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Termyn8or -> RE: Social Security (1/1/2011 4:23:34 AM)
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Look, what I see basically is that if you worked in both countries, that country wants to define who can collect on their system and who cannot. I'm not sure what you're reading into it, but I don't see much more than that. That is not proof you are owned. I am not saying you're not, but that's not proof, it is only your conclusion, or that of your "teacher(s)" . What you presented could possible supplant other evidence, but it does not stand on it's own, even for me. For others here, they haven't a clue what the fuck you're talking about for the most part. This goes back to the fact that we are still tied to England in a way, more than I like, more than a simple treaty. I am aware of that but it doesn't really matter.
Listen up Real, and listen good. You are not owned because of some document pertaining to entitlements and their proportionment when people work and or operate internationally, unless you want to concede that by extension we are owned by a foreign power. I don't buy it. There is one law here. The Magna Carta doesn't mean shit and neither could any treaty. Not only will provisions of illicit treaties be rejected by the People, they are usurped by this government all the time. In short we do whatever the fuck we want.
What can constrain us now ? What intelligence could be smart enough to thwart the power of the people without bullets ? None. Therefore they look busy trying to govern as effectively (for them of course) as possible, and as completely. That is why a million monkeys churn out the works of Shakespeare every day. They would regulate masturbation if they could, if they thought it would keep them in power. They think by writing this shit that it will happen, it is a combination of flippancy and hubris. And it doesn't work. They write more laws and we do what we want to do. So they write even more laws and we do what we want to do. You see, they can't win in the end unless you let them.
The fact is you are owned in ways that would astound you. You agree to be owned, therefore pay into SS. You expect to be taken care of. That is what truly transfers the ownership. I am owned by an insurance company. Because I don't want to deal financially with the possibility of a fire, I cede part of the ownership of me to them. They require certain things. They require that the house be in safe order, wiring in good shape, things like that. I thought this was my house. Most recently they required me to add gravel to the driveway. Damn, just when I got the old shit packed down. I liked it, it was becoming like cement, that I don't feel like paying for. Next year they will most likely require that I repair the sidewalk. Know how they can get away with that ? They cover liability, I don't need to pay a million dollar judgement.
Because by accepting coverage for these losses I am no longer responsible to pay for them. They have to pay if something happens to me. That is the root of their authority. No law is needed, if I don't like it, they can just cancel my policy, and in a way give up that responsibility, and with it the authority and therefore by definition their "ownership" of me, or my property.
If you want to think in those terms that is fine. You want to be free ? What if you get hurt ? You have an extra thirty grand laying around for a hospital bill, and even more if you do, do you want to pay it ? So if you have health coverage, how about we figure out the math. The insurance company needs money to pay these claims, in the best of circumstances. The policyholders are a group in a way. If capitalisation is $30 million and a claim comes in for $40 million, the company can't pay, then what happens ? In that light, would you want to be in the group with test pilots, idiots deserving of a Darwin, Evil Knevil, crackheads or cat burglars ? Hell no, they would kick up the rates, or go under. Which do you prefer.
Refuse to be owned, go right ahead. You want to go live in the woods like Randy Weaver, hey, it actually sounds good to me. Then you will be free. And you will be free of society, medical care, any form of help if marauders come to take your belongings, or family. You will be free of the prohibition against people running planes or cars into the front door of your log cabin after wrecking your corn field. You will be free of black pipe regulations associated with getting natural gas you purchase into your house in an efficient way because you'll heat with wood, which you will cut with your own axe. Crumble up some dry leaves etc. and go find some clay with which to make bricks, and use mud for mortar, because then you will be free of getting the "mark" in the form of license plates for a truck to go buy bricks. And what will you trade for those bricks if you can overcome that obstacle ? Trade the some fruits and vegetables you grew ?
Face it, nobody wants total freedom.
T
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