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RIP: Eliz. Edwards - 12/7/2010 4:04:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		I greatly admired her. She handled herself with grace and dignity thru out her battle and despite her idiot husband.

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RE: RIP: Eliz. Edwards - 12/7/2010 4:25:55 PM   
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RE: RIP: Eliz. Edwards - 12/7/2010 7:04:16 PM   
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She brought some class to the awful situation she found herself in.


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RE: RIP: Eliz. Edwards - 12/8/2010 5:24:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		The articles said that she died surrounded by family.  Not exactly - her ex was not there for her.  Nor, when a bunch of statements about her were posted by Hillary, John Kerry, etc., was John Edwards represented.  The son of a bitch cut ties to her and by not being there at this point, is cutting ties to the three surviving children he had by her.

She deserved better.


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RE: RIP: Eliz. Edwards - 12/8/2010 5:43:47 AM   
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RE: RIP: Eliz. Edwards - 12/8/2010 6:34:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		I thought she filed for a separation after it became known that he had a child with another woman...

He screwed around and was caught, fair enough that she chucked him out, but accusing him of leaving her when she left him (understandable) seems a bit far fetched.

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RE: RIP: Eliz. Edwards - 12/8/2010 6:39:48 AM   
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I thought she filed for a separation after it became known that he had a child with another woman...

He screwed around and was caught, fair enough that she chucked him out, but accusing him of leaving her when she left him (understandable) seems a bit far fetched.



It's all in how you look at it. I'd say he left her the moment he screwed around on her. If people aren't willing to live up to their marriage vows, they should get married.

That aside, I hope whatever is on the other side is kind to her. She deserves it after the shit she's been through.

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RE: RIP: Eliz. Edwards - 12/8/2010 7:11:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm not for people breaking promises, but we all make mistakes... Being a politician and being in a position of power you are exposed to more temptations, it's easy to be judgmental if you're not in the same position.

I'm not trying to put down what she went through, but I think there are a lot of people out there suffering from cancer and not all of them might have had the advantages she had in fighting the dreaded disease!

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RE: RIP: Eliz. Edwards - 12/8/2010 7:26:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		I had heard on the news last night that John Edwards was with her when she died.  The link below says he was with her in her final days, not sure if that means at the moment of death or not.

I don't know if I would want my ex with me when I was dying, if he had betrayed me in the way John Edwards did. I think if I had children, as they do, I would want it for my children's sake. But given I do not have children, I really don't think I would.

http://www.necn.com/12/08/10/America-remembers-Elizabeth-Edwards/landing_nation.html?blockID=368820&feedID=4207

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RE: RIP: Eliz. Edwards - 12/8/2010 7:29:05 AM   
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I'm not for people breaking promises, but we all make mistakes... Being a politician and being in a position of power you are exposed to more temptations, it's easy to be judgmental if you're not in the same position.

I'm not trying to put down what she went through, but I think there are a lot of people out there suffering from cancer and not all of them might have had the advantages she had in fighting the dreaded disease!


Ouch! Having one of my own basic philosophies (it's easy to have high moral values when the consequences don't affect you) thrown back at me. That hurts. Still, I'm not sure if being a politician or having power increases opportunity for temptation, more likely it just increases the belief that you can get away with it (paying people to keep quiet, hiring the "right" lawyer, etc.) - which is probably true. Still, he got caught and my sympathy for him is limited.

There is no doubt that her wealth gave her advantages in fighting the disease but that too is something we should not be judgmental about. If you needed an operation to save your life, would you turn it down because other people could not afford it?

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RE: RIP: Eliz. Edwards - 12/8/2010 7:40:28 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze

I'm not for people breaking promises, but we all make mistakes... Being a politician and being in a position of power you are exposed to more temptations, it's easy to be judgmental if you're not in the same position.

I'm not trying to put down what she went through, but I think there are a lot of people out there suffering from cancer and not all of them might have had the advantages she had in fighting the dreaded disease!


A mistake is one thing. To continue the affair after your partner finds out, to publically deny the affair after being caught, to deny your own child < Reille's daughter > and point fingers at another man as being the father of your child to protect your " image " is not a mistake. It is intentional, well thought out and purposeful. He is not a piece of shit because he had an affair. He is a piece of shit on ohhh soo many levels for being a scumbag... to his wife, to his children with Eliz, to his child with Reille and to his friend whom he tried to " blame " for being the father and countless others whom his lies and deciet affected. That is not a mistake.
YMMV.

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RE: RIP: Eliz. Edwards - 12/8/2010 7:46:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don't know, I used to work as a journalist before changing career paths and working in PR (before the airlines managed to poison me with their food, plus a couple of years of steady jet lag wasn't really good for my health), anybody in the limelight has more temptations, because they get offered more, it's almost as if fame makes people sexy for some other people, I'm actually always surprised that not ore celeb marriages crash and burn...

Heavens, I am not criticizing or judging her for taking all the advantages her wealth gave her when fighting the disease, all I was saying is that we ought to remember that there are a lot of other people out there who might not be able to afford operations, medication etc and they don't suffer less. Bit of a touchy subject, 2 friends recently lost family members to cancer.

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RE: RIP: Eliz. Edwards - 12/8/2010 7:58:09 AM   
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ORIGINAL: maybemaybenot

I had heard on the news last night that John Edwards was with her when she died.  The link below says he was with her in her final days, not sure if that means at the moment of death or not.

I don't know if I would want my ex with me when I was dying, if he had betrayed me in the way John Edwards did. I think if I had children, as they do, I would want it for my children's sake. But given I do not have children, I really don't think I would.

http://www.necn.com/12/08/10/America-remembers-Elizabeth-Edwards/landing_nation.html?blockID=368820&feedID=4207

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I wonder if, when death is knocking at our door, forgiveness becomes easier and more important.  I'm betting it does.

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RE: RIP: Eliz. Edwards - 12/8/2010 8:31:45 AM   
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ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss

I wonder if, when death is knocking at our door, forgiveness becomes easier and more important.  I'm betting it does.

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I suspect it does, sunshine. I'm a firm believe that we cannot move forward until we forgive those who have * wronged * us.  < whatever you define that to be >  I have lived my life to date so that foregiveness will not be needed at the time of my death, I hope that I can continue that way.

I had a very good friend, who was sexually and physically abused by her natural father from the age of 4-6, when she was removed from the home and put in foster care and he was jailed. A few months before she died, at the age of 28, she called her natural father, who had been out of prison about a year, and asked him to come to see her. Her reasons went to the grave with her, all she would ever say when asked why she wanted to see him was that she could not leave this earth and enter the next life content with hate in her heart. The meeting was private and she never spoke of it, I have always hoped she got the contentment she so wanted. I think she did, she left this life quite gently with her little ones and ex husband at her side

You have given me food for thought tho. I have only had one relationship end very ugly and while I have forgiven the person and he knows this, I have no desire to be around him. If  I were terminally ill, and for some reason he wanted to be with me to forgive himself, which he hasn't, I would not deny him that. I'm not sayign he would have to verbalize he wanted to forgive himself, I just don't see any other reason he would want to be there.

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RE: RIP: Eliz. Edwards - 12/8/2010 9:09:18 AM   
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ORIGINAL: maybemaybenot

I had heard on the news last night that John Edwards was with her when she died.  The link below says he was with her in her final days, not sure if that means at the moment of death or not.

I don't know if I would want my ex with me when I was dying, if he had betrayed me in the way John Edwards did. I think if I had children, as they do, I would want it for my children's sake. But given I do not have children, I really don't think I would.

http://www.necn.com/12/08/10/America-remembers-Elizabeth-Edwards/landing_nation.html?blockID=368820&feedID=4207

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Not sure how I would handle things if put in the same situation. However, we had a patient that was dying of cancer. I didn't know him, but when his ex wife came in, I was shocked, because I knew her. She was there with their daughters. As she explained to me, "there was a time I loved him, and that was so long ago. I certainly wouldn't wish this on anyone, what he's facing. But I have to be there with him because he is the father of our daughters, and it's important for them, that what they know as a family, is all together." They reminisced about the good times, and left out all the negative stuff that led to the divorce.

So if John Edwards was there, it would come as no surprise to me that it was so in those last few moments, they were together for the kids much in the same way as my friend. I think that will make life going forward easier for the kids, and as I believe in the afterlife, I think it made Elizabeths transition easier too.


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RE: RIP: Eliz. Edwards - 12/8/2010 9:57:12 AM   
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I'm not trying to put down what she went through, but I think there are a lot of people out there suffering from cancer and not all of them might have had the advantages she had in fighting the dreaded disease!


The advantages she had available to her regarding her healthcare was something she was mindful of and was quite outspoken about it.



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RE: RIP: Eliz. Edwards - 12/8/2010 1:14:07 PM   
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RE: RIP: Eliz. Edwards - 12/8/2010 7:25:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Denying your child publicly, and in a way that is written about, and something she will read, know, and understand later, is simply disgusting.  I hope at the end of her life, Elizabeth was comforted and surrounded by those of her choosing.

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