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Explain to me - 12/4/2010 8:23:57 PM   
MasterJohnSteed


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Status: offline 		I watched a program on ancient aliens and wanted to find some more information on some of the megalitic building sites, when I came across this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Stone

Ok, the more and more I read about this the more and more I have to agree someone somewhere was helping our ancestors out. At what point in time does it seem like a good Idea to move a 517 ton block of rock with nothing more than manual labor and a rope a pully system when you could just cut this block into smaller ones and move it like that.
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RE: Explain to me - 12/4/2010 8:33:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		There are advantages to building with large stones: they are less fragile than smaller stones and it is rather difficult to cut stone.

But yes, I have for a long time suspected that some megalithic architecture (like the large Egyptian pyramids) were built in a very short time using advanced crafts - but I cannot prove it.

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RE: Explain to me - 12/4/2010 8:40:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think we give little credit to the ingenuity, faith and intelligence to our predecessors.

I don't think there was anything magical or otherworldly involved..just sheer determination and a people who were much more devoted than we are today.

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RE: Explain to me - 12/4/2010 9:16:48 PM   
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Edited to add: This reminds me of those huge architectures in Zimbabwe, which archaeologists cleverly concluded had to have been built by Caucasians. Their problem was that they had to remove and throw away meters of debris that were left by Negroes. So they busily threw all of that junk out, trying to find the white man layer below the Negro stuff - only they never found it. They couldn't make sense of that mystery of the missing white man layer...

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RE: Explain to me - 12/4/2010 10:26:14 PM   
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I think we give little credit to the ingenuity, faith and intelligence to our predecessors.

I don't think there was anything magical or otherworldly involved..just sheer determination and a people who were much more devoted than we are today.


This is true I think to a point. Determination in a single person can drive a person to make great accomplishments and can be compounded for whole civilizations that worked in unison towards a common goal. I think though if we took the time to get a wider view of all history has to offer and the specific details about each event, one could begin to see oddities.

Here's a link to an underground city.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derinkuyu_Underground_City

This would be a phenomenal undertaking in our time with modern machinery..If you take into consideration what types of tools and techniques were available during that time, maybe you could see issues with a civilization pulling this off. As with the Pyramids in Egypt, The Nazca lines, Peruvian Pyramids, The newly found cities under water off the coast of India, under Lake Titicaca  and a huge number of other locations around the world.

Who knows..maybe the upcoming Wikileaks dump that's suppose to say something about UFO's will bring some light to the subject lol.


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RE: Explain to me - 12/4/2010 10:31:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MasterJohnSteed

I watched a program on ancient aliens and wanted to find some more information on some of the megalitic building sites, when I came across this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Stone

Ok, the more and more I read about this the more and more I have to agree someone somewhere was helping our ancestors out. At what point in time does it seem like a good Idea to move a 517 ton block of rock with nothing more than manual labor and a rope a pully system when you could just cut this block into smaller ones and move it like that.


I really would like to see someone pull a 517 ton anything with basic tools no wheels on dirt!..not saying I think this is done with help of aliens in the least.

It would just be interesting to see Mythbusters try something like this lol.

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RE: Explain to me - 12/4/2010 10:34:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think people compare our predecessors to ourselves when in reality we are not as strong as they were.

Modern man relies on technologies. We don't rely on our own bodies to do much labor. We have cars that drive us where we want, planes to take us hundreds, thousands of miles, we have computers that map out the science and numbers for the architecture or alignment of the stars and we don't eat nearly the same way ancient man did.

Our makeup is completely different from them. They accomplished these feats because they had the manpower, they had the muscle and stamina for it. Their bodies were made for hard laborious work. Ours....not so much. Our's don't need to be.

I think we give ancient man a huge disservice by thinking they could not have possibly been able to do what  they did.


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RE: Explain to me - 12/4/2010 10:48:44 PM   
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I think people compare our predecessors to ourselves when in reality we are not as strong as they were.

Modern man relies on technologies. We don't rely on our own bodies to do much labor. We have cars that drive us where we want, planes to take us hundreds, thousands of miles, we have computers that map out the science and numbers for the architecture or alignment of the stars and we don't eat nearly the same way ancient man did.

Our makeup is completely different from them. They accomplished these feats because they had the manpower, they had the muscle and stamina for it. Their bodies were made for hard laborious work. Ours....not so much. Our's don't need to be.

I think we give ancient man a huge disservice by thinking they could not have possibly been able to do what  they did.



I'm not trying to be a smartass here wonder but I would suggest you take some time and learn about the times I've mentioned...I'm not trying to come off as someone who knows a whole lot about these things either but taking into consideration of what I do know..The tools that they had available in some cases just wouldn't do the job of cutting, drilling and hauling the items and supplies needed to complete these endeavors. This isn't based on what people "feel" but plain physics of a thing.

I think in saying we do them a disservice you're doing this time a disservice in a way. I'm sure you're aware of the sophistication it would take to build a skyscraper or put together an automobile with all of the intricate parts it has? They weren't dummies in anyway but they could only do certain things with what they had.

Some of this is akin to building a skyscraper out of metal without having a knowledge of steel. It just doesn't work like that.

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RE: Explain to me - 12/4/2010 10:57:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

I think people compare our predecessors to ourselves when in reality we are not as strong as they were.

Modern man relies on technologies. We don't rely on our own bodies to do much labor. We have cars that drive us where we want, planes to take us hundreds, thousands of miles, we have computers that map out the science and numbers for the architecture or alignment of the stars and we don't eat nearly the same way ancient man did.

Our makeup is completely different from them. They accomplished these feats because they had the manpower, they had the muscle and stamina for it. Their bodies were made for hard laborious work. Ours....not so much. Our's don't need to be.

I think we give ancient man a huge disservice by thinking they could not have possibly been able to do what  they did.




Our strength and condition of our bodies really have very little to do with it. There are many in today's world who have said that even with the aid of modern machinery they can not reproduce the precision that many of these megalithic stones were cut with in ancient times. Let alone mention the grand scale on which it was done. Historians say the Great Pyramids were built in a span of 22 years. One scientist broke it down in terms of the number of stone needed and the time span (as given) that the Egyptians would have had to place one stone every 9 seconds. With ropes, camels, elephants, and 1000 grunts pulling on those massive stones, there is no way they could have done that. Not without some kind of help as of yet unproven or discovered.

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RE: Explain to me - 12/4/2010 11:03:47 PM   
Icarys


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Status: offline 		I don't know about the exact thing the OP is talking about..I suppose it might have been cut in place or even hauled from a distance...who knows.

A lot of questions I don't have the answers for because I know very little about it. I don't remember it being on one of the ancient alien series...


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RE: Explain to me - 12/4/2010 11:09:50 PM   
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Historians say the Great Pyramids were built in a span of 22 years.

I have no knowledge concerning the duration, but I have suspected that one or more of them were built within a couple of months. I might be wrong.

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RE: Explain to me - 12/4/2010 11:12:31 PM   
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I have no knowledge concerning the duration, but I have suspected that one or more of them were built within a couple of months. I might be wrong.

Which ones?


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RE: Explain to me - 12/4/2010 11:16:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think humans built it. You have no idea what enough strong people can accomplish. Shit, look at the Marines. We've moved things that people say we couldn't all the time, with just bodies.

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RE: Explain to me - 12/4/2010 11:21:33 PM   
Rule


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RE: Explain to me - 12/4/2010 11:36:40 PM   
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The Egyptian great pyramids.

Those are the one he's talking about scientists saying it would take 22yrs@9secs a block to be built.

You suspect it may have only taken a few months?

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RE: Explain to me - 12/4/2010 11:44:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here's a good explanation on how the pyramids were built and it wasn't as complicated as many seem to think it was.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/03/080328104302.htm

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RE: Explain to me - 12/4/2010 11:49:59 PM   
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Here's a good explanation on how the pyramids were built and it wasn't as complicated as many seem to think it was.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/03/080328104302.htm


I've read that already..again this isn't proved..it's just a theory.

You still can't get away from having to place a stone every 9 seconds for 22 years at the suggested time-lines.


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RE: Explain to me - 12/5/2010 12:15:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		I read a theory once about the use of wind power to move stones.  Seemed far fetched, but hey who knows? 

I've seen the Nazca Lines, Icarys.  The most amazing thing I've seen in my life, bar none.  (I expect seeing a baby born would make the Nazca Lines pale in comparison, but I've never been so blessed).  No idea how they built those lines, but I'm sure aliens weren't apart of it.  *laughing*  Part of why I love archeology and such is it allows me to believe in the magical and mystical with a real solid understanding that it was actually a lot of sweat and hard work.  The magic of a job completed and completed well.  That's not so bad, eh?!

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RE: Explain to me - 12/5/2010 12:20:16 AM   
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RE: Explain to me - 12/5/2010 12:37:02 AM   
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I read a theory once about the use of wind power to move stones.  Seemed far fetched, but hey who knows? 

I've seen the Nazca Lines, Icarys.  The most amazing thing I've seen in my life, bar none.  (I expect seeing a baby born would make the Nazca Lines pale in comparison, but I've never been so blessed).  No idea how they built those lines, but I'm sure aliens weren't apart of it.  *laughing*  Part of why I love archeology and such is it allows me to believe in the magical and mystical with a real solid understanding that it was actually a lot of sweat and hard work.  The magic of a job completed and completed well.  That's not so bad, eh?!

best,
sunshine

They are pretty amazing..Was this an aerial tour?

How can you be so sure aliens didn't have a hand in man's upbringing? I have an open enough mind to know this isn't automatically dismissed and it doesn't have anything to do with it being magical.

That's not so bad either, eh?!


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