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pahunkboy -> FCC Rules Slammed From All Sides (12/20/2010 5:32:15 PM)

FCC Rules Slammed From All Sides
it will be just like cable tv.  if many do not want this then why are they pushing it?





Termyn8or -> RE: FCC Rules Slammed From All Sides (12/20/2010 6:13:18 PM)

What many want is of no concern to them.

T




pahunkboy -> RE: FCC Rules Slammed From All Sides (12/20/2010 6:24:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

What many want is of no concern to them.

T


aint that the truth. 




ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: FCC Rules Slammed From All Sides (12/20/2010 8:38:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

FCC Rules Slammed From All Sides
it will be just like cable tv.  if many do not want this then why are they pushing it?




Your answer's in the third paragraph -

quote:

There was one group, however, that seemed pleased by the new rules: the nation’s cable and telecommunications companies, which have been making the rounds in recent weeks signaling their support for Chairman Julius Genachowski’s compromise deal.


Once again, we get the best legislation money can buy.




DarkSteven -> RE: FCC Rules Slammed From All Sides (12/20/2010 8:46:42 PM)

To be blunt, it sounds like the new legislation is so vague that different groups are reading different things into it. I sure can't figure out anything from the article.




KenDckey -> RE: FCC Rules Slammed From All Sides (12/21/2010 5:47:15 AM)

The one thing that I ponder - If no one likes it, does that probably make it the right thing to do?     Just pondering




FirmhandKY -> RE: FCC Rules Slammed From All Sides (12/21/2010 6:07:31 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda

quote:

ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

FCC Rules Slammed From All Sides
it will be just like cable tv.  if many do not want this then why are they pushing it?


Your answer's in the third paragraph -

quote:

There was one group, however, that seemed pleased by the new rules: the nation’s cable and telecommunications companies, which have been making the rounds in recent weeks signaling their support for Chairman Julius Genachowski’s compromise deal.


Once again, we get the best legislation money can buy.

And this is one of the best reasons to dislike powerful government.

Firm




mnottertail -> RE: FCC Rules Slammed From All Sides (12/21/2010 6:08:43 AM)

Corporations you mean, it seems the government is powerless to do the right thing.




FirmhandKY -> RE: FCC Rules Slammed From All Sides (12/21/2010 6:20:09 AM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Corporations you mean, it seems the government is powerless to do the right thing.

No.  I mean powerful government.

Any powerful government can - and will - come under the sway of "corporations", and used to their advantage.

If the government is not powerful, then even if such "corporations" have disproportionate control and influence within society, "corporations" can not use it a a bludgeon for their advantage as easily.  They have to win their control and influence in the marketplace.

Allowing a powerful government allows "special interests" a path and a weapon to short circuit the free market, and diminish competitors through legislation. 

In other words, the more power the society gives to government, the more attractive they make it for "special interests" to co-op that power structure to their advantage.

Firm




RacerJim -> RE: FCC Rules Slammed From All Sides (12/21/2010 6:24:37 AM)

"When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. When the government fears the people, there is liberty." -- Thomas Jefferson





pahunkboy -> RE: FCC Rules Slammed From All Sides (12/21/2010 8:02:44 AM)

We should disband the FCC, and why stop there?




FirmhandKY -> RE: FCC Rules Slammed From All Sides (12/21/2010 10:11:32 AM)

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

We should disband the FCC, and why stop there?


Reboot the FCC
by Lawrence Lessig
December 23, 2008

Economic growth requires innovation. Trouble is, Washington is practically designed to resist it. Built into the DNA of the most important agencies created to protect innovation, is an almost irresistible urge to protect the most powerful instead.

The FCC is a perfect example.

The rest of the article is pretty interesting.

Also, interestingly enough, the FCC has adopted the term "reboot" and even has a new website in that name:

Reboot.FCC.Gov

Firm




Real0ne -> RE: FCC Rules Slammed From All Sides (12/21/2010 10:17:46 AM)

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

FCC Rules Slammed From All Sides
it will be just like cable tv.  if many do not want this then why are they pushing it?



government lesson 1) 

government lesson 2)







Real0ne -> RE: FCC Rules Slammed From All Sides (12/21/2010 10:27:42 AM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Corporations you mean, it seems the government is powerless to do the right thing.


to whom the supreme court gave literally the same rights as you have and no longer a cap on monopolizing and unlawful authority by defacto to operate quasi-publically on behalf of the presumed gubmint corporation.

of course this becomes a problem in that the corporation "person" is a made up "name" and some one or few real live people have to come forward as a member if said corporation and at that time they wind up in a ditch sucking ants.

The system has its checks and balances




pahunkboy -> RE: FCC Rules Slammed From All Sides (12/21/2010 10:34:08 AM)

Even my neighbor mentioned this FCC grab.  That is astounding.   She never gets into politics. 




popeye1250 -> RE: FCC Rules Slammed From All Sides (12/21/2010 10:45:26 AM)

Funny, I haven't heard the word "Monopoly" yet.
Our govt is supposed to be preventing monopolies not creating them!




ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: FCC Rules Slammed From All Sides (12/21/2010 5:36:31 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

quote:

ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda

quote:

ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

FCC Rules Slammed From All Sides
it will be just like cable tv.  if many do not want this then why are they pushing it?


Your answer's in the third paragraph -

quote:

There was one group, however, that seemed pleased by the new rules: the nation’s cable and telecommunications companies, which have been making the rounds in recent weeks signaling their support for Chairman Julius Genachowski’s compromise deal.


Once again, we get the best legislation money can buy.

And this is one of the best reasons to dislike powerful government.


But what exactly is "powerful government?" Who defines it, and by what criteria?

I think it's a much better argument against our particular model  of government, where legislative influence is sold to the highest bidder, and nobody even tries to seriously deny it anymore. The problem is not necessarily that the government has too much  power; the larger problem is that the wealthy have too much power over government. If you could do only one thing to change for the better the way our government works, the one thing that would probably have the most benefit would be to forbid corporate political contributions, allowing a maximum personal contribution of, say, $100 per year per candidate. Time-Warner's lobbyist would have no more leverage over a legislator than the guy who balances wheels at Tires Plus.

Oh, and Merry Christmas to you and Treasure, by the way... in case I'm not online again until after Christmas.





mnottertail -> RE: FCC Rules Slammed From All Sides (12/22/2010 7:52:59 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Corporations you mean, it seems the government is powerless to do the right thing.

No.  I mean powerful government.

Any powerful government can - and will - come under the sway of "corporations", and used to their advantage.

If the government is not powerful, then even if such "corporations" have disproportionate control and influence within society, "corporations" can not use it a a bludgeon for their advantage as easily.  They have to win their control and influence in the marketplace.

Allowing a powerful government allows "special interests" a path and a weapon to short circuit the free market, and diminish competitors through legislation. 

In other words, the more power the society gives to government, the more attractive they make it for "special interests" to co-op that power structure to their advantage.

Firm


And we have chicken and egg.  Shouldn't we insure that 'corporations and special interests' the equivalent to a 'nations vital interests' albeit on a much smaller scale of heineousness, should be ruthlessly gutted and made impotent?   




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