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stellauk -> RE: Darwin and D/s (3/17/2011 10:24:49 PM)
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Coming back after a discussing on the thread with the OP...
One of the problems I have with Darwin and his theories is that it all appears to be based on predestiny, as if evolution is something which takes place and just happens.
Evolution is driven in my mind by individual creativity and for me creativity is the primary or most fundamental element of not just human nature, but biological nature. At its most primitive level creativity is that will to survive, to develop, to seek food and water, find oneself in the right environment, to procreate and also develop to be stronger, fitter, more aware, more understanding, more intelligent.
Evolution is not really about the survival of the fittest and strongest, but perhaps more about the survival of the more intelligent and creative. Or in one word - thinking.
But evolution isn't just about Nature, it is also the fundamental basis for cognitive learning and developing one's awareness, understanding and perception. It's got everything to do with thinking, communication and behaviour, action, reaction and interaction and it can be said that each and every one of us is following our own individual evolutionary path through "This Lifestyle".
It's about everything in our lives - society, culture, sex, work, family, relationships, even friendships. We live and learn to have relationships, quite literally.
There is no way you can ever hope to learn anything or develop one's awareness, understanding or perception without creativity.
Creativity, like evolution, I believe is cyclical in nature. Take a circle and divide it into quarters, and each quarter represents a specific stage in the creative process.
In the first quarter there is looking at what exists and examining it critically, rejecting it, breaking it down. This is motivated by a need for change. This need for change is synonymous with a need to create.
The second quarter is examining the constituent parts and looking for something better. This requires imagination, it requires the rejection of the existing truth in favour of the illusion of the new truth, which does not yet exist. Therefore it requires some 'belief suspension', i.e. belief in what isn't real or factual, but what is imagined, conceived, envisioned. Simultaneously you are rejecting truth for the illusion, the lie, and in so doing so working to make that lie the truth.
You are creating reality.
The third quarter is to transform that what is the illusion, or the lie, from an imagined concept into the truth or objective (concrete) reality through developing ways of making it happen so that it does become reality and the truth.
The fourth and final quarter is that new truth, that new reality and working to dispel all the illusions, falsehoods and lies.
Lenin once said, 'A lie repeated often enough becomes the truth.' This is why on another thread on lying in Ask A Submissive I stated that it isn't the lie which is important, but the intent and the effect.
I also believe that there is only one constant which exists in the Universe - change. States of permanent unchanging existence or even non-existence are both illusions.
This is why the 'dynamic' is called a 'dynamic' - it is subject to constant change and both Dominant and submissive in a relationship are both working to 'catch the moment' and hold onto it. That 'catching the moment' is the structure of the dynamic, the hierarchy, chain of command, but it is never fixed and so in order to keep being able to 'catch the moment' in their relationship and maintain the structure both need to constantly be creative, to allow for changes and fluctuations in their own thinking, communication and behaviour, just so that they are both able to recreate the dynamic structure in any given situation at will.
This is why 24/7 BDSM TPE in objective physical reality is an illusion, and is only possible as a psychological and emotional concept shared between two or more people (taking into account poly households). This is also why nobody can ever come up with a commonly applicable definition of key terms 'limits', 'slave', 'submissive', 'Master', 'Dominant', outside of cultural and linguistic definitions and parameters.
Prin (the OP) agrees with me in that lying is an 'evolutionary survival mechanism' (her words). I see it similarly but also see it as a test of morality and of moral values and principles.
We all exist online but unlike in real life we have the complete freedom to be who we want to be, believe ourselves to be, or want others to perceive us to be. Everyone else has no other choice but to take you purely at face value, and you have complete freedom to make moral choices and decide whether to be honest and show who you really are in some way online, or to hide behind a persona.
Even when you decide to hide behind a persona you are making a moral choice. Taking into consideration what has been written above, you can quite legitimately create a persona for positive or morally sound reasons, for example for reasons of personal self-development and for your self-preservation.
This is perfectly natural to do so and is no different from the red, black and yellow non-venomous king snake which is imitating the red yellow and black highly venomous coral snake. Knowing which is which requires knowing 'red on yellow, kill a fellow' but clearly indicates the same principle in Nature as the human principle online.
Therefore it is not always the case when someone's online persona doesn't match their real life persona that the intention is always to deceive, mislead, exploit or harm. However the fear and distrust is also quite natural. Far better to consider the possibility that the king snake might be a coral snake than to discover that the coral snake really wasn't a king snake when you have neurotoxic venom in your bloodstream.
Let's face it, a sizeable proporton of these threads on these boards are started on the basis of some illusion - whether it be an inexperienced person seeking the truth in their own illusions by starting the sub/slave or limits threads or through a distorted sense of self through the perceived illusion of social and cultural privilege which starts the endemic fat threads, trans threads, scammer threads, sociopath threads, fake threads and so on.
I wouid even contend that evolution and survival is a matter of mental effort and individual creativity over stuff like looks, appearance, body size, gender and sexual orientation and it is this in reality - and not the commonly accepted hierarchy of social privilege - which determines who survives here and evolves in a BDSM sense and who doesn't.
And it is where the mental effort and individual creativity ends that the problems we all eprceive and many experience begin.
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