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Solution to mid-east oil dependence? - 3/1/2011 7:11:27 AM

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Wanna bet BP and Exxon are working their ass off to BURY this?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110227/ap_on_bi_ge/us_growing_fuel

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RE: Solution to mid-east oil dependence? - 3/1/2011 7:31:45 AM

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Wouldn't this be great, it uses carbon dioxide too! A twofer!!

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RE: Solution to mid-east oil dependence? - 3/1/2011 7:38:22 AM

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There are many promising technologies being tinkered with today. There is a company that uses the bacteria in cow stomachs to break down cellulose (a problem in getting biofuel out of say hemp or cornstalks or any number of woody plants).

Another company has a genetically working wheat stem that sort of decomposes the cellulose from itself.

Hey when its worth it, (where there's a will) there's a way.

I see that the Obama Administration has approved the first offshore oil permit for the Louisanna Bay there, some 70 miles offshore, and it was approved on the strength of their solution to a blowout, the cap that BP eventually used to stop that horrific mess.

Necessity, the mother of invention.

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RE: Solution to mid-east oil dependence? - 3/1/2011 7:44:45 AM

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Wanna bet BP and Exxon are working their ass off to BURY this?

They will just buy it out, unless the inventors refuse, which is unlikely.

When big money is waved people will cave.

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RE: Solution to mid-east oil dependence? - 3/1/2011 8:18:42 AM

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That would give us the leverage we need against OPEC!!!

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RE: Solution to mid-east oil dependence? - 3/1/2011 8:22:15 AM

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That would give us the leverage we need against OPEC!!!

And let them go back to eating dirt and rocks.

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RE: Solution to mid-east oil dependence? - 3/1/2011 8:23:06 AM

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Very interesting. I will email my congressman and see what they say. Maybe we should all write Obama

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RE: Solution to mid-east oil dependence? - 3/1/2011 8:23:34 AM

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I grin thinking about it!

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RE: Solution to mid-east oil dependence? - 3/1/2011 8:42:17 AM

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I'm puzzled by the wording of this. A bacteria that can produce fuel for diesel engines is trivial, any vegetable oil suitable for cooking will do, but if they meant what is traditionally called 'diesel' that is a petrochemical and if they could get a bacteria to produce that they should be able to also get it to produce gasoline.

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RE: Solution to mid-east oil dependence? - 3/1/2011 9:54:17 AM

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quote:

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Wanna bet BP and Exxon are working their ass off to BURY this?

They will just buy it out, unless the inventors refuse, which is unlikely.

When big money is waved people will cave.

So why are BP pumping $500 million over ten years into Bio research in the US ?

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RE: Solution to mid-east oil dependence? - 3/1/2011 11:03:28 AM

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BP's byline (?) now is BP....Beyond Petroleum.

ETA: maybe "motto" would be better.....

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RE: Solution to mid-east oil dependence? - 3/1/2011 11:58:44 AM

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This is true, but the whole thing with Haliburton using cheap cement last year led to everybody in the 'States forgetting that and billing them as "British Petroleum" for the first time in thirty odd years...

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RE: Solution to mid-east oil dependence? - 3/1/2011 12:00:07 PM

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I see no reason for conspiracy to kill the project. Oil companies actually fund similar research projects. Also, I think this is the right direction to go with biofuels (corn ethanol being wrong). It does not free us from foreign oil dependency though. The numbers simply do not add up. It may potentially satisfy 1% or so the demand. My impression is (too lazy to check it now) US annual fuel consumption is tens of billions gallons.

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RE: Solution to mid-east oil dependence? - 3/1/2011 12:17:46 PM

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The dream of every businessman is to have his "plant" operating at full capacity 24/7. Say they can't supply the whole demand, maybe with luck a third of it. You have any idea what that means ? One third of the money hemmoraging from this country will be kept "continent", and for a change US taxes will be paid on the profits.

Then we don't have to install as many "friendly" foreign governments, which means a possible reduction in military spending.

It's a vicious circle really, before you know it the national debt might fail to climb. Some people might even get jobs in this country !

What is this world coming to ?

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RE: Solution to mid-east oil dependence? - 3/1/2011 12:23:13 PM

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quote:

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Wanna bet BP and Exxon are working their ass off to BURY this?

They will just buy it out, unless the inventors refuse, which is unlikely.

When big money is waved people will cave.

So why are BP pumping $500 million over ten years into Bio research in the US ?

500 Mil over 10 years sounds like a lot of $ but it is like you or me tossing a quarter into the bin for the salvation army.

Big Oil has HUNDREDS of BILLIONS invested in infrastructure that says their business model is to punch holes in the ground and suck out a resource. This would make that infrastructure largely useless.
Watch and see if this startup doesn't get regulated to death courtesy of a few of "Big Oil's" pet congressmen.

Then, they can tell us how much they were looking out for us and how much they care.

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RE: Solution to mid-east oil dependence? - 3/1/2011 12:29:53 PM

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Your post doesnt alter the fact BP have invested in research though. BP could invest nothing if they wanted to and make an extra $500 million profit.

BPs total investment in green technology far excedes the donations I mentioned. It runs into billions, invested in bios, wind, hydrogen and solar forms of energy.

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RE: Solution to mid-east oil dependence? - 3/1/2011 12:30:53 PM

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I still consider that 500 Mil over 10 years to basically be advertising.

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RE: Solution to mid-east oil dependence? - 3/1/2011 12:33:03 PM

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Historic Note:

Late in WWII, the Germans were looking for an alternative to diesel in the UBoats. They actually developed an engine that ran on Hydrogen Peroxide. It had two exhaust products, water and oxygen.

At the end of WWII, the Americans claimed the type XXII Uboats (the ones the burned Hydrogen Peroxide as fuel) as war prizes. The BIG THREE Automakers formed a coalition R&D group to research the engines and fuel systems. Over the years, all but GM dropped out of the project.

In the late 90's, the German Navy revised the engine design for their coastal patrol submarines, which was cheaper and just as efficient as nuclear power.

The technology is proven, Hydrogen Peroxide is dirt cheap, and the infrastructure modification would not be that expensive.

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RE: Solution to mid-east oil dependence? - 3/1/2011 12:37:39 PM

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I wish I'd known that when Terry Pratchett was inviting people to submit alternative history novels last year...

(That definitely rings a bell, though. Another too late engineering project...)

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RE: Solution to mid-east oil dependence? - 3/1/2011 1:07:20 PM

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I wish I'd known that when Terry Pratchett was inviting people to submit alternative history novels last year...

(That definitely rings a bell, though. Another too late engineering project...)

It was called the The Walter Submarine Turbine

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In the 1930s, Professor Hellmuth Walter began experimenting with hydrogen peroxide as a possible power source. By the early 1940s, Walter's research had progressed to the point where he was able to convince the Kriegsmarine to built some prototype submarines. By 1943, a Walter hydrogen peroxide turbine had been used to power an unarmed test U-Boat to a submerged speed of 26 knots. This was some 18 knots faster than the fastest conventional submarine of the period, and actually about 5 knots faster than the most common Allied escort vessels. (As 21 knots was, in any case, about the upper speed limit at which Asdic could be used, and few merchant vessels were faster than about 15 knots, it wasn't thought necessary to build faster escorts.)

Designs were drawn up for several types of Walter submarine. In the end, none ever became operational, though the design of the larger Typ XVIII Walter submarine provided the basis for the Typ XXI "elektroboot," which was almost ready for deployment at the end of the war. The Walter Submarine Turbine

No alternative history at all. It is proven fact.

The fact is that there have been alternative fuel engines around for decades. At one time the army used a truck that could run on Diesel, Kerosene, aviation fuel and gasoline, and if you could find it, 80% alcohol. (actually a waste of good whiskey)

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