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hausboy -> Starting an art thread (2/25/2011 8:16:46 PM)

So this might totally fall flat on it's bum....but for what it's worth....

LittleBoPeep and I started talking art on the "I Admit..." thread in the Random Stupidity forum...and it was a bit off-track for that thread.  So here it is.... a thread on art.

The dialogue started on Caravaggio....and a tangent to Hopper.  Hopefully you can see the connection between the two--although completely different genres, and not a fair comparison....the two both sharing a love for how light, objects and subjects relate to one another, and the treatment of light as it relates to art composition.

From there...we began to dialogue about how for me, works of art that address light truly need to be viewed in person to be fully appreciated.  I've found this the case with every single artist--be it Monet, Caravaggio, Hopper, O'Keefe, Rothko, .... the list is endless.

So opening this thread up....and see what feasts or fizzles...



LillyBoPeep -> RE: Starting an art thread (2/25/2011 8:19:19 PM)

i think Greedy will appreciate it, too. nice move hausboy ^_^
your snazziness is showing [:)]

edit: i should probably say something arty before bailing --

do you have any particular art movements/styles that resonate with you the most?



hausboy -> RE: Starting an art thread (2/25/2011 8:33:02 PM)

I know, I shouldn't start a thread and then prepare to turn in for the night.....

My taste runs all over the place...
but I love the Dutch Masters.....the Golden Age....and I really love photorealism (goes back to my love of light and composition)--"The Gross Clinic" is one of my favorites, both for the medical, historical context as well as the beauty of the composition and handling of light.

I love Hopper--again, the light and use of landscape as subject.

Due to my proximity to Baltimore, I have a huge soft spot for Matisse.....and I absolutely sit mesmerized for hours in front of Rothko's.  And as a footnote, I used to HATE Rothko's work. I never understood it--didn't appreciate it at all.  My former professor then deliberately assigned me to making a reproduction--a Rothko inspired work--and to do so, he knew I'd have to spend a lot of time sitting in front of and studying Rothko.

I had a true epiphany--it was highly spiritual--and just amazing. Now I'm hooked.




FukinTroll -> RE: Starting an art thread (2/25/2011 8:38:17 PM)

*parks muh john deer tractor, dusts off muh bib-coveralls an puts a chaw ov tabacee in muh mouth*

Well... i'ma not tha most edumukated troll in these here parts, but I suspect tha fella's yew wuz refer'n to in tha op actually worked wuth tha umbra. Considern tha time an med'yum them thar fellas wuz in an werkin with, light wasn't tha deal... twas tha umbra.

Conversely (crap, can't think of a redneck vernacular for that one) tha newer fella's, Bors an Frah'zetter, werked wuth light.



hausboy -> RE: Starting an art thread (2/25/2011 8:51:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: FukinTroll

*parks muh john deer tractor, dusts off muh bib-coveralls an puts a chaw ov tabacee in muh mouth*

Well... i'ma not tha most edumukated troll in these here parts, but I suspect tha fella's yew wuz refer'n to in tha op actually worked wuth tha umbra. Considern tha time an med'yum them thar fellas wuz in an werkin with, light wasn't tha deal... twas tha umbra.

Conversely (crap, can't think of a redneck vernacular for that one) tha newer fella's, Bors an Frah'zetter, werked wuth light.



Are you referring to Frank Frazetta and Boris? (Had to google Frazetta....didn't know that one off the top of my head!)
I always enjoyed/admired the whole fantasy artists



FukinTroll -> RE: Starting an art thread (2/25/2011 8:58:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: hausboy

quote:

ORIGINAL: FukinTroll

*parks muh john deer tractor, dusts off muh bib-coveralls an puts a chaw ov tabacee in muh mouth*

Well... i'ma not tha most edumukated troll in these here parts, but I suspect tha fella's yew wuz refer'n to in tha op actually worked wuth tha umbra. Considern tha time an med'yum them thar fellas wuz in an werkin with, light wasn't tha deal... twas tha umbra.

Conversely (crap, can't think of a redneck vernacular for that one) tha newer fella's, Bors an Frah'zetter, werked wuth light.



Are you referring to Frank Frazetta and Boris? (Had to google Frazetta....didn't know that one off the top of my head!)
I always enjoyed/admired the whole fantasy artists



Yep, the modern fantasy (most modern stuff for that matter) works well within the medium of light, spectrum's of light and light temperature. The older stuff had to use umbra to realize their power (guess acid for Picasso), Rembrandt was one of the marvels of umbra, man could he sling some dark matter.

Got a wild tangent for you; if you look at visual art by period and musical composition by period they both work within the same spectrum's ( for lack of better). Composers used dark and resounding composition, almost breaking free of the darkness (in a sense) and the visual artist were working with umbra, again trying to break free of the darkness.

Definitely going to have to say YMMV

*Troll enterprises holds no other parties responsible for the Trolls assertions or views on art, music or slutty subbies. Void where prohibited, coming to a bridge near you.



January -> RE: Starting an art thread (2/25/2011 9:14:36 PM)

My faves:

Chagall: color and whimsy
Cezanne: strokes and sophistication
Georges de La Tour: light and emotion

January



LillyBoPeep -> RE: Starting an art thread (2/26/2011 8:45:28 AM)

god damn it, troll.
cease and desist with the random awesomeness -- very good distinction to make with Caravaggio -- the interplay of light AND shadow, deep dark shades in contrast with something intense like a candle light, or a beam of light or some unknown light source, like in Conversion of St. Paul (it's assumed that it's something divine, but there's no obvious origin). the way the form of the horse just sort of lumbers out of the pitch black and recedes again -- using darkness to heighten the drama, and reveal the figures and the narratives (Calling of St. Matthew). and by using deeper darker shadows, the light becomes more brilliant, too.

and music and art are both elements of culture and fashion; Caravaggio was a product of the Baroque era -- depth, drama, rich colors and tones, deep darks, soaring lights -- and the music of the Baroque period was the same.

Cezanne is one of those artists that has taken me a while to "get;" i still don't really. but i appreciate the planar quality of his work, and the brush strokes -- lots of vitality and energy, as well as as methodical quality, at times, conveyed via the brush strokes (the degree of their presence, maybe). i think the Jas de Bouffan stuff is probably my favorite of his.

i'm supposed to be asleep. curse you collarme

hausboy gets points for this thread ♥



FukinTroll -> RE: Starting an art thread (2/26/2011 8:50:52 AM)

Um... after reading this I think it was Mr. Tinkles up to his old tricks as the Trollposter... damn cat... so I may have to be oddly preoccupied so that maybe, Mr. Tinkles, will come in here and make me look awesomer.

SLURP~

P.S. Mr. Tinkles said; very good post Lilly.



hausboy -> RE: Starting an art thread (2/26/2011 2:17:16 PM)

Thanks Troll--All the great masters employed painting techniques working dark to light--it's how they continue to teach art students today--priming canvases a dark hue and working up. (it gives it that rich, three-dimensional pop and tactile quality)  I love all of the religious iconography of Caravaggio's works--particularly his portrait of Judith (with severed head) and The Calling of St.Matthew is absolutely one of my favorites.  One of the things that I always enjoyed the most--you have a strong portrayal of "heavenly hosts" without the angels, cherubim and other overt signatures of religious symbols--his was all portrayed through the dramatic introduction of light. 

Troll--have you ever had a chance to look up close at some of Rembrandt's etchings?  It's astonishing--you can feel the light coming from the print.  Some museums with print collections will permit escorted guests to view (even hold) the prints. (you have to wear special gloves, and some places also require a mask).  First time I ever held an actual Rembrandt, my hands were shaking so badly I asked them to hold it.  I was so afraid that I'd sneeze on it....cry on it....



LillyBoPeep -> RE: Starting an art thread (2/26/2011 5:48:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: hausboy

One of the things that I always enjoyed the most--you have a strong portrayal of "heavenly hosts" without the angels, cherubim and other overt signatures of religious symbols--his was all portrayed through the dramatic introduction of light. 


i agree with you there. he did one version of the conversion of st. paul that has a present angel with Christ, but it loses so much of the drama, and all the figures and angles make it seem hectic and crowded. it's not nearly as strong a piece as the more famous version.


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ORIGINAL: hausboy

Some museums with print collections will permit escorted guests to view (even hold) the prints. (you have to wear special gloves, and some places also require a mask).  First time I ever held an actual Rembrandt, my hands were shaking so badly I asked them to hold it.  I was so afraid that I'd sneeze on it....cry on it....



we had the opportunity to do this with the collection of the university i went to; they gave us gloves and let us handle some beautiful Japanese scrolls and Chinese watercolors.
pretty exciting experience. ^_^



LillyBoPeep -> RE: Starting an art thread (2/27/2011 9:17:03 PM)

http://www.expo-klimt.com/1_4.cfm

anyone care to yack about klimt? ♥



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