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Lucylastic -> GOP Plans 1 trillion $ cut to Medicaid? (4/1/2011 4:37:24 AM)
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0311/52314.html House Republicans are planning to cut roughly $1 trillion over 10 years from Medicaid, the government health insurance program for the poor and disabled, as part of their fiscal 2012 budget, which they will unveil early next month, according to several GOP sources. Though Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan has yet to lock in his final numbers, he made clear to POLITICO in February that he intends to target Medicaid and Medicare for savings. While Medicaid is easiest to win consensus on, Medicare is the biggest debt driver. It’s not yet clear how much Ryan hopes to cut from Medicare, and he and GOP leaders have been reluctant to discuss their plans for the other entitlement behemoth: Social Security. But they’ve made clear that they don’t consider Social Security to be as pressing an issue as Medicare and Medicaid. yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyay REPUBLICANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Are they purposefully looking to lose in 2012? is that sposed to trickle up to the rich and corps? or thin the herd even smaller Millions on medicare/aid??? noo not anymore, they erm found jobs...as statistics

joether -> RE: GOP Plans 1 trillion $ cut to Medicaid? (4/1/2011 4:48:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0311/52314.html House Republicans are planning to cut roughly $1 trillion over 10 years from Medicaid, the government health insurance program for the poor and disabled, as part of their fiscal 2012 budget, which they will unveil early next month, according to several GOP sources. Though Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan has yet to lock in his final numbers, he made clear to POLITICO in February that he intends to target Medicaid and Medicare for savings. While Medicaid is easiest to win consensus on, Medicare is the biggest debt driver. It’s not yet clear how much Ryan hopes to cut from Medicare, and he and GOP leaders have been reluctant to discuss their plans for the other entitlement behemoth: Social Security. But they’ve made clear that they don’t consider Social Security to be as pressing an issue as Medicare and Medicaid. yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyay REPUBLICANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Are they purposefully looking to lose in 2012? is that sposed to trickle up to the rich and corps? or thin the herd even smaller Millions on medicare/aid??? noo not anymore, they erm found jobs...as statistics Yes, it also has to pass.... THE SENATE.... AND.... The Office of the President. So what really is the purpose of this exercise by Republicans in the House: Waste Money and do NOTHING useful. Funny that conservatives bitch about Democrats 'wasting' money, and yet, give a total pass and 'blank check' to Republicans to do the exact same thing. So how much does $100 Billion buy the USA in jobs? Do any of the conservatives on this forum even have a remote clue? And if those jobs are not active, because the money isn't there; what happens FURTHER down the river, in terms of jobs?

subrob1967 -> RE: GOP Plans 1 trillion $ cut to Medicaid? (4/1/2011 6:43:26 AM)
Surely those programs can be targeted for cuts now that we have Obamacare, right? We really don't need three government plans, do we? If everyone is forced into buying health insurance via Obamacare, everyone covered by Medicaid will already have insurance coverage, right? Oh that's right, Obama has issued so many fucking Obamacare wavers that Medicaid is more important than ever...Gotta take care of those poor SEIU, McDonald's, and Walmart peons, don't we...

tazzygirl -> RE: GOP Plans 1 trillion $ cut to Medicaid? (4/1/2011 7:27:24 AM)
quote: Surely those programs can be targeted for cuts now that we have Obamacare, right? We really don't need three government plans, do we? Three? Having trouble counting, rob? Medicaid, Medicare, SCHIP, Tricare, and the VHA. And, I do love how well you know the law you are slamming. Medicaid is supposed to be expanded under the HCL, which is why its on the GOP hit list parade.

Lucylastic -> RE: GOP Plans 1 trillion $ cut to Medicaid? (4/1/2011 7:40:35 AM)
Hey Tazz, I was so unsurprised, I thought I would leave a response for a while,

tazzygirl -> RE: GOP Plans 1 trillion $ cut to Medicaid? (4/1/2011 7:45:11 AM)
quote: Are they purposefully looking to lose in 2012? The GOP has targeted women, children and the poor. Targeted Unions, the unemployed and immigrants. The only ones the GOP has looked after are rich white americans.

slvemike4u -> RE: GOP Plans 1 trillion $ cut to Medicaid? (4/1/2011 7:48:53 AM)
And still they claim that this is about the deficit,rather than what it actually is...and always has been.The same old culture war ,with the same targets they have always targeted....yanno the ones where no matter the cuts,hell even if they eliminated the programs,they hardly make a dent in the damm deficit.[8\|]

Lucylastic -> RE: GOP Plans 1 trillion $ cut to Medicaid? (4/1/2011 12:00:05 PM)
with all the abortion bills being put up, is more than a little scary, with the rest of it, , how anyone can not see what the only people being harmed here are the usual ones yet, people still think its right to kick the poor, sick, welfare and unemployed down as their "own fault" sickening, so bloody sickening.

tazzygirl -> RE: GOP Plans 1 trillion $ cut to Medicaid? (4/1/2011 12:01:56 PM)
It is sickening... but.. the election season is coming around. While I would never declare a victory for Dems this early, I do forsee huge changes in people occupying public office.

isoladyboss -> RE: GOP Plans 1 trillion $ cut to Medicaid? (4/1/2011 12:37:32 PM)
Lots of social programs could have been funded with the $550,000,000 Obama spent bombing Libya. Its really hard to credibly fault the GOP for cuts when Obama maintains wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, and throws money at Muslim Insurgents in Libya. Obama has chosen to piss away huge sums of money on the wars he continues to prosecute. Obama has exposed the fiction that the GOP is more evil than the Democrats. The DNC can't run on an anti-war platform, can't run on opposition to Wall Street bailouts, can't run on opposition to Insurance bailouts, can't run on opposition to Auto maker bailouts, can't run on closing Guantanamo, can't run on real employment figures, can't credibly run on the erosion of civil liberties (Obama renewed the Patriot Act), can't run against "no child left behind", the deficit just seems to be climbing, Obamacare penalties will be revving up soon as well. Obama can't run on "change", he can't blame the "Decider". Obama is stuck with a record that looks a lot like his predecessors only with more Socialism and Insurance industry entitlements (buy the Insurer's product or face IRS penalties). The DNC has very few options left to them and all are non-starters except among their hard core base. The DNC is forced to try to use fear of the Tea Party and Sarah Palin. Anti abortionists are a good fall back but its not nearly enough. The DNC tries to cook the books on unemployment. Since benefits run out for the long term unemployed those folks stop applying. The way unemployment figures are tracked now excludes a large sector of unemployed citizens. This will be an "anyone but Obama" election in 2012. The Democrats are going to get "shellacked" unless the GOP self destructs. The elections of 2010 were a reaction to Obama's bad policy and he looks even more incompetent now. Jimmy Carter was a brilliant leader compared to Obama.

mnottertail -> RE: GOP Plans 1 trillion $ cut to Medicaid? (4/1/2011 12:50:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: isoladyboss Lots of social programs could have been funded with the $550,000,000 Obama spent bombing Libya. Its really hard to credibly fault the GOP for cuts when Obama maintains wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, and throws money at Muslim Insurgents in Libya. Obama has chosen to piss away huge sums of money on the wars he continues to prosecute. Obama has exposed the fiction that the GOP is more evil than the Democrats. The DNC can't run on an anti-war platform, can't run on opposition to Wall Street bailouts, can't run on opposition to Insurance bailouts, can't run on opposition to Auto maker bailouts, can't run on closing Guantanamo, can't run on real employment figures, can't credibly run on the erosion of civil liberties (Obama renewed the Patriot Act), can't run against "no child left behind", the deficit just seems to be climbing, Obamacare penalties will be revving up soon as well. Obama can't run on "change", he can't blame the "Decider". Obama is stuck with a record that looks a lot like his predecessors only with more Socialism and Insurance industry entitlements (buy the Insurer's product or face IRS penalties). The DNC has very few options left to them and all are non-starters except among their hard core base. The DNC is forced to try to use fear of the Tea Party and Sarah Palin. Anti abortionists are a good fall back but its not nearly enough. The DNC tries to cook the books on unemployment. Since benefits run out for the long term unemployed those folks stop applying. The way unemployment figures are tracked now excludes a large sector of unemployed citizens. This will be an "anyone but Obama" election in 2012. The Democrats are going to get "shellacked" unless the GOP self destructs. The elections of 2010 were a reaction to Obama's bad policy and he looks even more incompetent now. Jimmy Carter was a brilliant leader compared to Obama. 1. Lots of social programs and infrastructure could have been funded with the more than trillion dollars spent on Iraq by Bush et al. 2. The house controls the money, they could defund them today, this is a dishonest as they come argument (remembering that you have expertise in the war powers resolution). 3. It is not a matter of lesser of two very evils. 4. Nor can the right of any shade. 5. I don't think that's gonna be a problem, looking at the current republican miasmas across this country and capital. 6. Nobody is going to look as bad as W. Nobody. 7. I was unaware they were casting about for options, I think they are very happy at this time with the slaughter about to befall you guys. 8. Nobody, and I mean nobody is afraid of Palin. Nobody, and I mean nobody is afraid of 3 baggers in the government. 9. The book cooking is less than under Bush. 10. The GOP is self-destructing, pick up a newspaper, give it a read. 11. And what competence has been demonstrated by some other individual or party machinery that should rock him back on his heels? 12. Now, if more people would have listened to him, we wouldn't be in any of these fixes. 11.

Lucylastic -> RE: GOP Plans 1 trillion $ cut to Medicaid? (4/1/2011 1:21:17 PM)
I have never heard such a load of old twaddle in one post, To start with, please dont try and posit that the cuts are because of libya, what utter horse crap FEAR the teaparty, Ive been more scared of smurfs Fear Palin?? hardly, she is a walking circus The rest of it even even worth responding to, two years and Obama is at fault for all this?? Whatever you are drinking is affecting more than your liver and short term memory. If he had been shellacked, he would have lost the senate too, but... nope...just didnt happen, and wont next time truly a funny funny post twaddley funny

Lucylastic -> RE: GOP Plans 1 trillion $ cut to Medicaid? (4/1/2011 1:23:43 PM)
OK, What Ron said too:)

Moonhead -> RE: GOP Plans 1 trillion $ cut to Medicaid? (4/1/2011 1:26:01 PM)
Of course Obama is to blame for all of this: he'll still be to be blame for whatever's wrong in America in 2018. The GOP likes to have a democrat in power every three or four terms so they can spend a Presidency or two blaming all the shit they've fucked up on the evil liberal who was running the country before, don't they?

isoLadyOwner -> RE: GOP Plans 1 trillion $ cut to Medicaid? (4/1/2011 1:37:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail quote: ORIGINAL: isoladyboss Lots of social programs could have been funded with the $550,000,000 Obama spent bombing Libya. Its really hard to credibly fault the GOP for cuts when Obama maintains wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, and throws money at Muslim Insurgents in Libya. Obama has chosen to piss away huge sums of money on the wars he continues to prosecute. Obama has exposed the fiction that the GOP is more evil than the Democrats. The DNC can't run on an anti-war platform, can't run on opposition to Wall Street bailouts, can't run on opposition to Insurance bailouts, can't run on opposition to Auto maker bailouts, can't run on closing Guantanamo, can't run on real employment figures, can't credibly run on the erosion of civil liberties (Obama renewed the Patriot Act), can't run against "no child left behind", the deficit just seems to be climbing, Obamacare penalties will be revving up soon as well. Obama can't run on "change", he can't blame the "Decider". Obama is stuck with a record that looks a lot like his predecessors only with more Socialism and Insurance industry entitlements (buy the Insurer's product or face IRS penalties). The DNC has very few options left to them and all are non-starters except among their hard core base. The DNC is forced to try to use fear of the Tea Party and Sarah Palin. Anti abortionists are a good fall back but its not nearly enough. The DNC tries to cook the books on unemployment. Since benefits run out for the long term unemployed those folks stop applying. The way unemployment figures are tracked now excludes a large sector of unemployed citizens. This will be an "anyone but Obama" election in 2012. The Democrats are going to get "shellacked" unless the GOP self destructs. The elections of 2010 were a reaction to Obama's bad policy and he looks even more incompetent now. Jimmy Carter was a brilliant leader compared to Obama. 1. Lots of social programs and infrastructure could have been funded with the more than trillion dollars spent on Iraq by Bush et al. 2. The house controls the money, they could defund them today, this is a dishonest as they come argument (remembering that you have expertise in the war powers resolution). 3. It is not a matter of lesser of two very evils. 4. Nor can the right of any shade. 5. I don't think that's gonna be a problem, looking at the current republican miasmas across this country and capital. 6. Nobody is going to look as bad as W. Nobody. 7. I was unaware they were casting about for options, I think they are very happy at this time with the slaughter about to befall you guys. 8. Nobody, and I mean nobody is afraid of Palin. Nobody, and I mean nobody is afraid of 3 baggers in the government. 9. The book cooking is less than under Bush. 10. The GOP is self-destructing, pick up a newspaper, give it a read. 11. And what competence has been demonstrated by some other individual or party machinery that should rock him back on his heels? 12. Now, if more people would have listened to him, we wouldn't be in any of these fixes. 11. High unemployment is often the bane of sitting Presidents. Obama may see re-election even with actual unemployment figures hovering in the low double digits. I'm no fan of the GOP. I'm a fiscal conservative but liberal on personal freedoms and social issues. I think running a huge deficit (largely due to wars) is bad for the country. I really did consider the Democrats the lesser of two evils. The GOP looks out for my interests on a financial level but I see them as a bitter pill forced on me by middle america. I have never voted GOP but never been fond of the DNC. Obama's policies only vary from the "Deciders" in ways that kind of hurt on my end. I know of at least one recession proof small business that saw its health insurance premiums go through the roof after Obamacare was passed, adding an additional expense made it less likely we will hire. I believe higher taxes can also chill job creation. Big business got Obamacare exemptions and still exports jobs. Small businesses take the brunt of raised health insurance premiums since they don't get Obamacare exemptions. Maybe its a bad choice to have health insurance as a job benefit... Then Obama spends $550,000,000 for bombs in Libya (so far) and may be arming the Libyan Rebels but might not. What guys am I though? I don't like Glen Beck or Rush Limbaugh, I don't watch CNN, and I stopped reading the NYT when it stopped running "Faces of the Fallen" (after Obama was eleced). I get my news from UK sources for the most part (cue up an insult about UK tabloids). What slaughter are you referring to? The "shellacking" of 2010 really happened and the GOP put up some god awful people who actually took Congressional seats. If lots of jobs are created and the US economy imprones, Obama will be fine. We'll see what happens in 2012.

mnottertail -> RE: GOP Plans 1 trillion $ cut to Medicaid? (4/1/2011 1:46:37 PM)
What slaughter are you referring to? The "shellacking" of 2010 really happened and the GOP put up some god awful people who actually took Congressional seats. That was the same guys (and roughly) same number that came in Ws last couple years,that were tossed, it's a short cycle in the middle of the aisles in the house, and if there is not some substantial shit gonna happen, the new influx of republican clowns is out the fuckin door, and a newer influx of democratic clowns comes in, until somebody gets this shit fixed, or we auger it in altogether. Then it will be ALL new clowns top to bottom, who, though no different than before, will have different names other than clown, or democrat or republican. Anyway, these fucksticks are sitting around like deer caught in the headlights, frozen, going, Jesus Christ!!??!! WE Did this shit??!! This is bad!! How the fuck could we ever get out of this.

isoLadyOwner -> RE: GOP Plans 1 trillion $ cut to Medicaid? (4/1/2011 2:23:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail What slaughter are you referring to? The "shellacking" of 2010 really happened and the GOP put up some god awful people who actually took Congressional seats. That was the same guys (and roughly) same number that came in Ws last couple years,that were tossed, it's a short cycle in the middle of the aisles in the house, and if there is not some substantial shit gonna happen, the new influx of republican clowns is out the fuckin door, and a newer influx of democratic clowns comes in, until somebody gets this shit fixed, or we auger it in altogether. Then it will be ALL new clowns top to bottom, who, though no different than before, will have different names other than clown, or democrat or republican. Anyway, these fucksticks are sitting around like deer caught in the headlights, frozen, going, Jesus Christ!!??!! WE Did this shit??!! This is bad!! How the fuck could we ever get out of this. Its definitely a cycle of clowns. There are lots of closed businesses, that along with the high cost of gas, and rediculously overqualified job applicants seem to dispute otimistic polls (at least in my area). Actual unemployment will be the deciding factor in Obama's re-election. The Tea Party folks will probably see the door in 2012 and you're right they will likely be replaced by Democrats. I kind of agree with you on the inevitable GOP Congressional losses.

Selectivelight -> RE: GOP Plans 1 trillion $ cut to Medicaid? (4/1/2011 2:27:46 PM)
Here is the one thing about this that pisses me off - Instead of cutting the programs that are actually beneficial to the average American, why couldn't congress just stop tacking on bullshit spending in every bill? Furthermore, why the fuck am I paying into social security, when it won't exist by the time I'm ready to use it?

mnottertail -> RE: GOP Plans 1 trillion $ cut to Medicaid? (4/1/2011 2:30:56 PM)
Better yet. Why not slash the shit out of the military. Fuck some of this tech, reinstate the draft. You understand the military is like the hard drive on your computer, it don't matter how big a disk you buy, it is gonna get filled up. Give em money and they are gonna make some war with it somehow.

tazzygirl -> RE: GOP Plans 1 trillion $ cut to Medicaid? (4/1/2011 10:18:15 PM)
quote: Obama may see re-election even with actual unemployment figures hovering in the low double digits. quote: can't run on real employment figures Unemployment, the U6 figures, was double digits for most of 2003. Currently, its down from a high of 17.3 to 15.7. Amazingly enough, it was 14.0 when Obama took office. Do you honestly think people dont remember who was in office when the "bubble" burst? quote: The DNC tries to cook the books on unemployment. Since benefits run out for the long term unemployed those folks stop applying. The way unemployment figures are tracked now excludes a large sector of unemployed citizens. Wrong. There are different numbers. U3 is the "official" number. U6 includes everyone who wants to work. Here is the break down.... •U1: This is the proportion of the civilian labor force that has been unemployed for 15 weeks or longer. This unemployment rate measures workers who are chronically unemployed. During business-cycle expansions, this rate captures structural unemployment. However, during lengthy business-cycle contractions, this rate is also likely to include a significant amount of cyclical unemployment. U1 tends to be relatively small, in the range of 1-2 percent. •U2: This is the proportion of the civilian labor force that is classified as job losers (workers who have been involuntarily fired or laid off from their jobs) and people who have completed temporary jobs. During business-cycle expansions, this rate is likely to capture some degree of frictional unemployment. However, during business-cycle contractions, this rate is most likely to consist of cyclical unemployment. U2 is larger than U1, but still remains substantially less than the official unemployment rate (U3). •U3: This is the official unemployment rate, which is the proportion of the civilian labor force that is unemployed but actively seeking employment. •U4: This is the official unemployment rate that is adjusted for discouraged workers. In other words, discouraged workers are treated just like other workers who are officially classified as unemployed, being included in both the ranks of the unemployed and the labor force. It is technically specified as the proportion of the civilian labor force (plus discouraged workers) that is either unemployed but actively seeking employment or discouraged workers. The addition of discouraged workers generally adds a few tenths of a percentage point to the official unemployment rate. •U5: This augments U4 by including marginally-attached workers to the unemployment rate calculation. Marginally attached workers are potential workers who have given up seeking employment for various reasons. One of these reasons is that the workers believe such effort would be futile, which places them in the discouraged worker category. Those who have other reasons for not seeking employment are placed in the broader marginally-attached workers category. The addition of marginally-attached workers adds a few more tenths of a percentage point to the official unemployment rate. •U6: This augments U5 by including part-time workers to the unemployment rate calculation. The addition of part-time workers adds a full 2-3 percentage points to the official unemployment rate. This measure of unemployment is perhaps the most comprehensive measure of labor resource unemployment available. http://portalseven.com/employment/unemployment_rate_u6.jsp U6 is the "real" unemployment number. No one is left out.

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