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student loans - 2/22/2011 1:04:25 PM   
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The loan can and probably will be sold.
It is very common after you begin repayment on your loan for the issuing bank or agency to sell the loan to another bank or finance corporation, although sometimes your loan will be sold before you begin repayment.

Your lender does not need your permission to sell the loan. Often times, the only affect on you is the address you send your check to. If you do not pay attention to notices that your loan has been sold, the impact can be far more negative. It is your responsibility to make sure you are sending your payment to the right place! More than a few students have found themselves in default because they did not pay attention to the letter their lender sent them informing them that their loan had been sold.




Post offices can and often do make mistakes delivering letters. Anyone who has ever received a letter in their mailbox addressed to someone else knows this. I'm not interested in going into default and getting an extra $20,000 added to my student loan debt if a letter informing me to send my payments somewhere else doesn't reach me. I'm willing to accept responsibility for my own mistakes, but I'm not willing to accept responsibility for mistakes made by the post office. I haven't signed on the dotted line yet, but will be before fall semester when I start college. Does anyone know if something can be written in at the bottom of the contract before signing and how to word that? My thought is, if they have to have my signature before selling my loans I will always be aware of where to send the money and they will have proof that I was contacted as well. Just trying to prevent possible future problems.

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RE: student loans - 2/22/2011 1:19:22 PM   
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Did you ask them?

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RE: student loans - 2/22/2011 3:23:14 PM   
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If by "them" you mean the school, yes. The financial aid department said I would receive a letter detailing my eligibility for grants and loans in mid to late March. I was advised to ask any questions I have concerning student loans then. I was hoping to have my question answered BEFORE it was time to sign the dotted line and choose my classes.

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RE: student loans - 2/22/2011 4:23:23 PM   
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Does anyone know if something can be written in at the bottom of the contract before signing and how to word that? My thought is, if they have to have my signature before selling my loans I will always be aware of where to send the money and they will have proof that I was contacted as well. Just trying to prevent possible future problems.


To be blunt - I've taken on quite a few student loans, considering they really aren't going to be dying to get your business, I doubt they will let you change or add to the contract.

All of my loans have been sold - most of them more then once.  I have never had issues with not getting a notice saying my loan was sold.  In most cases I've gotten notice 90 days before my loan is transfered.    If you are in repayment - you'll be getting statements in the mail or checking them online if you do that kind of thing. They have to give you due notice - and they do!  If you're so blindly paying bills that you don't notice your statement changing or the several mailings they send - then perhaps you should have someone helping you handle your financial matters.  Plus, you clearly have internet access, just one more reason to stay on top of things and sign into your account online through your lender's website and checking the status of your loans.

It is no where as dire as you make it, unless you get completely irresponsible about your loans.  If you miss a payment they will bother you - and they can very easily find you. 

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RE: student loans - 2/22/2011 4:59:16 PM   
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Then why have "more than a few students" gotten into financial trouble over it? Sallie Mae and other corporations loans get sold to are just that.......corporations, meaning they're huge and probably own thousands of student loans. It's far more likely that one letter was sent. Otherwise, wouldn't the article have said "in rare cases" instead of "more than a few students?" I hope you're wrong on not being able to add anything. I don't appreciate the insult about maybe needing someone to manage my financial matters. I'm cautious about signing anything. In your opinion, would I appear more intelligent if I signed first and asked questions later?

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RE: student loans - 2/22/2011 5:52:21 PM   
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This is something you need to go over with the school prior to signing any contract.  You can write whatever you want on the contracts, however, if its not agreed too then its not agreed too.  So how will you prove that you didn't GET the letter?  You can ask them to send all letters certified mail to you at your expense, and that way it will need a signature and that is proof of your receiving same.  The thing is you want the loan company to be responsible for the post offices errors and they won't be. 

MOST loan places work with people, they tend to send more than ONE letter, if you don't respond to the first one.  You can also see if they can email you, they can call you etc.  its called TALKING to the people who know.  People here don't know.  And i am sorry but $20K because they didn't get ONE letter, they aren't telling you the whole truth. 

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RE: student loans - 2/22/2011 6:02:58 PM   
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All of my loans have been sold - most of them more then once.  I have never had issues with not getting a notice saying my loan was sold.  In most cases I've gotten notice 90 days before my loan is transfered. If you are in repayment - you'll be getting statements in the mail or checking them online if you do that kind of thing. They have to give you due notice - and they do! If you're so blindly paying bills that you don't notice your statement changing or the several mailings they send - then perhaps you should have someone helping you handle your financial matters.  Plus, you clearly have internet access, just one more reason to stay on top of things and sign into your account online through your lender's website and checking the status of your loans.

It is no where as dire as you make it, unless you get completely irresponsible about your loans.  If you miss a payment they will bother you - and they can very easily find you. 



Can only agree to the highlightened text.

Recently annoyingly one of my loans got sold as there I lost track of it with my recent hassles I had to sort out...not whining, as I know its my fault, but I do agree, that they had send a few letters before doing so. Once I did respond to them it was too late...now I passed on that loan company to a debt management company for which I signed a form that they have to correspond with them now on my behalf, as I have no need to get stressed about their threats in their letters...recently I got a letter from them, had a peak into it and forwarded it straight to that debt management company.

Normally I am fine to pay my bills but due to recent job loss and many bounces of loss of earnings due to illness etc it became a struggle...

anyhow, I know I had warnings and acted too late. However, I am glad now that this debt management company deals now with them and I remain hassle free with them as long as I don't fail to make my agreed monthly payment from 125 pound....which in itself is a fair bit of a challenge with being on benefits right now, thank goodness I still have some pro sub contacts and ebay earnings to keep extra money coming in.

And thankfully I know that once i am back into work I will have paid this off in no time, so for me its just a temporary inconvenience.

My student debts itself get deducted from my earnings straight away over here, once I earn a certain amount, they deduct a few pound per month to get it back over time.

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RE: student loans - 2/22/2011 7:09:42 PM   
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In what country ? You did not specify.

In the US the government is usually only the guarantor. But it doesn't matter, when you sign you sign.

The school isn't a lender (usually) or even a guarantor, and they want your money. Don't get me wrong, it could be a great school and want you as a student for good reason, but that doesn't matter when it comes to the contract.

One thing you can do for sure. You can take your pen, before you sign, and read the contract. When it comes to this penalty you don't want to be responsible for, you blot out those parts. You must be exhaustive, and do it to each copy. Also initial each one at each modification.

Most likely the application (which is a contract sometimes) will be rejected. But on the off chance they accept it, you can use that. Just make absolutely sure to never lose that piece of paper. If the subject ever comes up you'll need it.

Most likely, as I think has been said, they are not going to be too likely to accept it with modifications by you. To do so would be a mistake on their part. You would be looking for them to make a mistake and if they don't, it's going to stonewall the whole thing.

Like I said, I don't know where you are. In the US, getting rid of a student loan is not as easy as other debt. But now if you think about it, what kind of education are you going for ? If it's going to be a quarter mil or something, and this twenty grand is only a one time thing, put that in perspective. Remember, you might not get the loan at all without this advantage. As such it constitutes consideration.

You're not likely to pull this off. If you do, treat that piece of paper like $20,000 in cash. And whatever happens, if the education pays off that money will not be the end of the world. If you don't make it and don't pay up, you are not likely to have much to take, you'll just not get an income tax refund for a long time. Keep your witholding tight. It is unsecured, so they aren't going to take your 1976 Pinto one door coupe, but it doesn't help your credit.

plan B >The only other thing I can think of, something they may accept, is to insist on a registered or certified letter. If you go that route, you need to change all the references to letter, mail, whatever to that, on all copies of the contract and application. At that point, it is your job to call the post office(s) to see if a letter exists periodically. That means if you move, call the post office where you used to live. Also always keep your address updated with the post office, and I would recommend that you also send the lending institution a registered or certified letter every time you move. Of course you demand a signed reciept for the letter. <plan B

If you can get plan B, I'd LIKE TO SAY that I would defend you myself, or actually prosecute for refund. I can't make that kind of promise because I would have to be licensed to practice law. Everything comes down to that contract. And though I haven't been taught this, also on every copy (which you sign individually of course) you find if there is a number, designating it as a standard form. You need to blot that out, just to cover another base so to speak.

Remember you are swimming with sharks. Hmmm, now that I think of it, the presence of the OP indicates that maybe you already know that :-)

Best of luck.

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ETA : You have to get rid of the part tht says failure of notice is not an excuse, or whatever, however they wqord it you must find it and blot it out. Otherwise you get nowhere.

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RE: student loans - 2/23/2011 7:21:55 AM   
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I don't mean to be a pessimist, but I don't think they will accept any changes in terms. Just thinking - they have no reason to.

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RE: student loans - 2/23/2011 7:27:24 AM   
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I don't mean to be a pessimist, but I don't think they will accept any changes in terms. Just thinking - they have no reason to.

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Exactly.

The reality is that they (the lender) sets the terms. The customer either agrees to those terms or they don't do business.


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RE: student loans - 2/23/2011 7:44:34 AM   
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That's damn sad. In the old days they just acted like they didn't want to loan out money, now it seems they really don't.

I guess it makes sense. A while back, defaults and foreclosures were rare. It might have had something to do with the fact that people had steady jobs. People could actually negotiate.

Things ain't what they used to be.

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RE: student loans - 2/23/2011 7:54:50 AM   
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My student loan when information was changed in it, I got a letter and then a call, When I made a payment to the wrong place because it changed offices they forwarded that one payment.... and called and said Ms so and so please be aware....

I of course do all of my payments electronically.


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RE: student loans - 2/23/2011 8:00:51 AM   
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1. Student loans are sold without permission from the borrower.

2. "More than a few" former students go into default on student loans because payments are sent to the wrong place.


I think it's safe to assume that "more than a few" either never received the one letter that was sent or no letter was sent at all. How can any bill be paid if a person doesn't know where to send it? Why would a student loan contract be rejected because a borrower wants a guarantee to know where to send payments unless there's an underhanded plan to purposely sell the loan without informing the borrower in order to add thousands more onto the original debt?

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RE: student loans - 2/23/2011 9:02:36 AM   
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Because they want to do what THEY want to do........what you want is irrelevant.

It's no different than most mortgage lenders.


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RE: student loans - 2/23/2011 3:44:13 PM   
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they don't just send ONE letter. They will contact you numerous times by mail, by phone, by email, by whatever info they have for you. I'd say you have a lot of people feeding you a line of shit.

Why not just electronically and you won't have any of these concerns if you're really this worried about it???

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RE: student loans - 2/23/2011 4:15:03 PM   
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they don't just send ONE letter. They will contact you numerous times by mail, by phone, by email, by whatever info they have for you. I'd say you have a lot of people feeding you a line of shit.

Why not just electronically and you won't have any of these concerns if you're really this worried about it???


Exactly.

DBG - Online bill pay. You can set it up to pay automatically or you can set up automatic reminders.

My credit card company and account number changed and I used the old account number for years without any problems. However, any problems would have been MY FAULT for being too lazy to change the account number.

It's your responsibility to stay on top of your bills.

This probably won't work for student loans, but at a new doctor's office, when the paperwork includes that I will pay for services if my insurance does not, I cross that out and initial it. You could quietly try modifying it and see if they reject it. (Or resolve to stay on top of your bills.)

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RE: student loans - 2/23/2011 4:22:21 PM   
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1. Student loans are sold without permission from the borrower.

2. "More than a few" former students go into default on student loans because payments are sent to the wrong place.


I think it's safe to assume that "more than a few" either never received the one letter that was sent or no letter was sent at all. How can any bill be paid if a person doesn't know where to send it? Why would a student loan contract be rejected because a borrower wants a guarantee to know where to send payments unless there's an underhanded plan to purposely sell the loan without informing the borrower in order to add thousands more onto the original debt?


ALL loans (not just student loans) can be sold without permission from the borrower. NO ONE is going to write a contract allowing you any say in who holds the loan.

Your assumption that letters were not received as the reason loans went into default is not based on good logic. How many of those people never moved from the place where they lived when they got the loan? If they moved, how many notified their lender? How many opened every piece of mail they received, even if they thought it was junk mail?

The conspiracy aspect you're trying to put on this just doesn't exist. Lenders want people to pay loans, not default on them to add penalties and interest that they then have to try to collect on.

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RE: student loans - 2/23/2011 4:34:29 PM   
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This probably won't work for student loans, but at a new doctor's office, when the paperwork includes that I will pay for services if my insurance does not, I cross that out and initial it. You could quietly try modifying it and see if they reject it. (Or resolve to stay on top of your bills.)


It wouldn't work for this as they would have to also initial the changes. I would think for it to be a valid change in a doctor's office, the office manager or someone in authority would have to co-initial it as well.

Where I work, we won't see a patient if they change the paperwork. The insurance is a contract between the patient and a third party (the insurance company); we are not a party to that contract even if we are on your panel. People lose their jobs and try to squeeze in an office visit before the insurance updates to show their policy terminated. The insurance won't pay and it becomes the patient's responsibility. When I explain to people that it is considered attempt to defraud to obtain services without paying for them (and them knowing they lost their job), they generally find the means to pay.

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RE: student loans - 2/23/2011 5:55:35 PM   
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I dont know who is telling you that they have gone into default because their loans were sold and they sent the payment to the wrong place but they are either BSing you or themselves.  First of all, they send more than one letter so they are either not checking their mail or reading the letters, second, if their checks are being cashed then the money is being applied to their loans, if they aren't being cashed then they are being irresponsible in not wondering why and contacting someone to find out, third, you don't go into default with ONE payment being messed up.  Again, if they aren't wondering why their checks weren't cashed and followed up, then they are being silly.

Sorry but i really think you are reaching here with this "concern." With this day and age of online, you are also able to have access to your loans online.  If you are diligent on keeping your mail address updated, checking your payments are being taken out of your bank account when you pay them and such, i dount you will have any trouble.

Here's a clue, the lender wants to get paid.  So its not conducive for them to "fake" out the borrower.

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RE: student loans - 2/23/2011 7:24:59 PM   
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"I dont know who is telling you that they have gone into default because their loans were sold and they sent the payment to the wrong place but they are either BSing you or themselves. "

Angel, that is a valid point. How do you know you have the whole story, second or third hand ?

Like when I read of someone who lost their house over a trivial dental bill. I think the bill was $42 or something like that. But creditors can file for a lien. If they know you have property, and file, and you continue to ignore the mail you can lose your house over anything. Of all this talk of foreclosure and shit going on, really the amount doesn't matter. It's a lien, plain and simple and it doesn't matter if it's $1 on a million dallar mansion, it can result in foreclosure.

Well the original bill was less than fifty bucks, and let's say the dentist was malicious and hated the person, and flubbed the notice. Well then it goes to collections. In many cases a collection agency has bought the debt. The add a fee. Sometimes the debt is sold more than omce, for less and less net every time, but with more fees tacked on. Then to get the property someone must go to court.

Now in this entire chain, the original creditor (the dentist), wants the money. The collection agency's survival depends on collecting that money. And then the court papers arriving by process servers, in short, how could all these people fail ?

But that only proves that anything can happen. At this point I believe that in student loans they are usually dealing with younger people. Most won't read that clause in the contract and just sign. This doesn't even require court action.

There is a big difference when someone hides from a $42 bill for years and ignores it. You cannot avoid mail, process servers, any of that. It is the stupidest thing in the world to do. But your credit report does not reflect whether notice was not given, or given but not accepted.

So that can be an issue, but it's more likely that people abused the situation and made it worse for everyone else. They thought it would go away.

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