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YoungBlondeSlave -> RE: Putting prisoners of both genders to work (12/22/2010 11:47:12 AM)
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Jaybeee
I'd like some suggestions about what kinds of work we could allocate to prisoners, and whether we should make the burden lighter for female prisoners.
Nope, because women fought for equality, and they will sue. The favorite pastime of inmates is to find reasons to sue for unfairness. They don’t care the reasoning, if they perceive that they are suffering, then they want monetary compensation. Even if it was self-imposed.
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It occurs to me that, when we imprison a man (or woman), society suffers twice; once from the original crime committed, and again from the financial cost of processing him/her through the judiciary and then housing them as inmates.
I can’t believe I’m going to say this, especially considering the source but, I agree.
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Now, while we can't quantify the monetary value that society has lost as the result of a murdered man, a raped woman etc, we CAN put a price on the cost of the prison system. It's simply the total amount that a government spends on it per year, divided by the number of man-days (this will include female inmates, who btw per person cost us even more), and voila, for every day spent in prison, that's what each inmate owes the rest of us.
I’m not sure I understand how female inmates cost more. But then, I work at a men’s prison.
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While I recognise that most of these bastards are largely incapable of self-managing structured, supervised work, I am disgusted by the fact that they can laze around for most of the day while the rest of us put in gruelling 40/50+hr workweeks paying for their incarceration. So what I propose is that we turn prisons into what corporate accounting refers to as "cost-centres", inmates effectively mirror outside society by performing supervised, randomly-inspected sweatshop-level work, for profit, for a few hours a day. Effectively we would be insourcing, back into the West, the repetitive, menial work that has given China/Vietnam such tremendous economic advantage. One example I'm thinking of is stuffing toys (that are then taken to a local factory for machine-stiching) and sold at at competitive rates to toy manufacturers, and given free to orphanages, but I'm sure you people have far more profitable ideas.
Many inmates can, and do “laze about”. However, generally there’s a reason for it like getting a kite, and then having to lockdown the yard until it’s checked out. Generally they’re bogus but they can’t be too careful.
It drives us crazy too, especially when they’re so demanding of our time because they think that we have just as much free time. Periodically, one will say "I know you're busy, but I would really appreciate it if..." And, that garners a much more positive response from myself and the other nurses.
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Slackers who don't hit productivity targets will be penalised not with beatings or withdrawal of food, but priveleges such as library/tv-room access are withdrawn until such time as the laggard has made good his backlog. If he stops working altogether, he can just sit in isolation, and I mean sensory isolation too, no books, no visits from the prison psychologist, minimal light, minimal heat, no flavouring of any kind in his food etc. Just a security monitor high in his cell.
Cruel and unusual punishment will be cited here. Mental health cannot be denied, especially because the situation you're suggesting may very well cause a mental breakdown. The irony being these assholes are the worst of the worst doing god only knows what to their victims and sometimes their cellies, too (what I’ve found out just makes me shake my head in shame and disgust) and they want to complain about not having a TV.
And, there is no TV room, they have TVs inside their cells if they can afford to purchase one.
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And then I ran into a dilemma; normal government jobs that require heavy lifting (ie firefighting) MUST be open to women too, but could we legally set productivity targets as high for female inmates for a job like pumping air into a football?
i'm sure there's some intended derision about women being far less capable than men. Luckily, i didn't get it because it was poorly stated.
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lazarus1983
There is nothing new nor revolutionary about your idea. Everything in a prison is done by an inmate. Laundry, kitchen, janitorial work, work crews, landscaping, etc. Jobs are highly prized and an awesome management tool. At my prison we created jobs. Does the same corridor need to be swept, mopped, and buffed twice a day?
The one I work at, we have to regularly switch out our porters in medical because they begin to get a little too big for their britches. They start feeling a little more comfortable than they should just because we don’t treat them like shit. We do crazy things like tell them they’re doing a good job, and thank you. That being said, I won’t start being disrespectful to them unless they’re that way to me. And, I am grateful that they take out the trash, clean the clinic and restroom, restock and of course clean up the puke, blood and guts that sometimes find their way into the clinic; and do things that we just don’t have time for...or in those cases just simply don't want to.
Jobs are very highly valued by the inmates, they are only given to the best behaved and most capable. They are either paid, something along the lines of 18 cents per day, or they get paid in getting time taken off their sentence. There have even been some volunteers i'm told, who just want to do it to get out of their house (cell) and not be cooped up. Also, they get more privileges such as a daily shower and more time at yard.
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Female inmates are put to work the same way. The women's facility here has a giant fishery as their Prison Industry. Since corrections is always last in line for funding, yet society expects the most out of us, Prison Industries are very important.
Up until last year sometime, there was a dairy at the prison I work at. It got closed due to embezzling. Not sure if it will reopen.
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DarkSteven
I believe that license plates are all made by inmates.
The only issue is that if you use inmates for a specific job, then you impact the other workers in that industry, who must now compete against people who do not need to pay for food, rent, or utilities.
I was having a discussion with an Officer once, and stated the fact that I believe TONS of money could be saved if the prison was its own self contained community that could support itself. I talked to him about having a garden, orchard, and animals (the real assholes would have a hell of a time slaughtering them all for food) to produce the meals necessary for the inmates.
I was told it used to be that way but that the unions sued because the inmates were taking money and jobs away from the law abiding citizens who deserved and needed both.
I told him that I felt it would be good because it would give the inmates jobs and skills that they could utilize “on the outside” and give them a sense of purpose. The food would be more wholesome and nutrition instead of the shit they’re given now.
While I don’t give two shits about the fact that their food is subpar I do think that we shouldn’t give them food that is unhealthy and that causes Diabetes, High Blood Pressure, High Cholesterol, Heart Disease and everything that comes with it. Because, with that the costs of healthcare increase more which, with Plata is expensive enough. With the crap that we feed them, we're just making it worse.
There will never be an answer that will satisfy everyone. We just have to deal with it. As the saying goes, "You can't please everyone."
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