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hlen5 -> The Rest of The Story....? (3/22/2011 2:25:13 AM)

I heard a story (BBC) of toxic wastes being dumped in Somali waters. It's killing/poisoning the fish and causing birth defects.

http://www.theecologist.org/News/news_analysis/268581/somalia_used_as_toxic_dumping_ground.html

http://sfbayview.com/2009/you-are-being-lied-to-about-pirates/




SexyBossyBBW -> RE: The Rest of The Story....? (3/22/2011 2:45:31 AM)

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An investigation into the murder of the Italian journalist Ilaria Alpi in Somalia in 1994 quotes the warlord Boqor Musa as saying, ‘It is evident those ships carried military equipment for different factions involved in the civil war’, and it is widely believed that Alpi was assassinated because she had incontrovertible evidence of the guns-for-waste trade.
When will these kinds of familiar stories ever end?

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At the same time, the UN and World Bank put together a Joint Needs Assessment (JNA) to plan for Somalia’s return to functioning nationhood. Updated in 2008, it recommends $42.1 million be set aside for environmental activities, including ensuring all ‘toxic waste [is] found and removed’. It doesn’t address the cost of human suffering, however, and ignores the fact that the dumping of toxic waste in Somalia continues to this day.
Field research in Somalia by Zainab Hassan, a former fellow at the University of Minnesota and Environmental Justice Advocate, has brought to light a whole range of chronic and acute illnesses suffered by Somalis.

These include severe birth defects, such as the absence of limbs, and widespread cancers. One local doctor said he had treated more cases of cancer in one year than he had in his entire professional career before the tsunami.

‘Firms are illegally dumping hazardous and nuclear waste,’ says Zainab Hassan. ‘The international community should do something in terms of cleaning up, and those responsible should be brought to justice.’
Cleaning up would be great, but I doubt it's going to be done to the extent it needs, because the countries dumping will find someone to pay off, and "resolve" the problem. Now that it's discovered in Somalia, I wonder what country will get phucked next.
One thing I'm greatful for, is not finding the US in this story. M




hlen5 -> RE: The Rest of The Story....? (3/22/2011 3:07:09 AM)


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ORIGINAL: SexyBossyBBW

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.................At the same time, the UN and World Bank put together a Joint Needs Assessment (JNA) to plan for Somalia’s return to functioning nationhood. Updated in 2008, it recommends $42.1 million be set aside for environmental activities, including ensuring all ‘toxic waste [is] found and removed’. It doesn’t address the cost of human suffering, however, and ignores the fact that the dumping of toxic waste in Somalia continues to this day.
Field research in Somalia by Zainab Hassan, a former fellow at the University of Minnesota and Environmental Justice Advocate, has brought to light a whole range of chronic and acute illnesses suffered by Somalis............

Now that it's discovered in Somalia, I wonder what country will get phucked next.
One thing I'm greatful for, is not finding the US in this story. M


Amen to that!!




hlen5 -> RE: The Rest of The Story....? (3/22/2011 8:34:08 PM)

Another source....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8001183.stm




hlen5 -> RE: The Rest of The Story....? (3/25/2011 3:00:14 PM)

Maybe I should have called this Germany, France and Italy, Oh my!

I'm wondering why so little interest in this after the lengthy pirate threads on here.




Edwynn -> RE: The Rest of The Story....? (3/25/2011 3:39:21 PM)




You forgot Switzerland.

OTOH today's Cheshire cat/shell game corporate nature makes it difficult to ascertain exactly what "nationality" a given large corporation is anymore. Which one of any of these mentioned in various reports are possibly subsidiaries of a larger entity domiciled in another country? Or are the ones named just making final delivery of the hazmat in question that may have originated 2-3 companies further "upstream"? Also, assuming the company doing the dumping are indeed the ones directly responsible for the items in question, what "value-added" or final product was derived that begot this byproduct, and who is this resultant velvet covered jewel being sold to?



Inquiring minds want to know!







Politesub53 -> RE: The Rest of The Story....? (3/25/2011 6:45:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: hlen5

Maybe I should have called this Germany, France and Italy, Oh my!

I'm wondering why so little interest in this after the lengthy pirate threads on here.


This was mentioned on here back in 2009 when the story broke.




hlen5 -> RE: The Rest of The Story....? (3/26/2011 12:23:13 AM)

I remember the Somali waters being overfished by foriegn countries being discussed. I didn't remember toxic/nuclear waste dumping being mentioned.




Aneirin -> RE: The Rest of The Story....? (3/26/2011 5:08:55 AM)

Haven't you realised it yet, the economic world (gullible?) is only told what it needs to know to ensure interest/action.

All the other stories that do not make the big news do so because it does not serve the political/ economic interests of a nation.

As an example for your own interest, why not take a look at all the world's news agencies for things that are happening on a daily basis that do not make it into our sphere of concern.




hlen5 -> RE: The Rest of The Story....? (3/26/2011 10:13:38 AM)

One, I do look at other news agencies reports. Two, I was speaking specifically to the rabble rousers on the P and R thread. People who can get indignant for pages of comment about Palin being called a twat, but seem to have no interest that France, Germany, Italy and probably others are poisoning a foreign country with no consequences.

On the other hand, maybe I missed that part of discussion when the piracy threads were hotter. Politesub pointed out the overfishing by foreigners was discussed.




hlen5 -> RE: The Rest of The Story....? (3/26/2011 10:18:36 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Edwynn


You forgot Switzerland.....




It wouldn't fit with the Wizard of Oz allusion to "Lions, tigers and bears, oh my".




ashjor911 -> RE: The Rest of The Story....? (3/26/2011 10:23:44 AM)

Somali waters, Iraqi Desert, Afghanstan Desert, Pakistan, these was by Americam Army force.
another by what was the last regime in Egypt, Iraq, Kwueit, KSA & some others if I will speak about them i could go behind the sun.
If the Somali waters are not buried story anymore there are alot are deeb Buried in the desert of the Empty Quarter KSA.




hlen5 -> RE: The Rest of The Story....? (3/26/2011 10:28:13 AM)


Ashjor,

I'm not sure what you mean??




Edwynn -> RE: The Rest of The Story....? (3/26/2011 11:20:20 AM)



There is a LOT going on in Syria right now. At present I'm not too worried about if I know what ashjor means or not, I just hope he and family are doing OK.


In any case, I think he is alluding to the necessary waste and byproducts of war buried in the middle east, the depleted uranium shells, the still remaining undetonated cluster bombs, etc. minimally buried everything. Small kids can dig lots of these items up with no problem.







Brain -> RE: The Rest of The Story....? (3/26/2011 12:35:06 PM)

This makes the behaviour of the pirates more understandable. It looks to me like the pirates got fed up with ships loaded with garbage, nuclear waste and poison coming to their country and treating it like a dump. It looks like it’s going to be difficult to make anyone accountable because records have been lost and there is no way to trace the garbage and poison back to its originating country. I think if the Somali people want something done about this they are going to have to have a stable government in place in their country and even then they may have to most of the clean-up themselves. Although I don’t know how they can do it without any help.




ashjor911 -> RE: The Rest of The Story....? (3/26/2011 5:01:54 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Edwynn

There is a LOT going on in Syria right now. At present I'm not too worried about if I know what ashjor means or not, I just hope he and family are doing OK.



I thank you from all of my heart, I am doing ok but right now I don’t have any of what you call (family or dear ones).

Helen there is not only Somali Waters; you can dig around & find out other countries in the area.
This is going to be my last post here until things settle down where I live & maybe I will come back.




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