KenDckey
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I don't know what I would put in place of it Hippie. I do not see a constitutional mandate for healthcare. I do believe that the current laws are so jumbled up and convoluded that they need to be reworked totally. And to be realistic, what pisses me off isn't healthcare reform, It is the mandate on me and anyone else to spend our money as the govt says - no options. I personally hate it when the Govt dictates how my money is spent. The various governmental entities get so much of my paycheck now, and they are wanting to dictate how to spend the rest. And this sets the presidence for that. It is bad law.
If they want to have universal healthcare, and I am not sure I would agree, then run the healthcare industry out of business, nationalize all the healthcare professionals, and just do it. Not sure that is constitutional either, but it would be better than this. Realistically tho, I think that no mandate is the way to go. I don't believe in govt dictating how I spend my money. If I choose to have no healthcare, then fine. If I choose it, then use the free enterpise system and get it. If I belong to a union, put it in the contract (My son said he pays $9.95 in healthcare for every hr he works thru IBEW).
I know this post is convoluded, but I am being distracted right now. I hope you understand what I am trying to say. If not, I appologize in advance.
So it's OK for me to be forced to pay for your exceedingly cheap VA insurance, but when it comes to me getting a similar deal, it's "Fuck you, HK; I don't want to pay a dime for you." That about right?
Or if you don't have insurance, and go to the ER with a coronary, and it costs $200,000 bucks to take care of you, and you can't pay, it's OK for the "free enterprise" insurance companies to jack up my premiuums $17% (like they just did) to pay for your care? AND to pay for their 30-40% exec pay/marketing overhead?
Shoot me Don't take me to the VA Death Factory (my opinion). I have Tricare and I pay every month just like most people. It is also a benefit of 20 years service. Now if you don't want us to have it, may I suggest you tell congress that the military doesn't deserve medical care. They have the authority to stop it.
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I may be wrong but it was my understanding that the two cases where the decision was favorable to the AHA were on the merits. I any case, one argued and I agree...empirically, we are ALL using health care to some degree. With every person IN the health care market, some are not paying at all and thus, shifting costs. The AFA is a mandate that will almost eliminate that transfer of wealth.
By law, people are guaranteed ER 'health care' as a last resort. This law make almost everyone...pay for it. This mandate also reduces emergencies and costs. The court agreed. Plus as I wrote, there is precedent on this being constitutional.
Examples of govt. services and benefits paid for and run substantially by govt.
We need water, 80% of the population is on highly regulated govt. run water...same with sewer.
We need food, it is almost universally affordable and for the poor there is temporary...govt. run assistance.
We need heat, supplied by what are called permanent, regional or 'natural monopolies.' They are thus very highly govt. regulated and are generally allowed and an above average return on capital.
Clothing is affordable and one of the very few commodities that we can make durable.
We ALL need or are in the health care market. Well you are on your own kinkroid until you are about to die or break something or have a very good job.
Water workers require one or both licenses (Production and Distribution). But, there is no requirement that anyone be on a system. the requirements are on quality.
Wastewater workers require either a Operator, Mechanic, Lab, Waste Inspector, and a few other licenses according to what you do and where you are. The regulations establish standards (that aren't necessarily standard) for treatment and effluient and sludge standards. Sometimes they use sludge in the making of potting soil, sometimes they use it as fertilizer, sometimes they landfill it. They also set up digesters to purify the system. They flare off the gasses or use them in the creation of electricity for the facility thus saving the rate payer costs. If you spill wastewater, there are also reporting thresholds. This usually happens to sludge/septage haulers and blockage backups although there can be other reasons.
The gas/electric industries are also highly regulated as you said. But I don't know of anyone that does not have it being cited for violating the law. It is the industry that is regulated not the consumer.
Do we all have some form of healthcare? yeah I would agree to some degree we do. Do we pay for it, yes, thru our taxes. But that distribution isn't set by a heathcare law, it is set up within the budget process by congress and has no individual mandate.
Remember, my problem all along is the individual mandate. Do I agree that healthcare reform is needed? Yes Do I agree that tax reform is needed? yes Do I agree that tort reform is needed? yes. Do I agree with mandates on how I spend MY money? No
I think it sets a terrible prescidence on what they can mandate us to spend OUR money on. Today it is insurance, tommorrow what?
Oh and yes, I know that a lot of people use arguements like you have to have insurance to drive. But there is no mandate to have a drivers license much less drive, so I don't believe that those type of arguments hold water.
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