.










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