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Dose anybody know where I can try.... - 3/2/2011 1:11:03 PM   
Leovinus


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Status: offline 		Hi All. I just found some pictures of a none lethal but extreme looking electric chair on flickr on the following link: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mistresscheri/3927019287/ I was just wondering if anybody knows where I could find somebody in the UK with one of these because I would really love to have a go in one! Any info would be greatly appreciated.
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RE: Dose anybody know where I can try.... - 3/3/2011 1:21:48 AM   
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RE: Dose anybody know where I can try.... - 3/3/2011 4:57:21 AM   
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There are a few sellers of electrostim toys and products in the UK, have you tried asking them?

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RE: Dose anybody know where I can try.... - 3/3/2011 5:06:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		Oh, you poor Brits. Like stainlesss steel appliances and granite countertops, such chairs have been standard household equipment in the States for almost a decade.

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RE: Dose anybody know where I can try.... - 3/3/2011 8:29:03 AM   
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Oh, you poor Brits. Like stainlesss steel appliances and granite countertops, such chairs have been standard household equipment in the States for almost a decade.



We are such a backward country...

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RE: Dose anybody know where I can try.... - 3/3/2011 10:20:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		One of those pictures says that it delivers 110vac at 2 amps. Either the woman who owns that thing doesn't know what she's talking about, or it's more than powerful enough to kill you. 

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RE: Dose anybody know where I can try.... - 3/3/2011 10:37:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think that's either just the input voltage and current and there's some electronics involved which reduce at least the current or, like you say, she doesn't know what she's talking about. I don't have a death wish and would seriously investigate any such device before trying it, never the less, call me mad but the idea still appeals.

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RE: Dose anybody know where I can try.... - 3/3/2011 11:17:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Would you also like to try out this vial of unidentified and ominous liquid that *may* or *may not*...um...how to put this...

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RE: Dose anybody know where I can try.... - 3/3/2011 12:52:17 PM   
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RE: Dose anybody know where I can try.... - 3/3/2011 12:57:54 PM   
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RE: Dose anybody know where I can try.... - 3/3/2011 2:02:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, it’s not in the UK but if you ever get to Florida . . .

There is an executioner’s style wooden electric chair at Master's Quest in Tampa Florida.  It has conductive plates in the seat powered by a tens unit.  

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RE: Dose anybody know where I can try.... - 3/3/2011 2:15:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for all the advice and please don't think me insane. The fantasy definitely appeals but I do understand electricity and do know that there are limits on how realistic the scenario can be for reasons of safety.

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RE: Dose anybody know where I can try.... - 3/3/2011 3:03:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's not nuts.  Like RS, I know someone who actually built one.  It was used during the Interrogation and Role play demo at Dom Con Atlanta in either 2008 or 2009.  The chair stayed at 1763 for quite a while.  I'm not sure if the person who built it donated it to the club permanently or not.  (It's been a while since I've been there.)  The thing seemed cool as all get out and absolutely was not just a 'prop'.  There were quite a few folks who tried it out during the after play party.



Edit for fact check.  It was 2009.

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RE: Dose anybody know where I can try.... - 3/3/2011 4:19:01 PM   
Leovinus


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Status: offline 		Thanks, I'll look into that. I appreciate your comments, it's nice to know there are others with my sorts of interests.

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RE: Dose anybody know where I can try.... - 3/3/2011 8:30:41 PM   
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RE: Dose anybody know where I can try.... - 3/6/2011 2:41:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Kana

Oh, you poor Brits. Like stainlesss steel appliances and granite countertops, such chairs have been standard household equipment in the States for almost a decade.

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RE: Dose anybody know where I can try.... - 3/6/2011 7:34:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		Just be really, really damned careful.

Electricity can be really dangerous.  I did my junior year project on electrocution.  I am not a lawyer or a rights activist: I am an electrical engineer.

Th human body is not like a resistor or a capacitor.  It has electrical characteristics that can fluctuate wildly.  Before you strap yourself or someone else into a chair like that make sure it's been tested, modeled, tested, explained, tested, contains tamper-proof controls, and that it's been TESTED.

Did I mention that it needs to be tested?  I'm pretty sure Underwriters Laboratory doesn't have a department to deal with sex toys for the electrically inclined.

The device is probably fairly safe, but it only takes one short on a badly designed circuit to go from calling G-d's name to actually meeting him (or her) in person.

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RE: Dose anybody know where I can try.... - 3/7/2011 3:53:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		"I'm pretty sure Underwriters Laboratory doesn't have a department to deal with sex toys for the electrically inclined. "

LOL bigtime.

I've played with some electrostim, and the body is not a resistor or capacitor, it acts as an inductor in a way. This was determined with an old Wavetek Mdl. 111 frequency generator. I did not monitor the current, but the sensation is stronger with lower frequencies. That's indicitive enough for me, under the circumstances. The sensation became more pleasurable and seemingly more penetrating at higher audio frequencies, Perhaps this is capacitive in nature because that would tend to spread the current more evenly and deeply. I think 60Hz is too low.

Because of what they erroneously call galvanic response, the source should always be current regulated, not constant voltage. Most likely there is a circuit that isolates and rectifies, then generates a higher frequency which is constant current. Maybe variable but there should be a current feedback set up so that the setpoint is current - NOT voltage. Therefore two amps is probably the maximum current pulled from the AC line, most likely the inrush once powered.

It better be because if you pass two amperes through any part of the body it is highly dangerous. More desirable is milliamps, with voltage allowed to rise of fall to regulate the current. I could easily design such a circuit. For safety I would include bipolarity (complementary) SCR crowbar protection as well as a blocking relay if the current rises too high, such as due to an output device short.

I have designed an audio amp, which is pretty much what this would be, with such protection. No relay, but all outputs were shorted out in case of a fault. It is actually patentable but it's too expensive to implement to protect speakers. For a human body, I think it would be worth the expense.

As far as the chair itself, that shouldn't be a problem. In fact I don't think the example was all that great. I'd make it more like a real electric chair, with many more restraint points than "needed" MWA HA HA HA. I'd find a leather guy for that. And just to issue the warning, I CAN DO THIS. No shit. I have woodworking tools, metalworking tools like a lathe and milling machine, a circuit board making kit with most of the trimmings, and I know how to use these.

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RE: Dose anybody know where I can try.... - 3/7/2011 6:31:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		The body is best modeled by a network of caps and resistors.  It is not a simple equation and how much meat you have in your diet or how much sweat is on your skin can effect it greatly.

2 amps is more than enough to burn flesh.  10 mA @ 60Hz across the heart is enough to send you into fibrillation.

In fact anything between 30 and 300 Hz should be absolutely avoided at all costs.

Higher frequencies will break down the dielectric effect of the skin - but _most_ sources usually can't produce enough current to do serious harm.

By the way: guess what frequency is the most dangerous to humans but is also the most efficient for transmission of power over short haul copper wire?

In my senior year Biomedical DSP course we built ECGs.  We included a 100KOhm resistor in series just in case.  That came in really handy when the really pretty but not too brilliant Turkish girl built her circuit backwards.  Guess who was the lab partner she tested it on? 

No, it wasn't me.  For that class we had to partner up with the same sex.  Otherwise I would have totally made "mistakes" repeatedly when affixing the sensors.  >;-)

You see she had really nice, umm.....just try not to kill anyone.

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RE: Dose anybody know where I can try.... - 3/8/2011 5:47:37 AM   
Leovinus


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Status: offline 		I do appreciate the warning tones, it's nice to know there are people out there who give a dam about human life and I do agree with Malcolm, the interaction of electricity with the human body is difficult to quantify. You're right of course high current is dangerous in fact earth leakage trips are set to respond to a current of 30mA in the UK, of the order 100 times less than the 2A specified for the chair. I imagined when looking at the chair that the specified Voltage and current where inputs and that there is some kind of conditioning circuitry in between the mains and the recipient otherwise there would have been deaths! As I already stated I have no death wish, in fact I really appreciate life and if my initial excitement ever lead anybody to believe that the chair is harmless fun I should like put that straight by emphasising that anything of its nature should be approached with caution and questions.

I also agree with Termyn8or that the restraints could have been much better made, I've built quite a bit of furniture (shall we say) myself and could do a better job of the chair its self. The electronics on the other hand, well I know a little bit based on working with switch mode power supplies for a few years but not nearly enough to consider building anything with which to shock a human, in the past I have only ever dared play with TENS equipment and even then only below the waste.

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