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RE: Indiana passes first part of vote to ban same sex m... - 4/2/2011 5:48:36 AM   
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HUH?????

And I do have a penis, and I'm rather proud of it.

But what does this have to do with the topic, or are you just somewhat confused?


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RE: Indiana passes first part of vote to ban same sex m... - 4/2/2011 5:58:45 AM   
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RE: Indiana passes first part of vote to ban same sex m... - 4/2/2011 6:07:02 AM   
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Wow and here I thought the idiot had just forgotten to write anything. Silly me.


To the OP. I agree with tazzy. I think it would have been a lot easier if they had gone after civil unions first. And Irish, I would try to explain the mentality, but I have no clue.


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RE: Indiana passes first part of vote to ban same sex m... - 4/2/2011 6:34:08 AM   
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This is just another consequence of those people who voted for Republicans or didn't vote at all last November. These new elected officials are mostly very socially conservative and are only interested in trying to "win" the culture war.

As far as this bill is concerned once DOMA is tossed out this bill would violate Full Faith and be tossed out by the first federal judge who gets to review it.

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RE: Indiana passes first part of vote to ban same sex m... - 4/2/2011 7:22:42 AM   
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As far as this bill is concerned once DOMA is tossed out this bill would violate Full Faith and be tossed out by the first federal judge who gets to review it.

That's what I would have figured, but this here
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Since 1986, Indiana law has limited marriage to one man and one woman. State law also bars recognizing gay marriages performed elsewhere.

Kruse and other supporters said a constitutional amendment will ensure a judge can't someday find those laws discriminatory and strike them down.


states that a judge will not be able to dispute it.

Or are they only referring to state judges and not federal?

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RE: Indiana passes first part of vote to ban same sex m... - 4/2/2011 7:41:29 AM   
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New journal post... for those who watch.. off the bed.


HUH?????

And I do have a penis, and I'm rather proud of it.

But what does this have to do with the topic, or are you just somewhat confused?


I vote for lost



His penis?

Of course

Lost...or shall we say...non-existant?


Actually it's massive.

I have penis reduction surgery scheduled for next week.

They are going to shrink it to ten inches.


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RE: Indiana passes first part of vote to ban same sex m... - 4/2/2011 7:59:40 AM   
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states that a judge will not be able to dispute it.

Or are they only referring to state judges and not federal?


It's called a pipe dream. 

When it goes to the Fed it can still be struck down.

It's always great to know we have people who are so proud of their bias they wish to make discrimination legal and constitutionally protected.

Compared to other problems both the Country and the States have wasting time on this is utter stupidity.



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RE: Indiana passes first part of vote to ban same sex m... - 4/2/2011 10:39:01 AM   
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As far as this bill is concerned once DOMA is tossed out this bill would violate Full Faith and be tossed out by the first federal judge who gets to review it.

That's what I would have figured, but this here
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Since 1986, Indiana law has limited marriage to one man and one woman. State law also bars recognizing gay marriages performed elsewhere.

Kruse and other supporters said a constitutional amendment will ensure a judge can't someday find those laws discriminatory and strike them down.


states that a judge will not be able to dispute it.

Or are they only referring to state judges and not federal?

DOMA specifically allows states to not recognize same sex marriages performed in other states. Once DOMA is itself ruled unconstitutional then the various state laws refusing to recognize other states marriages is a violation of the Full Faith clause.

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RE: Indiana passes first part of vote to ban same sex m... - 4/2/2011 10:53:51 AM   
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Will it pass? That depends. California probably would have rejected Prop. 8, except it was on the same ballot as Obama, and the heavier black turnout put it over the top.

I have very deep family roots in Southern Indiana, but only lived there briefly, and have decided it is best not to talk politics with the kin back there. I can't offer much specific insight on the broader mood of the state.

I do agree with Governor Daniels that a "truce" on social issues would be the best option as we address the challenges the US of A must turn it's collective attention to.

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RE: Indiana passes first part of vote to ban same sex m... - 4/2/2011 6:06:56 PM   
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I truly did not want this to become a discussion over 'personal' feelings about this. I really am interested in the political side of the proposal here.

From the pieces I can remember hearing on the news, it is my understanding that the general population within Indiana ( and I am not referring to the fuckhead politicians, I mean the actual general population) does NOT want this to become a part of the constitution. In fact, they are adamantly opposed to it.

YET, it has passed the first phase to becoming an amendment. Which to me, means that our wonderful elected officials are not following what WE, the general public want; they are following some other political agenda.

I just don't understand politics enough to understand how this could have even gotten as far as it has. THAT is what I am trying to understand.

What possible political agenda could be important enough for these elected officials to jepordize their seats by passing something that nobody wants passed? And yes, this is a hot issue in the state of Indiana.

Confusion and me do not sit well


There are a few reasons why voting to ban gay marriage is still a "winning" political move, even though most Americans are against banning it, and polls are now popping up showing outright majorities in favor of legalizing it.

1.  Primaries matter, and force politicians away from the center.  Especially in states with closed primaries, the center, even though it contains most Americans, is a political "dead zone," where a politician can't win either primary, so his or her theoretical popularity with most Americans is meaningless.

2.  Most Americans don't really care about gay marriage.  It should be the unanimous view, but it's only the large majority view, that most heterosexual Americans think "I'm not gay, so I'm not affected by this."  Even though most straight Americans don't feel gay marriage should be banned, they also don't care enough about it to penalize a politician who does think so.

3.  On the other hand, the collective boner the Religious Right gets from being legally allowed to discriminate against a group of people and then tell them they're the ones going to hell for it DOES make a big difference.  Fight to ban gay marriage, and you'll immediately pick up a fundraising and gotv organization behind you for free!

4.  Not everyone votes.  We tend to think of an election as a fixed group of people picking between candidate A and candidate B, but that's not how elections work in the United States.  Instead you have a group of people supporting candidate A that may or may not vote, a group supporting candidate B that may or may not vote, and a group of undecided voters who, if they show up at all, will probably vote for the guy with the better hair or cooler name, or simply the first name on the ballot.  More Americans might support legalizing gay marriage, but voting against gay marriage gets the social conservatives much more excited to vote then voting for gay marriage gets the majority excited to vote.

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RE: Indiana passes first part of vote to ban same sex m... - 4/2/2011 7:57:18 PM   
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... Meh, support democracy. Bend over and lube up.

This isn't news. Apparently a man and a woman who absolutely despise each other have more of a right to be married than two men, or two women who love each other.

This is what religion has to offer me. And people think it's strange when I decline.

On the political side of the issue, again, no surprise that laws are being passed that have no benefit to society, and only exist as a re-election platform. What I'd give for congressional term limits...

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