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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze

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ORIGINAL: lazarus1983

So I was re-watching one of my favorite movies, Up In The Air, when the know-nothing know-it-all young gal accuses George Clooney's character, and all men, of being jealous of women's ability to have babies.

Now this isn't the first time I've heard this statement. My adopted mother, a very extreme feminist, firmly believes that cloning is man's attempt to take reproduction from women. Or something.

Now she's just retarded, so I easily dismiss her ramblings. And me, I am perhaps an anomaly because I absolutely hate children and all that comes with them. So my opinion is obviously jaded. But that notwithstanding, I can't see anything envious about the childbirth process. To me, that's like envying the guy that gets an alien bursting from his chest. I would never ever want the ability to have children, ever ever ever.

But for everyone else here, have you heard this belief before? What are your opinions?

I don't have kids, I don't want kids, don't get me wrong, I love children but I like to borrow other people's children and give them back spoiled...

Do I wish guys could have periods and get pregnant? Hell, fucking yes, because then they would possibly understand a bit more and wouldn't be such dicks when it comes to condoms, why should we have hormone treatment that plays havoc with our system when you guys can simply just use a condom but how many complain about the loss of feeling... Oh FFS, have a few painful periods, run through the gamut of mood changes the pill can do to you, not to mention the health risks - you don't want to use a condom? That's fine, grow a bigger dick and go and fuck yourself...

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ORIGINAL: Jaybeee

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ORIGINAL: lazarus1983

So I was re-watching one of my favorite movies, Up In The Air, when the know-nothing know-it-all young gal accuses George Clooney's character, and all men, of being jealous of women's ability to have babies.

Now this isn't the first time I've heard this statement. My adopted mother, a very extreme feminist, firmly believes that cloning is man's attempt to take reproduction from women. Or something.

Now she's just retarded, so I easily dismiss her ramblings. And me, I am perhaps an anomaly because I absolutely hate children and all that comes with them. So my opinion is obviously jaded. But that notwithstanding, I can't see anything envious about the childbirth process. To me, that's like envying the guy that gets an alien bursting from his chest. I would never ever want the ability to have children, ever ever ever.

But for everyone else here, have you heard this belief before? What are your opinions?

Primarily that the entire topic is unworthy of discussion. Apart from the biological benefit of lengthier orgasms, and the judicial one (in western society) to abuse the institution of marriage by suckering men into financing their lifestyles and taking half their wealth in divorce, I see no compelling advantage in being a woman.

And if there were one, it would certainly not be hours of agony in childbirth, hence the "unworthy" part.

My comiserations, by the way, on your stepmother being a rabid feminist. However, you seem to have turned out all right in spite of it, kudos to you.

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ORIGINAL: Aynne88

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ORIGINAL: Jaybeee

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ORIGINAL: lazarus1983

So I was re-watching one of my favorite movies, Up In The Air, when the know-nothing know-it-all young gal accuses George Clooney's character, and all men, of being jealous of women's ability to have babies.

Now this isn't the first time I've heard this statement. My adopted mother, a very extreme feminist, firmly believes that cloning is man's attempt to take reproduction from women. Or something.

Now she's just retarded, so I easily dismiss her ramblings. And me, I am perhaps an anomaly because I absolutely hate children and all that comes with them. So my opinion is obviously jaded. But that notwithstanding, I can't see anything envious about the childbirth process. To me, that's like envying the guy that gets an alien bursting from his chest. I would never ever want the ability to have children, ever ever ever.

But for everyone else here, have you heard this belief before? What are your opinions?

Primarily that the entire topic is unworthy of discussion. Apart from the biological benefit of lengthier orgasms, and the judicial one (in western society) to abuse the institution of marriage by suckering men into financing their lifestyles and taking half their wealth in divorce, I see no compelling advantage in being a woman.

And if there were one, it would certainly not be hours of agony in childbirth, hence the "unworthy" part.

My comiserations, by the way, on your stepmother being a rabid feminist. However, you seem to have turned out all right in spite of it, kudos to you.

Where do *you* live? In most states, there is no "woman get half in a divorce" anywhere that I know of. In fact,  most women wind up in poverty after a divorce. You are mistaken in your beliefs.

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Oh and before you try and quantify me, I am childless by choice, financially I am taken care of by my man

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(probably to you I would be a "gold digger")

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and never had a bitter horrible divorce where I took the man for everything.

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Apparently you had some kind of awful experience because it resonates in all of your posts...

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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze

Jaybee, you seem to have issues with women.

A few of my friends and colleagues are divorced, I think there is one case where the woman tried to be a gold digger but seriously, the guy was an absolute idiot, getting a mail order bride (to be honest, no woman would have such a macho idiot so he needed to order one from Russia) and then being surprised when she was married long enough, she divorced him and tried to take him for what she could. He was stupid and frankly the attitude he showed towards women, I have a hard time feeling sorry for him... The people who got divorced, the reason for the divorce was usually that they just figured that the relationship didn't work anymore and they worked it out together, especially if children were involved. What I noticed is, that if one of the partners played away from home and had a new partner, there was more resentment, which is understandable, once deceit is involved people get pissed off.

If you look at the statistics, women are hindered by children in their careers, a lot of time women unfortunately put their career second or give it up to support their husbands, their husbands have it a lot easier to concentrate on their careers, so why should the woman not be compensated for that in case of a divorce? If a guy would do the same, you wanna bet that they would want to have a slice of the cake?

We're all aware that the babies aren't the result of a sneaky stork, but how many scumbags are trying to get out of their responsibility and try not to pay for their offspring, or pay as little as they can get away with for their children and the woman they fathered the child upon.

How do you explain that more women than men end up depending on social services after a divorce? Because their husbands provide so generously for them and they are such gold diggers?

Any partner being responsible for the household deserves to be compensated, I don't care if male or female, being a housewife or a househusband is a lot more work than working 9 to 5 in an office, you don't have regular hours and you don't get paid for overtime, you don't get promoted, nothing in your pension funds....