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pahunkboy -> Requested songs are required to be delayed 60 minutes by the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (12/8/2010 10:33:25 AM)

Requested songs are required to be delayed 60 minutes by the Digital Millennium Copyright Act

This now shows up when I request a song on my radio station that I like.

Has anyone heard of this?   How does this work?  I presumed a song wont even make the play list- if it violates this?

To be fair- we had some problems there on stacking the top 40- and several of us took the matter up with the owner.

He has fixed the stacking.  So I am happy about that!




Termyn8or -> RE: Requested songs are required to be delayed 60 minutes by the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (12/8/2010 11:22:27 AM)

Makes sense. You could record the songs off the radio, so now you have to wait an hour.

It's almost a joke though. I recorded alot of radio on cassettes. They are catching up to me (in the 1970-80s). This REALLY cramps my style because you only get 45 min./side of a C-90 cassette and the quality of many C-120s is leeser. With all that modern equipment I must've cost them alot. A cassette deck with dolby HX recording downstream from a dynamic range expander made really good cassettes. If you want to edit, put the expander between the playing deck and the recorder, get rid of those nasty commercials. I better watch my ass, they're only thirty some years behind.

When the digital age came a bit later, you could order music that way. You were allowed to record it and burn it. However there was a supersonic digital code embedded so they could ID the original recorder. All fine and good unless they find IDable copies all over the place. Of course the original recorder might've been pirated if some nefarious types got their hands on his CDs. But then a twelve pole low pass filter cutting off at around 18 Khz would take care of that. If the code was subsonic a similar high pass filter would work.

In fact there was a time when you would order a PPV movie on satellite and they would ask if you want it for watching or recording, it was extra to record. How did they pull that off ? They changed the framerate/interlace of the video so that the servos in a VCR could not lock onto the signal. Of course then macrovison came around but it didn't work on VCRs that did not use an RMS detector to set the modulation level. I have a beta VCR that has no problem with macrovision, but then if I try to make a VHS copy, the macrovision is still there and screws up that recording. Mine is fine.

Like I said, there is no way to shut down the downloaders. The only effective way for them to accomplish anything is to change the signal, or the software used to copy, compress and play it. It's all they can really do, because anything directed solely at the download process will be very short lived. Changing the signal is their silver bullet, SHHHH don't tell them anything.

T




pahunkboy -> RE: Requested songs are required to be delayed 60 minutes by the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (12/8/2010 11:32:51 AM)

If there is a way to record from here- other then putting a mid near the computer- please let me know.

http://freevermontradio.org/




blackpearl81 -> RE: Requested songs are required to be delayed 60 minutes by the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (12/8/2010 11:36:14 AM)


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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

Requested songs are required to be delayed 60 minutes by the Digital Millennium Copyright Act

This now shows up when I request a song on my radio station that I like.

Has anyone heard of this?   How does this work?  I presumed a song wont even make the play list- if it violates this?

To be fair- we had some problems there on stacking the top 40- and several of us took the matter up with the owner.

He has fixed the stacking.  So I am happy about that!




Yeah.

I used to run an internet radio station (still do, but it's more shades of "Pump up the Volume" than anything legitimate).

That was one of the many "rules" the Royalty Board imposed on internet broadcasters.

Some of the other rules were the new rates:

X cents per song, per hour, per listener

So if you negotiated .005 cents per song, and you played 20 songs per hour (you figure on average of 3 minutes song, /60 min per hour) you'd owe .10 for that hour. If you had 10 listeners, you'd owe 1.00 for that hour. If you had 200 listeners, you'd owe 20 bucks for that hour.

Imagine the royalties owed for a month of 24/7 live shows?

It got too much for us, and we had to shut down.

Some other rules that were imposed are:

You can't play 2 songa off the same album within an hour.
You can't play the same artist within an hour (which practically negates rule #1)

It played havoc with our "Twofer Tuesdays", (1 hour of "doubleshots" - 2 songs by the same band) "Get the Led out" (A Led Zeppelin tribute - an hour of Led Zeppelin) and "Flashback Fridays" (2 hours of 80's hits)

It really sucked - we made a good amount of money on "sponsorships" (donations that we repaid by playing advertisements) & merchandise - mousepads, t-shirts, thongs, fridge magnets, etc.




pahunkboy -> RE: Requested songs are required to be delayed 60 minutes by the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (12/8/2010 12:16:16 PM)

The owner keeps tweeking the settings.

He is trying- I give him credit for that=- and there has been improvement.      He had a once ever 4 hour rule for the same artist.   So- one could request the same song every 8 hours. 




MasterG2kTR -> RE: Requested songs are required to be delayed 60 minutes by the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (12/8/2010 12:33:45 PM)

Hunk, you got some suck-ass radio stations in your area. The one I listen to most, has an "all request lunch hour" from noon to 1:00 every weekday.

and Blackpearl, that same station also has it's Twofer Tuesday every week without any issues. They even have special weekends where they will do power blocks (3 in-a-row) of the same artist at the top of every hour on those weekends.

If you want to check them out (they have live streaming over the net) here's a LINK, but you have to have the Microsoft Silverlight add-in installed. Also for what it's worth, they have appeared several times on the cover of Rolling Stone magazine as the top Rock Station in the nation, and consistently in the top 10.




blackpearl81 -> RE: Requested songs are required to be delayed 60 minutes by the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (12/8/2010 12:37:57 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MasterG2kTR

Hunk, you got some suck-ass radio stations in your area. The one I listen to most, has an "all request lunch hour" from noon to 1:00 every weekday.

and Blackpearl, that same station also has it's Twofer Tuesday every week without any issues. They even have special weekends where they will do power blocks (3 in-a-row) of the same artist at the top of every hour on those weekends.

If you want to check them out (they have live streaming over the net) here's a LINK, but you have to have the Microsoft Silverlight add-in installed. Also for what it's worth, they have appeared several times on the cover of Rolling Stone magazine as the top Rock Station in the nation, and consistently in the top 10.




Is it a terrestrial (ground station) that's also broadcasting online? That's probably why they can get around that




pahunkboy -> RE: Requested songs are required to be delayed 60 minutes by the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (12/8/2010 12:38:08 PM)

Mast,   yeah- local radio could be better here.

107.3 is good at 9 am for 107 minutes.   Classic Rock.   Other then that- I listen to Internet radio.




Termyn8or -> RE: Requested songs are required to be delayed 60 minutes by the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (12/8/2010 1:07:40 PM)

"If there is a way to record from here- other then putting a mid near the computer"

I assume you mean a mic. Yes there is but you need a full duplex soundcard and a couple of cables. Put a Y adapter on the output, disable any equalizers on the PC and run a sound recorder simultaneously as you listen.

I've tried stealing it from the cache but the stream deletes itself. Never got a file out of it.

In short you need a fast PC and a really good soundcard. This is the kind you would need to do overdubbing, the $19 special is not likely to work.

I am still looking for a soundcard that can actually record more than two channels at once. I am not talking about Dolby surround, that is all encoded into the two real discrete channels. I mean more than two more actual channels at least, so it can be post mixed. There are digital recorders that do it, they run on a harddrive. Obviously the technology exists, but every time I go looking my wallet cries.

We looked into it when a few of us got together to try to make some music. Five mikes for the drums into a six channel mixer, two more mikes going through the main mixer. Two guitars, a stereo digital piano and a bass added up quite quickly. I mean you better have a black gold credit card. The recorder we looked at only did four discrete channels though, so true post mixing would be limited to overdubbing. That means real time or another generation in the path. This was nowhere near what the pros use.

I'd say a soundcard around $75 would do what you want. Setting the thing up just right is important too. First you have to buy the right stuff, then you have to set it up after installing the drivers.

By the time you do all that you might be better of going to a high end second hand audio dealer and getting a good cassette deck. You can then just ripo the tape back to the harddrive afterwards. It depends on the qualit you want. A really good cassette deck will cost, they not only stopped depreciating, they have appreciated in value. With that though you could use the same tape over and over, with a stand alone CD recorder you might not. If it's voice, you don't need a Nakamichi Dragon, a lower quality unit would suffice.

If you want anything like digital quality music, get one with Dolby HX and probably Dolby C as well. On metal tape they come close enough for most people. Of course I am not most people when it comes to that. Over the years I've spent alot of money on audio equipment because the sound quality is and always has been important to me.

One thing I like about the digital age is that they remastered alot. I have been pleasantly surprised more than once by the quality of music recorded nearly fifty years ago.

T




MasterG2kTR -> RE: Requested songs are required to be delayed 60 minutes by the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (12/8/2010 1:47:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: blackpearl81

Is it a terrestrial (ground station) that's also broadcasting online?


Yes




DesFIP -> RE: Requested songs are required to be delayed 60 minutes by the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (12/8/2010 6:17:06 PM)

That's different than an internet station only. Apples to oranges. The rules are different for the two.

Okay why does every station want to play Zeppelin back to back. The station my kid listens to in the car calls it the Zep Set. But it's always Zeppelin. Never anybody else. Just for once I'd like them to advertise a Beatle set or a Traffic set.




blackpearl81 -> RE: Requested songs are required to be delayed 60 minutes by the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (12/8/2010 7:55:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

That's different than an internet station only. Apples to oranges. The rules are different for the two.

Okay why does every station want to play Zeppelin back to back. The station my kid listens to in the car calls it the Zep Set. But it's always Zeppelin. Never anybody else. Just for once I'd like them to advertise a Beatle set or a Traffic set.



DesFIP:

Thats exactly what it is - terrestrial stations have a different royalty payment schedule. There's no accurate way to record how many listeners where tuned in at a specific time. Where as with internet radio, the streaming servers (audio relay) log all the incoming connections, the duration, etc.

There was actually a small script we ran to collect that data and feed it to the royalty company that we paid.

Re: "Get the Led out"

Honestly? I think because the show title "Get the Led out" has a nice ring to it.

Then again, I did a trial run of "Scaling the Wall" - which was an hour long set of Pink Floyd tunes, on my station. It lasted like a month though. Not many people were into it (according to the poll that was taken afterwards)

:(




Termyn8or -> RE: Requested songs are required to be delayed 60 minutes by the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (12/8/2010 10:26:22 PM)

To expound on that.

A terrestrial radio station's possible audience is determined by demographics, geographics and their power output. The physical area which they can cover is limited. It may not be a hit counter involved, but the expected perspective audience can be estimated, and the fee scale adjusted. Happens all the time.

On the net, the potential audience is unlimited, within normal terms. At least almost anyone on the planet is a potential listener. This removes a previously imposed limitation. In paying licensing fees and all that, a terrestrial radio station has a vested interest in maintaining the validity of intellectual property rights, and they are therefore in bed with the RIAA. You don't think the government was the sole impetus for the enforcement of intellectual property right I hope. Money bought those rights. Lobbyists and lawyers.

Yep them po foke we been ripping off since I was a kid. It's amazing they can afford a baloney sandwich.

T




pahunkboy -> RE: Requested songs are required to be delayed 60 minutes by the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (12/9/2010 7:08:38 PM)

hackers took the site down tonight-- it has been down for several hours. 




Lucylastic -> RE: Requested songs are required to be delayed 60 minutes by the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (12/9/2010 7:10:39 PM)

I honestly cannot remember the last time I listened to a radio
is that sad or what




blackpearl81 -> RE: Requested songs are required to be delayed 60 minutes by the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (12/9/2010 7:52:14 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

I honestly cannot remember the last time I listened to a radio
is that sad or what




Nope. Not in the least. I'm in that same boat with you.

I blame it on two things: the stupid advertisements, and the lack of originality in todays music. To be honest, 90% of todays music has none of my interest. Gimme the Stones, The Doors, Pink Floyd, or Jimi any day of the week - guys who KNOW how to play a guitar, and not some digitally sampled, electronically mutated (auto tune - I mean, REALLY?!) clusterfuck.


/my 2 cents.




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