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Hillwilliam -> RE: Gun Control is Racist, Sexist & Classist (1/5/2011 11:28:42 AM)


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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

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ORIGINAL: wilddreams17

never noticed that the US doesn't need a homicidal government to have the highest rate of homicides worldwide? well maybe these days second to Iraq ...



Uhhhh, try 50th in the world. But why let facts get in the way of being an ass. (Actually far lower than 50th, snce the countries that dont report are generally much higher crime areas than the US)


I don't know Willbeur, you certainly never let facts get in your way.

You just make things up.




Murders (most recent) by country


# 5   United States: 16,204



United States


[image]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Homicide_rate2004.svg/400px-Homicide_rate2004.svg.png[/image]


I had us 24th.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita




rulemylife -> RE: Gun Control is Racist, Sexist & Classist (1/5/2011 11:32:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


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ORIGINAL: wilddreams17

never noticed that the US doesn't need a homicidal government to have the highest rate of homicides worldwide? well maybe these days second to Iraq ...
go on enjoy your right to carry guns and shoot each other the rate you do now ... does anyone really care?

Sorry sweet cheeks. US doesnt make the top 20.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita


It does if you leave out all the third world countries.




rulemylife -> RE: Gun Control is Racist, Sexist & Classist (1/5/2011 11:41:14 AM)

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

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ORIGINAL: gungadin09

i think the title of the article should be "OUTLAWING Guns is Racist, Sexist, and Classist".

"gun control" includes laws that:

prohibit children from buying, or carrying guns
prohibit people with serious mental illnesses or developmental disabilities from buying or carrying guns
prohibit drug addicts from buying or carrying guns
prohibit wanted persons from buying or carrying guns
prohibit the person who (legally) owns a semiautomatic rifle from bringing it to work with him/her everyday
prohibit the possession of guns on planes
prohibit individual citizens from posessing fully automatic weapons, bombs, chemical or biological weapons, or nuclear bombs

i think even the staunchest supporter of guns would agree that there needs to be SOME form of gun control.


prohibit children from buying, or carrying guns
Nope.  Disagree.

prohibit people with serious mental illnesses or developmental disabilities from buying or carrying guns
Partial agree.  Only people with "serious mental illnesses" and parts of that are debatable.

prohibit drug addicts from buying or carrying guns
hmmm, not so sure.

prohibit wanted persons from buying or carrying guns
Depends.  Probably disagree.

prohibit the person who (legally) owns a semiautomatic rifle from bringing it to work with him/her everyday
Bull.  Why?

prohibit the possession of guns on planes
Do not agree.

prohibit individual citizens from posessing fully automatic weapons, bombs, chemical or biological weapons, or nuclear bombs
hmmm.  Debatable. Maybe bio weapons.

Firm



Ignoring your other truly curious responses, I just have to ask you to explain this one.

You believe that guns should be allowed on planes?




PyrotheClown -> RE: Gun Control is Racist, Sexist & Classist (1/5/2011 12:59:46 PM)


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ORIGINAL: rfd1

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democide


Lest we forget.
No thugs, no Mafia, could kill like people's own government.
Maybe the Bolshevik mentality is very much alive in today's Western left.


no...they didn't kill it...they bought it




PyrotheClown -> RE: Gun Control is Racist, Sexist & Classist (1/5/2011 1:05:55 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

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ORIGINAL: wilddreams17

never noticed that the US doesn't need a homicidal government to have the highest rate of homicides worldwide? well maybe these days second to Iraq ...



Uhhhh, try 50th in the world. But why let facts get in the way of being an ass. (Actually far lower than 50th, snce the countries that dont report are generally much higher crime areas than the US)


I don't know Willbeur, you certainly never let facts get in your way.

You just make things up.




Murders (most recent) by country


# 5   United States: 16,204



United States


[image]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Homicide_rate2004.svg/400px-Homicide_rate2004.svg.png[/image]


I had us 24th.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita

notice the qualifier of "Developed nation"

I think one of the requirements of that is not having guerrilla war lords with shit loads of drug money taking over whole countrysides(Colombia)


of countries that actually have their shit relatively together and whom enjoy a relative amount of comfort, America is number one in not just gun related murders, but in things like starving children ect...

guess if we drop low nuff we wont be a "developed country" any more




Hillwilliam -> RE: Gun Control is Racist, Sexist & Classist (1/5/2011 1:06:04 PM)


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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


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ORIGINAL: wilddreams17

never noticed that the US doesn't need a homicidal government to have the highest rate of homicides worldwide? well maybe these days second to Iraq ...
go on enjoy your right to carry guns and shoot each other the rate you do now ... does anyone really care?

Sorry sweet cheeks. US doesnt make the top 20.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita


It does if you leave out all the third world countries.


Heck rule, let's rule out everyone that you dont want to compare us to and we'll be #1.

Dang, You're cherrypicking worse than wilbur and cuckyboy.




rulemylife -> RE: Gun Control is Racist, Sexist & Classist (1/5/2011 2:01:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

Heck rule, let's rule out everyone that you dont want to compare us to and we'll be #1.

Dang, You're cherrypicking worse than wilbur and cuckyboy.


I don't think it is cherry-picking, I think it is comparing apples to apples.

Take a look at the 23 countries that have a higher murder rate in the NationMaster link.

In nearly every case they can be classified as a third world country or as a country with significant internal problems.

There are maybe 3-5 countries with higher rates that you could consider stable, and even that might be too generous an appraisal.







PeonForHer -> RE: Gun Control is Racist, Sexist & Classist (1/5/2011 3:13:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY
I think if the Jews had a few more personal firearms during the Warsaw Ghetto uprising, then the Nazis might have delayed, or thought harder about decimating them.



Interesting point and an example that hit the spot for me.  I think I get it, a little bit more now, regarding what gun-supporters are going on about. I watched Polanski's film The Piano for the second time, recently, and I sure did have a truly blood-lusting feeling of 'Yeah, go get the bastards!' when I saw those Warsaw Jews giving back some of what the SS had given them, in the form of gunfire.  I'd imagine anyone would think, "Right, now there's some sort of equality of force, here.  Now this is more like it'.

But the truth is that, if they'd known that the Ghetto Jews were properly armed with personal weapons, the Germans would have delayed long enough to get armoured cars, more poisoned gas (which they used in the end), or whatever else it would have required to wipe out all but a hundred of the Jews (as they did, after the Ghetto uprising).  Maybe the Jews would have bought themselves another week or two.  Whatever, it would have still made almost laughable Prof Cottrol's assertion that "Certainly one of the chief guarantees of freedom under any government, no matter how popular and respected, is the right of the citizen to keep and bear arms."  If private citizens have sidearms, then the rulers arm their henchmen with machine guns.  If private citizens have machine guns, the rulers invest in tanks, helicopters, missiles of all kinds, napalm and poisoned gas.  And so on. 

There aren't any guarantees of freedom, of course.  The best methods of preserving freedom, however, are political and need to happen long before anything like the Warsaw Ghetto experience ever arises.  Hundreds of factors are involved, and they're crucial.  You can't let it ever be possible for a government to assume absolute power and sweep away democracy.  You can't let an economy suffer so badly, and the people's lives become so miserable that they get angry and embittered and look for a target as a cause of their woes.  You can't let any given group in society be turned into a scapegoat.  You have to counter propaganda.  You can't, in short, allow rulers to get too powerful, nor to let them divide and thereby conquer.  You need to combine in order to resist - because the ruling group's greatest advantage is that, while it remains a largely united force, it acts against individuals or small groups that don't unite to resist it.

Etcetera, etcetera . . . .  Freedom and democracy are eroded by a myriad of underhand tricks - it's those that need to be countered.  The thing that comes nearest to being a guarantee of freedom is knowledge of those tricks (the essentials of most of which are very, very old), and how to block them.  




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