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Termyn8or -> Philosophy ? (3/24/2011 1:36:47 PM)

As y'all know I don't defrag because I don't delete anything. I ran across this in my archives and haven't seen it for some time so I thought I would post it here.

"A professor stood before his philosophy class and had some items in front of him. When the class began, wordlessly, he picked up a very large and empty mayonnaise jar and proceeded to fill it with golf balls. He then asked the students if the jar was full. They agreed that it was.

The professor then picked up a box of pebbles and poured them into the jar. He shook the jar lightly. The pebbles rolled into the open areas between the golf balls. He then asked the students again if the jar was full. They agreed it was.

The professor next picked up a box of sand and poured it into the jar. Of course, the sand filled up everything else. He asked once more if the jar was full. The students responded with an unanimous "yes."

The professor then produced two cups of coffee from under the table and poured the liquid into the jar, effectively filling the empty space between the sand. The students laughed.

"Now," said the professor, as the laughter subsided, "I want you to recognize that this jar represents your life. The golf balls are the important things - God, family, children, health, friends, and favorite passions -- things that if everything else was lost and only they remained, your life would still be full. The pebbles are the other things that matter like your job, house, and car. The sand is everything else -- the small stuff. "If you put the sand into the jar first," he continued, "There is no room for the pebbles or the golf balls. "

Part of the reason my cellphone doesn't take pictures, I don't have a plasma TV or cable, and out of the hundred or so cars I've had, only two had delay wipers that worked. This shit means nothing to me. And it's also why alot of other things.

There are two ways to make it in life. One is to persue the almighty dollar. To lust after it, to crave and acquire it at all cost. The other is to reduce outlay, I know people who have more junk than useful stuff. I mean beanie babies and junk like that. I mean $100+ a month cable bills. I mean a Caddilac SUV. I mean all the junk "we" seem to "need. Find a happy medium.

Get out of the loop. Stop the flow of junk. In the long run, we'll be much better off. Half of the personal debt in this country is caused by keeping up with the Jones'es. Let the Jones'es have their toys. If they don't let you play with them, do what I do. Go home and broil you up a filet mignon and fry up some shrimp. Get in your rustbucket and go visit some friends and don't worry about what the valet says. In fact tell the valet to be "Be careful, all this shit happened last time I was here.

Get a fucking joke out of life. We joke about everything, and everything. Nothing is sacred, nothing is all that real. Nothing can stop you, or me except death. When that comes, don't come crying to----anyone :-)

He/she doesn't like me. Boo hoo. Fukum. The IRS wants my money. Keep it hidden and just dribble them enough to shut them up. Health problems ? Tell the doc to "cut it out".

Nothing can stop you. But you have to decide - stop you from what ?

When I was a kid I was happy with just about nothing, living on tomato soup and macaroni. I was a little fat fuck, and picked on from time to time until I got tough. Life is just a test. Play the game of life, rather than the game of garbage. And I am here to tell you by personal knowledge, everything in your house, driveway and garage is garbage. It is transitory and therefore irrelevant.

I have lost more than most people have ever had and you know what ? I don't fucking care, not one iota.

T^T




CreepyStalker -> RE: Philosophy ? (3/24/2011 1:45:06 PM)

Why on earth would a philosophy professor be giving bullshitty clichéd life-coaching advice to a class of students rather than teaching them philosophy? I'd have been rather annoyed if any of my philosophy lecturers had ever tried to do that. 




Termyn8or -> RE: Philosophy ? (3/24/2011 1:52:18 PM)

Then it is obvious you don't get the point.

T^T




Palliata -> RE: Philosophy ? (3/24/2011 1:56:44 PM)

Going to disagree, overall. There is a third way: Achieve enough traditional (which is to say, financial) success to have the things taht are important to you materially, and spend the remaining time with the rest of that. The people I've met who could be happy pursuing only the 'core,' as it were, always seemed to do so through a kind of zen-like self restraint, a conscious alteration of their own paradigm to agree with that philosophy.

To me, that's putting the cart before the horse - they've decided what they want to be happy about, then worked to make that true, instead of acknowledging what makes them happy and pursuing it. Perhaps you're different, perhaps you actually sprang from the womb with no serious desire for pebbles or sand, but that would make you unique in my experience.




CreepyStalker -> RE: Philosophy ? (3/24/2011 1:58:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

Then it is obvious you don't get the point.

T^T


lol :-)




gungadin09 -> RE: Philosophy ? (3/24/2011 6:59:53 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
...The golf balls are the important things - God, family, children, health, friends, and favorite passions....The pebbles are the other things that matter like your job, house, and car. The sand is... the small stuff.


i think that's excellent advice, as long as you understand-- one person's golf ball is another person's sand. What's most important and what's trivial are going to be different for each person.

pam




stellauk -> RE: Philosophy ? (3/24/2011 7:39:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

There are two ways to make it in life. One is to persue the almighty dollar. To lust after it, to crave and acquire it at all cost. The other is to reduce outlay,



Disagree with this completely. It's not your relationship with money which gets you anywhere in life. There's something way more important than that.

People. How you communicate with people and get on with them determines your success or failure more than anything else.




Kaliko -> RE: Philosophy ? (3/24/2011 8:27:35 PM)

I get it. ...I think.

My dryer broke. I viewed it as an opportunity to save energy and have been hanging my clothes to dry for many months now. My friends think I'm nuts. I still consider myself to be much more fortunate than many people in the world and I won't "waste" my money on something I simply don't need. I can still survive quite nicely.

My dishwasher broke. I viewed it as an opportunity to save water and electricity and have been doing dishes by hand, also for many months now. My friends think I'm nuts. I still consider myself to be much more fortunate than many people in the world and I won't "waste" my money on something I simply don't need. I can still survive quite nicely.

My oven broke. I viewed it as an opportunity to simplify my cooking and have been revising the way I eat and cook, also for many months now. My friends think I'm nuts. I still consider myself to be much more fortunate than many people in the world and I won't "waste" my money on something I simply don't need. I can still survive quite nicely.

On the one hand, I have to wonder how shallow we as a society have become that the fact that I am happily living without these luxuries, when I've previously had them, is such a horror to others. Isn't what's most important the fact that I have heat and food and medical care? Does it really matter if I have to make a stir-fry versus a casserole, or that I hang my pants to dry rather than soften them up artifically in an expensive torrent of heat and noise? Isn't it more important that I save my money for what may really be needed one day instead of spending it on luxuries, like appliances, that millions of people over millions of years have lived without quite nicely?

On the other hand, when do I stop? I won't buy a rug for my floor because I'm convinced I will braid one myself from scraps and old clothes. I can't stand to buy bread or pasta because I can make it myself. (Assuming a working oven.) My computer that I'm typing on right now? It's held together with duct tape and twine. I literally rebuilt the thing myself. Even so, I consider myself fortunate to have a computer at all, never mind Internet access, and to have the ability to go to the store to buy flour to make pasta and bread, and to have a warm house to braid a rug in and keep it dry until it's completed.

So, when one lives this way (and I am not extreme by any means, I know)...at what point does it become actually detrimental to not take advantage of all that society has to offer? Is there really a reason to not have a plasma TV? (Or a new dryer or oven?) If it makes your life easier or more pleasurable, why is it considered trivial? And don't get me wrong...I agree. I have old, giant tube TV's in my house and will keep them until they die - no need for a flat screen. But...is it silly to deny ourselves of something that might simply bring us joy or ease? Is it really so bad for someone to find enjoyment through something that costs money or is new? At what point does denial of the luxuries of life, based solely on principle, become us just lowering our expectations so much that we deny ourselves simple basics of the society in which we are lucky enough to live?

I wonder, sometimes, if everyone else in the world is as shallow as everyone else thinks they are. I bet everyone has their own version of what you originally posted...everyone has their values and what they consider to be important. Is one set of values any more worthy of scorn than another? That's kind of like playing God, isn't it?




kdsub -> RE: Philosophy ? (3/24/2011 8:55:20 PM)

Nah... you can put the sand in first... you just have to shake things up for the rest to fit.

It all sounds so nice but in reality that damn sand always gets in your butt crack.

Butch




Termyn8or -> RE: Philosophy ? (3/24/2011 11:47:04 PM)

FR

And when your house burns down and all your sand is gone, but your loved ones are alive and well...........

Or would you leave them in there to get you silver, your ipod or your cellphone ?

I don't see how this is so hard to understand.

T^T




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