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Charles6682 -> Illuminati and The New World Order? (12/11/2010 5:56:03 PM)

I have alway's been curious about this "New World Order" type of thinking.The "Illuminati" and the "Skull and Bone's".I have known a few people who have pointed these group's out to me.Are these group's really some secret society that is really running the scene behind Washington D.C.? I have looked at a few website's and some of the "hidden' fact's are quite interesting. How about the Freemason's as well?.. I don't know if this stuff is real or just fantasy... I would think in 2010,with the information age we live in,that it would be hard for a society,to be such a secret,that no one know's about them. This is an intersting topic.




Moonhead -> RE: Illuminati and The New World Order? (12/11/2010 5:57:44 PM)

It's fantasy.
Unless you're pahunkboy or Real0ne, at least. In which case it's even realer than the mortgage payments...




SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: Illuminati and The New World Order? (12/11/2010 5:59:55 PM)

Yes there are secret societies but no they aren't that secret it seems. I don't know if the Skull and Bones clan actually enjoy urinating on one another (as a documentary suggested) but I really enjoy the idea of George Bush being urinated on.




AnimusRex -> RE: Illuminati and The New World Order? (12/11/2010 6:07:30 PM)

The best line I ever heard about Washington, is that the real scandal is not what is hidden or illegal, but what is open, and legal.

It has been shown as a fact that for the past 30 years, the upper 2% of society has grown wildly richer, while the other 98% has seen their incomes and standard of living decline.

It is a fact that many laws are written by self-interested parties, and that most congressional/ Senate staffers are either lobbyists or will be once they leave office.

This isn't some hidden secret, some deep dark knowledge that is concealed from public view. It is open, acknowledged, uncontested truth.

Secret societies are like the Devil- a force of evil, which is wholly unnecessary- people and governments are capable of being wicked and corrupt without them.




Aylee -> RE: Illuminati and The New World Order? (12/11/2010 6:33:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Charles6682

I have alway's been curious about this "New World Order" type of thinking.The "Illuminati" and the "Skull and Bone's".I have known a few people who have pointed these group's out to me.Are these group's really some secret society that is really running the scene behind Washington D.C.? I have looked at a few website's and some of the "hidden' fact's are quite interesting. How about the Freemason's as well?.. I don't know if this stuff is real or just fantasy... I would think in 2010,with the information age we live in,that it would be hard for a society,to be such a secret,that no one know's about them. This is an intersting topic.


New World Order is an oft used dystopian plot device for science fiction.  I own several of them.

Illuminati is a card game from Steve Jackson Games.  I have a copy of the game, it is okay.

Freemasons do exist.  They do a good deal of charity work.

Skull and Bones are at Yale.  They now are co-ed. 


Think about it for a moment.  If you and everyone else "knows" about these secret societies trying to run the world, then they are not very damn secret. 




ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Illuminati and The New World Order? (12/11/2010 6:38:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3

Yes there are secret societies but no they aren't that secret it seems. I don't know if the Skull and Bones clan actually enjoy urinating on one another (as a documentary suggested) but I really enjoy the idea of George Bush being urinated on.


And preferably by John Kerry, pissing on him in French.




SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: Illuminati and The New World Order? (12/11/2010 6:41:32 PM)

The best secret society is the




Charles6682 -> RE: Illuminati and The New World Order? (12/11/2010 6:49:35 PM)

I kind of alway's figured George Bush Jr was into golden shower's.After all,he was pissed on all over by Karl Rove,Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfield.I am sure there were alot more to enjoy in the game!




SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: Illuminati and The New World Order? (12/11/2010 6:58:19 PM)

The legend of soggy biscuit exists for a reason I guess.




MrRodgers -> RE: Illuminati and The New World Order? (12/11/2010 7:48:25 PM)

Illuminati comes from Latin around 1600 is a general term that refers to only those who claim superior enlightenment. So you too...could be Illuminati. Hell, I am Illuminati as I have superior enlightenment...don't you ?

To me, that superiority better be a very great superiority for that enlightenment would even begin to lead to power and who knows...maybe it does but how could one tell ? I don't know , that's a pretty full tank of...superior enlightenment.

One could say the Illuminati knows if there are any secret conspiratorial groups out there, so I thought I should ask. I did and the Illuminati asked me..."What the fuck is NWO ?"

NWO or new world order is also a general term in that the concept has been written about since 1919. It is a futuristic world outlook that believes that a few regions with one world govt. will eventually have to come to power to feed the 2 billion people left after the great purge...er plague. A few million in power will make the rest...slaves. Now before you get all wet ladies...not really that kind of slave. Unless of course you want to be worked to death...pleasing them all.

Simple, if you believe that there is a goal such as that and the basis is only being developed now for as always...the long haul, it is possible. If you think there is no such goal for the world, it is crazy conspiracy talk.




Real0ne -> RE: Illuminati and The New World Order? (12/11/2010 10:19:12 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

It's fantasy.
Unless you're pahunkboy or Real0ne, at least. In which case it's even realer than the mortgage payments...


well Charles if you want to wallow in ignorance just listen to the above poster.

On the other hand there are people like r1 and hunk who can rattle history off the top of their heads.

I just typed in weishaupt and it even comes up on wiki, so much for walking on the moon....

Johann Adam Weishaupt (February 6, 1748 in Ingolstadt – November 18, 1830[1][2][3][4] in Gotha) was a German philosopher and founder of the Order of Illuminati, a secret society with origins in Bavaria. Contents [hide] // [edit] Early life Adam Weishaupt was born on February 6, 1748 in Ingolstadt[1][5] in the Electorate of Bavaria. Weishaupt's father Johann Georg Weishaupt (1717–1753) died[5] when he was five years old. After his father's death he came under the tutelage of his godfather Johann Adam Freiherr von Ickstatt[6] who, like his father, was a professor of law at the University of Ingolstadt.[7] Ickstatt was a proponent of the philosophy of Christian Wolff and of the Enlightenment,[8] and he influenced the young Weishaupt with his rationalism. Weishaupt began his formal education at age seven[1] at a Jesuit school. He later enrolled at the University of Ingolstadt and graduated in 1768[9] at age 20 with a doctorate of law.[10] In 1772[11] he became a professor of law. The following year he married Afra Sausenhofer[12] of Eichstätt. After Pope Clement XIV’s suppression of the Society of Jesus in 1773, Weishaupt became a professor of canon law,[13] a position that was held exclusively by the Jesuits until that time. In 1775 Weishaupt was introduced[14] to the empirical philosophy of Johann Georg Heinrich Feder[15] of the University of Göttingen. Both Feder and Weishaupt would later become opponents of Kantian idealism.[16] [edit] Founder of the Illuminati “ At a time, however, when there was no end of making game of and abusing secret societies, I planned to make use of this human foible for a real and worthy goal, for the benefit of people. I wished to do what the heads of the ecclesiastical and secular authorities ought to have done by virtue of their offices ...[17] ” On May 1, 1776 Weishaupt formed the "Order of Perfectibilists". He adopted the name of "Brother Spartacus" within the order. Though the Order was not egalitarian or democratic, its mission was the abolition of all monarchical governments and state religions in Europe and its colonies.[citation needed] Weishaupt wrote: "the ends justified the means."[citation needed] The actual character of the society was modeled on the Jesuits[citation needed], and was an elaborate network of spies and counter-spies. Each isolated cell of initiates reported to a superior, whom they did not know, a party structure that was effectively adopted by some later groups. Weishaupt was initiated into the Masonic Lodge "Theodor zum guten Rath", at Munich in 1777. His project of "illumination, enlightening the understanding by the sun of reason, which will dispel the clouds of superstition and of prejudice" was an unwelcome reform.[citation needed] Soon however he had developed gnostic mysteries of his own, with the goal of "perfecting human" nature through re-education to achieve a communal state with nature, freed of government and organized religion. He began working towards incorporating his system of Illuminism with that of Freemasonry. He wrote: "I did not bring Deism into Bavaria more than into Rome. I found it here, in great vigour, more abounding than in any of the neighboring Protestant States. I am proud to be known to the world as the founder of the Illuminati."[citation needed] Weishaupt's radical rationalism and vocabulary was not likely to succeed. Writings that were intercepted in 1784 were interpreted as seditious, and the Society was banned by the government of Karl Theodor, Elector of Bavaria, in 1784. Weishaupt lost his position at the University of Ingolstadt and fled Bavaria.

go to wiki for the rest
very real stuff
these people all go underground after they wind up with bad press

if you want the new world order look to

the crown (aristocracy from the nations at large)
the bankers (financial)
the pope who claims the whole world and their cronies
the military industrial complex in support of the above 3

you?  aint in the big club.







Charles6682 -> RE: Illuminati and The New World Order? (12/11/2010 11:00:51 PM)

I have heard about the so called "world government".I am curious as to a few thing's.What about those symbol's that are on a American dollar bill?Does any of that represent some kind of "New World Order" and other symbol's like it found in other area's?




Domanatrix -> RE: Illuminati and The New World Order? (12/11/2010 11:08:06 PM)

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Real0ne -> RE: Illuminati and The New World Order? (12/11/2010 11:17:10 PM)


In a sense sure.  but only a sense.

I never really dug to deep into the actual symbols themselves as the problem with symbols is that they are symbolic.

I suppose the eye of horus is pretty obvious but in as much as the pyramid if that is what you are talking about I would tend to base my view on what I know of history.

the head is broken from the body, the feudal system (that we in america unwittingly live under), is pyramid scheme.  the head or top was severed with the creation of an independent government annexed to the crown only by treaties.  Hence the split.

If you follow english law you can see that it takes roughly 20 years for all applicable acts passed in england to be passed here, granted not worded the same but to achieve the same end.  Just one of my astute observations.

Are there overlords in a feudal system?  you bet.  dont pay your property tax and lord kicks you out on your ass and puts someone in who will.

Its all done by deception and the peoples presumption they understand whats going on around them.  Thats why the place is in the mess its in.

In the final analysis life winds up being a pyramid scheme.  If you took all the money away from that little group on top and gave it to the group on the bottom.

give it 100 years the money would be right back in the hands of the little group on top.

Just one of the sad realities about people.  Until people at large become illuminated its inevitable.

In days past only the very wealthy could afford to by the books as they were all hand written.

Through the printing press, and now internet.  So its getting bettter, but those who are working 5 jobs just to fee the family and pay bills are at a marked disadvantage for wrapping their minds around how they are getting screwed by those who "govern".





Kirata -> RE: Illuminati and The New World Order? (12/11/2010 11:52:07 PM)


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ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda

preferably by John Kerry, pissing on him in French.

And the handwriting is Laura's. [:D]

K.




Moonhead -> RE: Illuminati and The New World Order? (12/12/2010 5:15:52 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Aylee
Illuminati is a card game from Steve Jackson Games.  I have a copy of the game, it is okay.

Illuminatus! was a series of novels by Robert Anton Wilson and Robert Shea a good decade earlier.




pahunkboy -> RE: Illuminati and The New World Order? (12/12/2010 6:30:04 AM)

Charles!

Ask questions and dig.  This is how your learn.   Pay attention to key phrases.

I think you are in good shape here.   Question the establishment...

Good post.




SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: Illuminati and The New World Order? (12/12/2010 6:41:10 AM)

Why not give the man some directions? You've been digging longer so obviously are better placed to know which part of the garden to start the hole in?




pahunkboy -> RE: Illuminati and The New World Order? (12/12/2010 6:57:22 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3

Why not give the man some directions? You've been digging longer so obviously are better placed to know which part of the garden to start the hole in?


Fair enough.

Lets do this.  You argue my point for me.    (Just for fun)

See how convincing you can be for this side of the argument.




SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: Illuminati and The New World Order? (12/12/2010 7:06:03 AM)

Why the mystery? You are like a tease; alluding to all these dark conspiracies but you show nothing of credible substance when pressed.

Your world is far more interesting than mine. Part of me would love your world to be true but I tend to distinguish between that which I watch on that little screen in the corner of the room and that of the world I live in.




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