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feastie -> RE: Submissive or Slave (4/30/2006 6:12:58 PM)

I think that the problem is that there is such disparity among people regarding the definition of submissive and slave.  Just because someone's profile states he's looking for a slave, it's his definition of what a slave is that he seeks.  Just because a woman's profile states she is a slave, depends on her definition of slave.  It's all very subjective and rightfully so.  It guarantees us the ability to remain individuals, rather than being cut from cookie cutters.




Reasonable -> RE: Submissive or Slave (4/30/2006 6:26:41 PM)

treasure,if you drop me a line I'll send you a copy.

I'm here to drive away as many of the wrong sort as possible.[;)]

Sent. Does it make more sense now treasure?




losttreasure -> RE: Submissive or Slave (4/30/2006 7:00:14 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Reasonable

treasure,if you drop me a line I'll send you a copy.

I'm here to drive away as many of the wrong sort as possible.[;)]

Sent. Does it make more sense now treasure?


Now see... you've been very clear in your profile.  Would that they were all so upfront.  Thank you.  ;)




twicehappy -> RE: Submissive or Slave (5/1/2006 4:05:25 AM)

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ORIGINAL: losttreasure


Do you typically ask or are you asked whether you desire a D/s relationship or M/s?
  

I can say honestly that when i was seeking it was made quite plain that i was looking for M/s or strong potential for M/s only. Yet the sheer quantity of email i received on a daily basis from people who were only looking for playmates or had no real comprehension of what M/s entailed eventually caused me to keep my profile hidden, only opening it when i found somebody of interest.

Not one person ever asked if i was looking for M/s.

Master's profile made no mention of M/s but i understand that now as even he will state he did not understand the depth of it in reality until now. Mistress's and the house profile do state it quite plainly though.

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when would you disclose to that prospective partner (assuming a submissive without caveats) that what you ultimately seek is enslavement?


Personally putting it in your profile some where is a good idea. At the very least i would expect to be told in the first few conversations. And this applies to parties, the sub/slave and the Dom/Domme.

Perfect example; when i came to my soon to be owners house they already had a male subbie in residence, he had been here a month. I think he felt i was the perfect person to gripe to because i was another sub, he was wrong; i am a slave with a slave's mindset. Along with his daily complaints of" i can't believe they....." he said to me on more than one occasion" i want to get married and have kids someday". I did not bring this up until it was decided based on something else entirely that he did not belong here, but when he came here he knew Mistress was looking for a submissive with at least some potential for growing into a life partner. It was made quite plain to him there was a zero possibility of there ever being children in this house. Mistress is married to Master, all of us are fixed, who did he think he was going to have children with?

In this case they made full disclosure, the sub did not.

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I give and expect full disclosure.


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I'll just say one final thing. If you dance around on what you want-you get things you don't want.


Reasonable made two great statements here. Be upfront and honest, this saves a lot of wasted time and unwanted offers from the start. If you are not you are wasting everybody’s time including your own.

The male my owners had here walked into an M/s situation and was not happy, being M/s requires a good bit of devotion. He wanted to be submissive when it pleased him to do so and was sincerely upset when it was expected of him full time. Yet he put himself in that situation, it was especially unfair to my owners who were upfront about what they wanted.

So i guess i have to agree here with Reasonable and state, be careful what you wish for, you might get it.





Calandra -> RE: Submissive or Slave (5/1/2006 4:50:55 AM)

Good question!
I tend to be interested in the connection and seeing what results between myself and a sub/slave. I currently have one of each in my home, and we've lived together as a family for several years with success. I guess it will help to express how "we" define sub and slave in order to help you understand the dynamic, though I do NOT say this is the right/only/true definition... simply "our" definition.
 
To us, the difference is not in the expression of submission, but in the motivation for that submission. A submissive in my household yields and behaves just as submissively as a slave oftentimes, but they need to retain the right to ongoing consent. Don't misunderstand, they may not act on that right very often, if at all, but they need to know that it is there should they feel it's necessary. A slave in my household is someone who (once trust is accomplished) seeks to give up the right to consent once and for all times. 
 
Now my submissive is a single mom, and she feels it would be unwise and unethical to shift every responsibility (specifically parenting) to someone else (I am an active parent to the child too, but more in a supportive role - on the big decisions I wouldn't DREAM of userping or undermining nomi with her child). She also has a career that she was managing quite well before I met her. She has been attending school to get her bachelors degree for the last 3 years. In these matters I don't interfere, though if I had a serious concern, she trusts me to give input.
 
My slave is also My husband. We met online in a D/s chatroom 7 years ago. He joined me as my slave, wanting to forevermore give up consent unless health (mental or physical) should require that he take his personal power from me. 
 
I manage all finances, social schedules, auto maintenance, housework, shopping, etc. for all of us, and our family interaction is a bit nebulous to anyone looking in from outside. The protocols are there, and the power exchange is felt by each one of us, but it is not easily observeable to those who have more rigid expectations of D/s.
 
With that in mind, I don't specifically seek a "submissive" or a "slave". I simply seek someone who matches seamlessly into our family dynamic. I am the undisputed head of the household, and both cubby and nomi has a place that cannot be taken by someone who wishes to join us. We find that a person who is not suitable to our family shows themselves to be a mismatch quite early simply because we do not try to put them into a mold.
 
That may not work for others, but it works for us... hope that helps.
 
Lady kathryn
Athens Ga.   
 
 




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Submissive or Slave (5/1/2006 6:16:22 AM)

A lot of people naturally assume that, no matter what you are, that you will eventually want to be a slave- that it's the natural and right progression into the "highest state of being."

And, since it's easy to "forward track" or "backtrack" or just generally switch between the two terms, most people don't really use them as different except in specific discussions- and a suitor can easily just pick the term they feel will be the most romantic or likely to get a response.




Reasonable -> RE: Submissive or Slave (5/1/2006 7:32:44 AM)

Well,my initial profle was not very good,twicehappy. And when I had to say no to someone who wrote-based on things I left out..well,it got to my sense of fairness.

Omissions can be just as bad as lies,and I don't want a connection based on that. So I shrugged my shoulders,thought and then went back and redid it. I know that what I wrote seems pretty demanding and business like- But that's how I view it.

  But I look at this in a long term view,and I really don't want to bother with something I know would not last. And I know it will drive off anyone who doesn't REALY want what I am offering. If it takes years to come across someone,that's fine. It's not as if I have nothing to do in the meantime.




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