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maturemacho22 -> since when (12/6/2010 3:42:35 PM)
since when is Dominating an art that males must demonstrate to females who pretend to be submissive ? has male dominance become some attribute for males to be picked by females before these even prove their submisiveness? who is the supply and who is the demand ?

lovingpet -> RE: since when (12/6/2010 3:43:51 PM)
Talk about missing the boat....again. [8\|]

AquaticSub -> RE: since when (12/6/2010 3:47:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: maturemacho22 has male dominance become some attribute for males to be picked by females before these even prove their submisiveness? Yes. It happened in the great s-rebellion about ten years back. Sorry you missed the memo pal. quote: who is the supply and who is the demand ? Whoever has the greater supply of people after them is in more demand and therefore can be more picky. For whatever reason, I've always found myself to have my fair share of men interested in me. Therefore I get to be fairly selective.

Lockit -> RE: since when (12/6/2010 3:47:40 PM)
ROFL! Since dominant's like you starting popping up. You make saying 'no' easy I would think. Sorry if you aren't okay with that, but hey, it is what it is. Men claiming to be dominant and expecting a woman to prove she is submissive assume that because they title themselves, the work to prove anything at all is on the submissive. I tend to believe it is both that must prove who they are as people and any respect is earned. Sorry you got confused about things, but I am sure this bunch will set you right.

mnottertail -> RE: since when (12/6/2010 3:48:31 PM)
The notion of woman's submission is wholly fantasy, they are just dominating from the long way 'round. You can fuckin' quote me.

LadyPact -> RE: since when (12/6/2010 3:57:22 PM)
I'm going to save Myself some time here. quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact It's both, actually, though it is more apparent on the internet. There were some threads a while back that included the statistics on non kink dating sites about how lopsided the numbers pan out. Add the kink and there is an even greater imbalance in the ratio. The imbalance isn't quite as prominent these days if you attend a munch of a BDSM event, but it's still noticeable. There are more males on both sides of the kneel than women of either orientation. Dominant women tend to be the group with the fewest number. Unfortunately, many men come into BDSM with the mindset that it's going to be easier to find compatible partners when it's really the other way around. It's actually harder because there are fewer women involved than men, so that nice 1:1 ratio that's out there in vanilla world no longer applies. Add to that the additional factors that kinky folks throw into the compatibility pool (kinks, degree of control in the dynamic, so on and so on) and it can be very difficult. If a male expects to find someone in the BDSM world, he needs to recognize that the numbers aren't necessarily in his favor. Further, it is My opinion that it is the responsibility of the Dominant to show the submissive that he/she is the person who has the ability to lead. That the Dominant has the characteristics, capability, in a sense, yes, the art of Dominance. If you can't do that naturally, there's no reason for anyone to feel submissive energy towards you in the first place.

AquaticSub -> RE: since when (12/6/2010 3:59:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact There are more males on both sides of the kneel than women of either orientation. Dominant women tend to be the group with the fewest number. Also... what the smart lady said is worth repeating.

JstAnotherSub -> RE: since when (12/6/2010 4:02:50 PM)
Mature AND macho huh? They will be falling at your feet soon I am sure.

windchymes -> RE: since when (12/6/2010 4:06:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail The notion of woman's submission is wholly fantasy, they are just dominating from the long way 'round. You can fuckin' quote me. Well, just keep it in front and we'll take the short road.....

Lockit -> RE: since when (12/6/2010 4:11:18 PM)
Oh god, the mind pictures! lol I am a nasty, naughty lady.

kalikshama -> RE: since when (12/6/2010 4:16:16 PM)
It's a safety thing for me. As I like to be tied up and beaten, potentials have to prove that they are 1. experienced and 2. safe and sane. I'm delighted to surrender control once I feel safe in doing so.

lizi -> RE: since when (12/6/2010 4:47:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AquaticSub quote: ORIGINAL: maturemacho22 who is the supply and who is the demand ? Whoever has the greater supply of people after them is in more demand and therefore can be more picky. For whatever reason, I've always found myself to have my fair share of men interested in me. Therefore I get to be fairly selective. Women are in shorter supply on adult sites in general and can usually be the more selective sex. If you have been around here for some time now as you mentioned on another thread this is something that is discussed quite often so it's surprising that it seems that you weren't aware of that. Even as a monogamous collared sub I have a good number of men who express interest in me. Maybe it doesn't seem fair, but who ever has the power tends to wield it to get what they want. You certainly don't have to play that game, but be prepared to walk away empty handed as the other men get the women. I'm not saying it's right but it is reality.

catize -> RE: since when (12/6/2010 4:56:52 PM)
So they reject you and that means they are only pretending to be submissive? And accepting any and all Dom, Dick or Hairy makes them twue submissives?

mstrjx -> RE: since when (12/6/2010 5:04:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lizi quote: ORIGINAL: AquaticSub quote: ORIGINAL: maturemacho22 who is the supply and who is the demand ? Whoever has the greater supply of people after them is in more demand and therefore can be more picky. For whatever reason, I've always found myself to have my fair share of men interested in me. Therefore I get to be fairly selective. Who ever has the power tends to wield it to get what they want. And speaking of wielding, the surefire way of getting all the attention you can handle is by brandishing, pictorially speaking of course, your sword. Women start to feel all submissi-squishy. Do this and you will find out. Promise. Jeff

DarkSteven -> RE: since when (12/6/2010 5:08:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: maturemacho22 since when is Dominating an art that males must demonstrate to females who pretend to be submissive ? has male dominance become some attribute for males to be picked by females before these even prove their submisiveness? who is the supply and who is the demand ? Dominance is not a circus dog that you pull out to perform tricks. It is a way of thinking and acting. When I interact with submissive women (or any women for that matter. My thought processes are not something I can turn on or off), it shows. Sometimes we mesh, sometimes not. But if she is genuinely sub, then chances are greater that we'll be incompatible elsewhere than the D/s mindset. Although for some odd reason, there are several ladies on this site that I am very compatible with in almost every way EXCEPT that we share the same side of the kneel. Supply and demand? That is a VERY tough one. I tend to feel that the supply of female subs is less than the number of Dom men. But I live in Colorado, which I have heard has a higher imbalance of single men to single women of any state after Alaska, so my view might be skewed. I HAVE read many sub women's profiles in which they claim that it's dang hard to find a good Dom man, so things aren't easy for either party. However, I have never read any sub women's statements that there is any shortage of men claiming to be Dominant.

barelynangel -> RE: since when (12/6/2010 5:16:09 PM)
I don't get the OP, are you seriously trying to indicate that a Man's dominance is a REACTION to submissiveness? OP, i am not sure you realize that its the dominance that is the actionary concept and the submission is a reaction to same? I think you may want to study up on the primal concepts of dominance and submission. If dominance was the reactive concept of the two, then in fact the submission would be the dominant force that causes a reaction. Submission many times is a survival instinct to a will and force greater than their own, without the SHOWING of a stronger will and force, there is no submission. Yes, the leaders, men who naturally show their ability to be a dominating force will have women gravitating to them, rather than men who are sitting around waiting for submission before they show how they have a will stronger than theirs. Seems to me, OP, you want someone to control YOU by being submissive to you rather than you compelling submission through your natural dominance. I don't get your supply and demand concept. All in all, you can actually the dominant force is wanted and until its shown, the women will seek same - bypassing those who believe they are entitled and finding those whose natural existance compels their submission. I really do think you would benefit from understanding the primal concepts of each. angel

sunshinemiss -> RE: since when (12/6/2010 5:53:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: maturemacho22 since when is Dominating an art that males must demonstrate to females who pretend to be submissive ? has male dominance become some attribute for males to be picked by females before these even prove their submisiveness? who is the supply and who is the demand ? Since the beginning of time, man. May I suggest you pick up a subscription to National Geographic or Smithsonian Magazine. I hear there are pretty cool pictures. I read them for the articles though. Honest.

AquaticSub -> RE: since when (12/6/2010 6:11:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mstrjx And speaking of wielding, the surefire way of getting all the attention you can handle is by brandishing, pictorially speaking of course, your sword. Women start to feel all submissi-squishy. Do this and you will find out. Promise. Jeff See... this is why we get the dick pic threads.... [;)]

DesFIP -> RE: since when (12/6/2010 6:17:23 PM)
Men are more interested in finding women than women are in finding men. Any guy over the age of 13 knows that. Beyond that is the fact that men typically don't get raped by women however the opposite is true. We have more to lose, we must protect ourselves. To do that we need to screen well. The fact that you can't pass our screening shows that you aren't safe to be with in the eyes of all the women who have rejected you. In fact I will say this more strongly. That you will not recognize this simple truth screams danger to us. Any woman who reads this post will now have red flags come up when you contact her. And most of us look at forum postings to see what a man is really like since profiles tend to be rewritten to appear better. Profiles are advertising, touched up pictures and all. Forum postings are the real you. And this is the example of a person who should not be trusted to heed limits when the woman is alone with him, IMO. I suggest you read a book called The Gift of Fear if you want to learn more.

Awareness -> RE: since when (12/6/2010 7:15:11 PM)
Quit whining. It's weak.

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