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Man invents machine that turns plastic into oil - 12/10/2010 9:10:12 AM   
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RE: Man invents machine that turns plastic into oil - 12/10/2010 9:32:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		Cute.  He heats up plastic in an oxygen free environment (probably deoxygenated air, almost pure nitrogen) so that it cannot burn.  He gasifies it instead of liquefying it, presumably to get rid of impurities.  The plastic he uses as feedstock has all sorts of crap on it but is probably more uniform than crude oil.  The only question is how much energy does it need to convert plastic into oil, although as he said, the process to extract, refine, and then ship oil is pretty energy intensive as well.


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RE: Man invents machine that turns plastic into oil - 12/10/2010 9:51:51 AM   
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The only question is how much energy does it need to convert plastic into oil...


This is true. So far, I haven't seen a comparative analysis.

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RE: Man invents machine that turns plastic into oil - 12/10/2010 9:59:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		Plastic, with the exception of synthetic, is made from the leftovers of crude oil refining for fuel purposes... So, what's the big deal squeezing out the last few drops? What'd be cool is if he could turn water into fuel... Oh wait! They can!

We should focus our energy in that..

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RE: Man invents machine that turns plastic into oil - 12/10/2010 10:25:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		An even more interesting clip. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWf9nYbm3ac&feature=related

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RE: Man invents machine that turns plastic into oil - 12/10/2010 10:29:36 AM   
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What'd be cool is if he could turn water into fuel... Oh wait! They can! We should focus our energy in that..
As well as thermo-nuclear, solar, wind, and wave energies.

But until better methods emerge and become feasible under our current economic structure, recycling plastic back into oil would reduce landfill and increase sustainability.



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RE: Man invents machine that turns plastic into oil - 12/10/2010 10:31:26 AM   
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Plastic, with the exception of synthetic, is made from the leftovers of crude oil refining for fuel purposes... So, what's the big deal squeezing out the last few drops? What'd be cool is if he could turn water into fuel... Oh wait! They can!

We should focus our energy in that..


Why?  Water is a precious commodity.  Waste plastic is not.  All other things being equal, I'd rather produce fuel from waste than water any day.  Not to mention that gaseous hydrogen and oxygen are safety concerns more than liquid oil.


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RE: Man invents machine that turns plastic into oil - 12/10/2010 10:40:04 AM   
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An even more interesting clip. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWf9nYbm3ac&feature=related


Interesting.

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RE: Man invents machine that turns plastic into oil - 12/10/2010 10:51:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		Some time back i read an article about spray on solar panels. Have been unable to find the original but this is clip on u-tube is far better http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLSARSw2JUQ

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RE: Man invents machine that turns plastic into oil - 12/10/2010 11:18:30 AM   
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Some time back i read an article about spray on solar panels. Have been unable to find the original but this is clip on u-tube is far better http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLSARSw2JUQ


More on Ted Sargent projects:

http://www.light.utoronto.ca/

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RE: Man invents machine that turns plastic into oil - 12/10/2010 12:33:06 PM   
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RE: Man invents machine that turns plastic into oil - 12/11/2010 2:19:13 AM   
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This is not the first time. Wheh the gasoline internal conbustion engine was developed/modified to propel automobiles it was a breakthrough as well. Gasoline used to be burnt out in the fields. Now it runs (ruins) the world.

I hate to start blowing my horn here but I knew this shit was possible for some time, but that was recent and after I realized the impact on the planet, but before I realized that a negative impact wasn't all that bad an idea. Long story to say the least.

Other than food etc., what do we use ? Most of it is really paper or plastic. Paper is routinely recycled to reproduce pulp, which is then bleached once again and is used to print newspapers. A natural development. I'd bet if wood producers had any lobbying power they would do all the could to stop the flow of recycled paper. But not the printers.......

Similarly this technology could cause a split in the intimate relationship between oil companies and car manufacturers for example. There would be problems but new problem solvers would be discovered, errr, ain't that what this is all about ? If our dollars were to spend on vehicles able to use a variety of fuels, what do you think they would produce ? The dollar drives everything and these new innovators are no exception. They get a chance to invent something that is good, and they should make some money off of it. People who figure shit like this out are the ones who deserve to be rich. Whether it happens or not is anyone's guess.

Now there is always garbage, chip bags, food containers and such, but what of other things ? Start melting down cellphones, TV sets, anything made of plastic. Then you get the bonus of phosphourous, copper and a whole slew of other elements. They don't just go away. This is a way to stop taking from the Earth, or at least slow it down. Politics aside, because any asshole against this should and probably will be shut out.

If we could recycle everything we would not have to fight wars.

Think of that, and the money saved.

And then think of how the world is run and go back to your normally scheduled program.

T

ETA : If you're concerned about the energy required to heat this gunk up to make it happen, think solar. Worked the first time. With a fresnel component from a screen of a junker old projection TV you can get enough solar heat to melt lead at least, maybe more. A buddy and I BURNED ASPHALT one day with one.

Cosmic justice, the sun did it the first time, and can do it again. Are those pagan religions all that stupid now ?

T

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RE: Man invents machine that turns plastic into oil - 12/11/2010 4:22:18 AM   
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Why? Water is a precious commodity. Waste plastic is not. All other things being equal, I'd rather produce fuel from waste than water any day. Not to mention that gaseous hydrogen and oxygen are safety concerns more than liquid oil.

There is plenty of water just not much drinking water. Electrolysis of water into hydrogen and oxygen with solar energy. Then the reaction of hydrogen with oxygen to produce water vapour seems quite a sustainable solution for most passenger vehicles. A lot of the plastics floating about can be recycled in better ways.


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RE: Man invents machine that turns plastic into oil - 12/11/2010 4:09:04 PM   
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If our dollars were to spend on vehicles able to use a variety of fuels, what do you think they would produce ?


They'd produce the Stirling engine.  Germany used it a lot during WW2.

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Why? Water is a precious commodity. Waste plastic is not. All other things being equal, I'd rather produce fuel from waste than water any day. Not to mention that gaseous hydrogen and oxygen are safety concerns more than liquid oil.

There is plenty of water just not much drinking water. Electrolysis of water into hydrogen and oxygen with solar energy. Then the reaction of hydrogen with oxygen to produce water vapour seems quite a sustainable solution for most passenger vehicles. A lot of the plastics floating about can be recycled in better ways.



If the water has NaCl in it, I don't see it going to gaseous H and O as much as HCL and NaOH - hydrogen chloride and sodium hydroxide.  Nasty chemicals that are corrosive as heck, and I don't see energy coming from them easily.


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RE: Man invents machine that turns plastic into oil - 12/11/2010 6:08:20 PM   
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If our dollars were to spend on vehicles able to use a variety of fuels, what do you think they would produce ?


They'd produce the Stirling engine.  Germany used it a lot during WW2.

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Why? Water is a precious commodity. Waste plastic is not. All other things being equal, I'd rather produce fuel from waste than water any day. Not to mention that gaseous hydrogen and oxygen are safety concerns more than liquid oil.

There is plenty of water just not much drinking water. Electrolysis of water into hydrogen and oxygen with solar energy. Then the reaction of hydrogen with oxygen to produce water vapour seems quite a sustainable solution for most passenger vehicles. A lot of the plastics floating about can be recycled in better ways.



If the water has NaCl in it, I don't see it going to gaseous H and O as much as HCL and NaOH - hydrogen chloride and sodium hydroxide.  Nasty chemicals that are corrosive as heck, and I don't see energy coming from them easily.


In electrolysis of an aqueous solution of NaCl (Salt water) the H2 and O2 bubble up at the anode and the cathode and the salt is left behind. When it gets concentrated enough, it just crystalizes out of solution.

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RE: Man invents machine that turns plastic into oil - 12/12/2010 5:52:41 AM   
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Well then we don''t really need that gasoline.

Technically that is true. I got a buddy who got started on this water powered car thing. He's not the brightest bulb on the tree. It's a great idea but for now is a bit impractical. I wonder if this particular process could be made practical. It's not just that you get oil out of it, it gets rid of garbage. Remember the boat they set float from NYC ? I think it's still out there floating around. We do have a serious waste problem on this planet and ANYTHING that can come out of it that is useful is worth persuing. Waste management is a big problem even in this little shitcan of a city. Imagine it in a real city.

Could someone actually make out doing this ? Intercept a large amount of plastic garbage and just live off the profits ? If you've been in a business that doesn't primarily shuffle papers you know. It costs money to get rid of this shit. Call the dumpster company and get an extra pickup, you would think you're ordering a dirty bomb. They charge money for a reason. It doesn't all just go in their pocket, you pay them, they pay someone else. Could this recovered oil at least cover that cost ? If so it could be a gold mine if someone knows how to run it right.

In some ways this is one of the more hopeful ideas I've heard lately, among a couple of dozen. Any of this has to be financially viable to succeed, nobody wants to pay more for anything, and many can't.

Whether or not this really amounts to anything is anybody's guess, but it's nice to know that some people are thinking in the right direction. One person's garbage is another's treasure.

T

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RE: Man invents machine that turns plastic into oil - 12/12/2010 7:52:29 AM   
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In electrolysis of an aqueous solution of NaCl (Salt water) the H2 and O2 bubble up at the anode and the cathode and the salt is left behind. When it gets concentrated enough, it just crystalizes out of solution.


Not quite. When you do this the solution offgases hydrogen, true, but the remainder is sodium hypochlorite, which is pretty much a low concentration chlorine bleach. Now this has uses of course, the process is used in the water treatment industry but to produce your fuel from seawater you'd need to desalinate first.


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RE: Man invents machine that turns plastic into oil - 12/12/2010 8:11:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		Vast areas of the worlds oceans and seas are polluted with plastic, much of which has broken down into small particles which can then find it,s way into the food chain. Along with the visible pollutants come the chemicals that leach out, many of these once in the food chain will be passed on up. http://www.divinecaroline.com/22355/91867-sea-plastic-great-pacific-garbage

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