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RE: NOW IT'S SNOWING -- IN PHOENIX... - 12/31/2010 10:39:27 AM   
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FLASHBACK - Global warming cultist tries to kayak to North Pole to prove ice is melting. Tags: CLIMATEGATE

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RE: NOW IT'S SNOWING -- IN PHOENIX... - 1/1/2011 10:46:55 AM   
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I think you should be taking something for these flashbacks you keep having.

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RE: NOW IT'S SNOWING -- IN PHOENIX... - 1/1/2011 12:11:15 PM   
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50 here in NE Ohio today pahunk .....Now wait...does that follow along with this thread?

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RE: NOW IT'S SNOWING -- IN PHOENIX... - 1/1/2011 12:19:05 PM   
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Coldest December Ever Recorded In Miami, Ft. Lauderdale, Palm Beach, Naples...

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RE: NOW IT'S SNOWING -- IN PHOENIX... - 1/1/2011 12:21:14 PM   
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And the warmest fall in Ohio since forever. ........So what.

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RE: NOW IT'S SNOWING -- IN PHOENIX... - 1/1/2011 12:23:54 PM   
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waiting for hunky to find the news about land the size of France and gGermany together being flooded in Austrailia and how hundreds of thousands are stranded
Whose fault is it hunky??? share with us please.
NWO,  the Crown, JP? GS???

Edited to add its 50f here in Toronto today
lotsa rain, weeeeee

edited cos I couldnt spell land


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RE: NOW IT'S SNOWING -- IN PHOENIX... - 1/1/2011 12:40:33 PM   
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And the warmest fall in Ohio since forever. ........So what.


Send in your money.  Go for it.  Do you seriously think you will escape paying for the stricter laws?   Do you?   Do you have any idea just how expensive the carbon taxes currently are- and how much they want them to be?

Figure $6000 a year per household by 2020.  That is the goal.



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RE: NOW IT'S SNOWING -- IN PHOENIX... - 1/1/2011 1:03:20 PM   
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waiting for hunky to find the news about land the size of France and gGermany together being flooded in Austrailia and how hundreds of thousands are stranded
Whose fault is it hunky??? share with us please.
NWO,  the Crown, JP? GS???

Edited to add its 50f here in Toronto today
lotsa rain, weeeeee

edited cos I couldnt spell land



Under UN Agenda 21- lands are to be returned to the wild.  This allows for crocodiles.  So- the flood is a rational consequence.  Recall when Reagan and Gorbochev joked about weather mod- well here we are 2011.  Google HAARP for more....

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RE: NOW IT'S SNOWING -- IN PHOENIX... - 1/1/2011 2:22:50 PM   
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The Pitfalls of Europe's New Emissions Trading System The next stage in the world's CO2 emissions-trading scheme will begin in two years. Everyone agrees that the rulebook is complicated and that the costs for industry will be enormous. But nobody knows if the system will really help the environment -- or merely create a burdensome bureaucracy. Peter Scur used to spend a lot of time outdoors, converting old quarries into fertile habitats and making sure that bats remained undisturbed while making their nests in limestone caverns. It was the sort of effort one might expect from the environmental officer at a cement company. Overburdened by paperwork these days, Scur doesn't have much time left for such activities. Scur, a tall man with strong hands, is sitting in his office at a plant belonging to the German unit of Mexican cement-maker Cemex in Rüdersdorf, 30 kilometers (19 miles) east of Berlin, poring over files marked "CO2," or carbon dioxide. "We are being literally inundated with laws," he says. Scur has no choice but to address the new regulations. Now that he is the company's so-called carbon manager, Scur has to be prepared for a new era that is about to begin, not only for Cemex and the cement sector, but also for the rest of German industry. CO2 a Cost Factor for First Time When the third stage of the European emissions trading program starts in 2013, it will actually cost companies real money when their plants emit large amounts of carbon dioxide. The invisible greenhouse gas, which flows out of chimneys by the ton, will become a cost factor for the first time. Businesses are beginning to prepare for the new reality, and it's high time that they did, following the establishment of key parameters shortly before Christmas by the EU executive, the European Commission. It set upper limits of how much CO2 a company will be permitted to emit at no charge in connection with the production of a product. In addition, the entire range of industrial goods was concentrated into 53 products, like roof tiles, steel beams and aluminum sheets, and an emissions limit was defined for each product. The limits are based on the average emissions levels for the most efficient 10 percent of industrial plants in Europe. In the case of cement, for example, a plant can emit precisely 766 grams of CO2 for each kilogram produced. Companies that exceed the CO2 emissions limits will be required to buy pollution certificates in the future. Other emissions limits are 1,328 grams for steel production, 1,514 grams for aluminum and 144 grams for roof tiles. It's a relatively straightforward system, at first glance, but the devil is in the details:
  • German brickworks, for example, complain that they will never be able to remain within the limits for roof tiles. The benchmark was set by the Spaniards, not because of their superior technology but thanks to the mild climate in southern Europe. Because roof tiles are not exposed to hard frosts in Spain, they can be fired at lower temperatures, resulting in lower emissions.
  • German steelmakers like Saarstahl or Salzgitter have built special power plants in recent years, in which they generate electricity from so-called furnace gas, a waste product in steel production. They are currently not required to purchase additional CO2 rights for the resulting emissions, because the investment is considered to be environmentally commendable, given that at least some of the furnace gas was simply burned off in the past. Now this exemption has been eliminated, thereby removing the incentive to utilize the gas instead of burning it off.
  • The paper industry produces about 3,000 products, from soft tissues to hard cardboard. The European Commission's list of 53 products to which emissions limits apply contains only seven categories, which makes it assigning products to categories extremely difficult. Producers whose products cannot be assigned to a category must resort to so-called fallback options. In that case, the heat or fuel requirements are used as the basis, which often means that a company will end up having to purchase significantly more CO2 rights.
  • The European Union decision includes only one limit value that can be applied to all the products made by tile manufacturers, and it only applies to a special manufacturing process. This single limit value must be applied across the board, both to manufacturers of mass-produced tiles and to producers of special tiles for pool edges, for example, the production of which consumes an especially large amount of energy.
The lobbyists spent months making the rounds in Brussels and Berlin, proposing changes, additions and exceptions to the 76-page draft document, wrestling over every single value. It was a fierce competition that led to one overriding outcome: It made emissions trading even more complicated and contradictory, and ultimately more unfair. The blame can be assigned to neither government officials nor industry associations. The problem lies in the system. The closer we come to the next stage, a few fundamental questions are being posed more seriously: Is emissions trading, the way it is being structured today, even feasible? Can it truly be an instrument that achieves its goal in an efficient way, namely to effectively reduce CO2 emissions and slow down climate change? Or is a bureaucratic monster being created here?

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RE: NOW IT'S SNOWING -- IN PHOENIX... - 1/1/2011 2:28:00 PM   
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Well you are either right, in which case nobody cares and you look crazy

or you are wrong and you look crazy.

It's a bit like the man that holds the placard saying the world is going to end, eventually he'll be right but everyone else will be too preoccupied with their demise to care.

Is carbon the new gold or the old diamond? Debate.

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RE: NOW IT'S SNOWING -- IN PHOENIX... - 1/1/2011 3:44:41 PM   
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Coldest December Ever Recorded In Miami, Ft. Lauderdale, Palm Beach, Naples...


And also one of the hottest summers.

From your link:

-Miami International Airport (MIA) observed 103 days of temperatures at or above 90 degrees, the 4th most on record.

- Palm Beach International Airport (PBI) observed 106 days of temperatures at or above 90 degrees, the 8th most on record. The average number of 90+ degree days per year is 56. PBI also had a record 34 days of low temperatures of 80 degrees or higher, crushing the previous record of 17 set in 1900 and 2002. The average number of 80+ degree low temperature days per year is 6.

-Naples Regional Airport (APF) observed 125 days of temperatures at or above 90 degrees, the 12th most on record.



The NOAA report that your article was based on:


http://www.srh.noaa.gov/images/mfl/news/2010WxSummary.pdf


June-August
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After a warm and dry “spring”, temperatures reached all-time record hot levels across almost all of south Florida. A relative lack of cloud cover due to a persistent high
pressure area over the southeast United States was largely to blame for the record heat.

The main contributor to the record heat was the overnight low temperature which did not drop below 80 on many days along the east coast and in the upper 70s over interior and western sections (see additional temperature statistics above for more detail).

Hottest temperature readings for the year at the four main climate sites were:

- Miami: 96 (August 15 and 21).
- Fort Lauderdale: 95 (July 10).
- West Palm Beach: 96 (July 12 and 30).
- Naples: 97 (June 12).

Over interior sections, temperatures reached and exceeded the 100 degree mark during several periods this past summer: June 14 and 16, July 8 through 10, July 28 through 31 and August 14 through 20. The highest unofficial temperature reading was 102 degrees at Brighton Reservation in northern Glades County on July 31.




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RE: NOW IT'S SNOWING -- IN PHOENIX... - 1/1/2011 7:15:22 PM   
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People refuse to use clothes lines in Miami.   Hence dryers make more heat. 

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RE: NOW IT'S SNOWING -- IN PHOENIX... - 1/1/2011 9:35:55 PM   
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People refuse to use clothes lines in Miami.   Hence dryers make more heat. 
So humans caused the record high heat over S. Florida. Ahhhh...




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RE: NOW IT'S SNOWING -- IN PHOENIX... - 1/2/2011 5:34:04 AM   
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Just as cold is proof that there "is" global warming- the 50 degree temp here proves there is not...

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RE: NOW IT'S SNOWING -- IN PHOENIX... - 1/2/2011 5:40:22 AM   
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Just as cold is proof that there "is" global warming- the 50 degree temp here proves there is not...


You just need to get your neighbors to stop using clothes dryers and it'll be back to 15 degrees in no time.

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RE: NOW IT'S SNOWING -- IN PHOENIX... - 1/2/2011 10:22:08 AM   
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Ten ships, 600 crew trapped in frozen Sea of Okhotsk Tags: CLIMATEGATE Rescue efforts are under way to evacuate more than 600 crew on 10 ships trapped in ice in the Sea of Okhotsk. The ice is up to 30cm (12 inches) thick in some places, according to the Russian news agency Itar-Tass.

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RE: NOW IT'S SNOWING -- IN PHOENIX... - 1/2/2011 2:09:55 PM   
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Extreme heat wave sets all-time high temperature records in Africa and Middle East
A withering heat wave of unprecedented intensity and areal covered has smashed all-time high temperatures in four nations in the Middle East and Africa over the past week. Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Chad, and Niger all set new records for their hottest temperatures of all time, and several other Middle East nations came within a degree of their hottest temperatures ever.


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RE: NOW IT'S SNOWING -- IN PHOENIX... - 1/2/2011 4:28:35 PM   
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Funny thing, Panda. They talk about the highest temperature EVER, without mentioning that they've only been recording the temperatures for a few to a handful of decades, in some regions where humans have been living for 10 thousand or more years, on a planet that is several billion years old.

Let's modify the old rule, shall we? Never say "ever."

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RE: NOW IT'S SNOWING -- IN PHOENIX... - 1/2/2011 5:19:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen

We've only lost 20% of the sea ice from the arctic sea since 1979. I'm sure you will argue that losing that is of no concern.


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland

Greenland Ice = 2,850,000 cubic kilometers

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctica

Antarctica Ice = 21,952,000 cubic kilometers

Ice disappearance in 7.70245614 years

Annual average ocean rise due to this melting = 7.789723032 meters (not counting the annual snow fall of 20mm)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington,_D.C.

Looks like our political problems are solved.  DC has an elevation of 0 - 125 meters.   Don’t think congress wants to boat to work.


http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070228-mars-warming.html

Habibullo Abdussamatov, head of space research at St. Petersburg's Pulkovo Astronomical Observatory in Russia, says the Mars data is evidence that the current global warming on Earth is being caused by changes in the sun. "The long-term increase in solar irradiance is heating both Earth and Mars," he said.




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RE: NOW IT'S SNOWING -- IN PHOENIX... - 1/2/2011 6:31:38 PM   
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http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070228-mars-warming.html

Habibullo Abdussamatov, head of space research at St. Petersburg's Pulkovo Astronomical Observatory in Russia, says the Mars data is evidence that the current global warming on Earth is being caused by changes in the sun. "The long-term increase in solar irradiance is heating both Earth and Mars," he said.


That article is 4 years old, and has been debunked many times over.

Debunked...

Again...

And again....

Short version - there's no evidence at all that Mars is warming, and solar output has been stable or declining for several decades.


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