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Outlier2 -> Hands-free faucets harbor germs, Johns Hopkins study says (4/2/2011 6:36:57 AM)

Johns Hopkins has once again supported the old adage.

The more complex you make anything the more likely
it is; something will go wrong.






Palliata -> RE: Hands-free faucets harbor germs, Johns Hopkins study says (4/2/2011 8:08:44 AM)

Seems like operator error - harder to clean with a staff unwilling to put in more effort means things stay dirtier. Who knows how clean they might be with proper maintenance? Still, more labor inefficiency in general is a bad thing.



DesFIP -> RE: Hands-free faucets harbor germs, Johns Hopkins study says (4/2/2011 9:02:47 AM)

The more complicated something is, the harder it is to find people able to handle it especially at the low rate of pay cleaners get. And there is the time problem, they are supposed to do a certain amount of work daily, if the faucets require more time they won't get the rest of the work done. Really think the supervisors going to accept "I spent three hours unassembling and reassembling faucets?". No, they'll just get fired.



porcelaine -> RE: Hands-free faucets harbor germs, Johns Hopkins study says (4/2/2011 9:50:27 AM)

Public restrooms make me itch. i avoid them. [:D]



Termyn8or -> RE: Hands-free faucets harbor germs, Johns Hopkins study says (4/2/2011 12:31:48 PM)

"Hands-free faucets harbor germs, Johns Hopkins study says "
Really. Didi it ever occur to anyone that since it is hands free just DON'T FUCKING TOUCH IT ? lol

T^T



Outlier2 -> RE: Hands-free faucets harbor germs, Johns Hopkins study says (4/2/2011 12:50:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

"Hands-free faucets harbor germs, Johns Hopkins study says "
Really. Didi it ever occur to anyone that since it is hands free just DON'T FUCKING TOUCH IT ? lol

T^T


Termy,  You would be better served by reading a post and
the links before you comment on it.

From the article: "But when it became apparent that the automatic faucets harbored far higher levels of Legionella than the manual ones  -- the bacteria were present in 50% of cultured water samples from the electronic-eye faucets tested, but in only 15% of manual faucets tested in the same part of the hospital -- the investigators switched gears.

It is believed the bacteria counts are higher in the electronic faucets because they have a complicated system of valves that is difficult to clean, researchers said." (emphasis added)

So you see touching them or not has nothing to do with it.  It is
the fact that the complex internals give the germs more places to
grow.  An unexpected consequence of the extra parts needed to
make an automatic faucet.





Termyn8or -> RE: Hands-free faucets harbor germs, Johns Hopkins study says (4/2/2011 12:52:48 PM)

No, I meant it more along the lines of - don't piss on your hands.

T^T



pahunkboy -> RE: Hands-free faucets harbor germs, Johns Hopkins study says (4/2/2011 12:55:23 PM)

Bull. 



outhere69 -> RE: Hands-free faucets harbor germs, Johns Hopkins study says (4/2/2011 1:15:28 PM)

Boy, that wouldn't be the usual swab job to clean that stuff.  You'd need someone with a case of plumber's butt.



Termyn8or -> RE: Hands-free faucets harbor germs, Johns Hopkins study says (4/2/2011 1:16:06 PM)

Hunky, you said that ? Calling bull on me ?

Stop over and watch me wash my hands BEFORE I take a piss and AFTER I eat. But I do wash them before I cook, you can't expect everyone to have an immune system.

T^T



porcelaine -> RE: Hands-free faucets harbor germs, Johns Hopkins study says (4/2/2011 4:11:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: outhere69

Boy, that wouldn't be the usual swab job to clean that stuff.  You'd need someone with a case of plumber's butt.


Intricacies or not. If you've ever watched someone clean a public restroom you'd probably be a little put off. It isn't as if anyone is going behind them to guarantee they've done a thorough job. That's a rarity even in upscale venues.

Namaste,

~porcelaine



outhere69 -> RE: Hands-free faucets harbor germs, Johns Hopkins study says (4/2/2011 5:31:01 PM)

I consider it a good time if they don't have oceans of water on the counters and/or on the terlet!

(I'm a woman of simple needs and figure my immune system's been inoculated from all the air travel I've done!)



porcelaine -> RE: Hands-free faucets harbor germs, Johns Hopkins study says (4/2/2011 5:51:12 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: outhere69

I consider it a good time if they don't have oceans of water on the counters and/or on the terlet!

(I'm a woman of simple needs and figure my immune system's been inoculated from all the air travel I've done!)


i'm too persnickety for that. If it looks off i'm not using it. As for air travel, that's why lounges were created. :)

Namaste,

~porcelaine



MasterCord -> RE: Hands-free faucets harbor germs, Johns Hopkins study says (4/2/2011 5:51:12 PM)

We began utilizing hands-free faucets on our boats to save water, but the crews complained so much we took them out. Their complaint was that the detection portion of the faucet did not operate reliably and they had to move their hands around to find the "sweet spot" of the detector on any given day to make the faucet work. I know myself that I've experienced that in public restrooms, and have hit my hands on the underside/opening of the faucet while doing that. Perhaps it is that unclean hands hitting the opening in the facuet while seeking to make the faucet work, could also be a source of the germs, and the complex internal fitting situation only makes it worse.

I do note that the problem is in a hospital, not yet claimed to be the case in public restrooms? There was no infection issue on the boats for the 9 months the faucets were aboard some 22 vessels.

MC



MasterCord -> RE: Hands-free faucets harbor germs, Johns Hopkins study says (4/2/2011 5:56:52 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Outlier2

Johns Hopkins has once again supported the old adage.

The more complex you make anything the more likely
it is; something will go wrong.



I was always taught the same thing, namely that you can't break parts you do not have.

MC



MasterCord -> RE: Hands-free faucets harbor germs, Johns Hopkins study says (4/2/2011 6:16:23 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Outlier2

Johns Hopkins has once again supported the old adage.

The more complex you make anything the more likely
it is; something will go wrong.






Those faucets are sold on the basis of saving energy and water. The theory, and also I'd say the actuality, is that when people have cold and hot water they have to turn on to get to a temperature they want, they waste water getting TO that temp, letting water run until they get the temp they want. This wastes water and the energy needed to heat it. So these automatic faucets put out one temperature, receiving in our case pre-mixed hot and cold water in predetermined ratios and the water hits your hand as soon as (..in theory...) you put your hand under them, instead of you taking 5 or 10 seconds to run the water from the H/C sides to get a temp then put your hands under it. They do work well that way...they did save water though we had no way to measure the energy savings given we run on generators with a whole raft of other electrical loads cycling on and off.

For those with nothing better to do, or a thirst.....for knowledge....the following is available. They seem pretty adamant here that the presence sensor is pretty reliable technology.....yet that is what seemed to be the weakness in the ones we had. http://www.macfaucets.com/how-automatic-faucets-work.html

MC



Termyn8or -> RE: Hands-free faucets harbor germs, Johns Hopkins study says (4/3/2011 12:39:53 AM)

FR

You people are nuts. What you need to sterilize your hands after touching a "public" doorknob ? Yes some actually say that !

Know what ? Take your antiseptic life and shove it. Make sure it never gets a sunburn. I have been smoking, drinking and doing drugs for forty years and the doc says I can live another fifty if I live right.

I'll drink to that.

Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Guess what - that's dirt. That's what we are.

T^T



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