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pahunkboy -> Darvocet to be pulled from US market (11/19/2010 9:55:33 AM)

Darvocet to be pulled from US market



mnottertail -> RE: Darvocet to be pulled from US market (11/19/2010 9:57:46 AM)

Is that near Basingstoke?



tazzygirl -> RE: Darvocet to be pulled from US market (11/19/2010 11:00:10 AM)

Sadly, its true. The company manufactoring Darvon and Darvocet is halting production and pulling the product based upon the FDA recomendation.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/health/7302429.html



Musicmystery -> RE: Darvocet to be pulled from US market (11/19/2010 11:03:42 AM)

I had Darvon once years ago for a severe ear ache.

Never again. A nasty experience.



tazzygirl -> RE: Darvocet to be pulled from US market (11/19/2010 11:08:07 AM)

I have taken darvocet many times, never once with a reaction. My brother died while taking oxycotin which has a much higher associated death rate and a bigger tendency towards addiction, abuse and diversion.




pahunkboy -> RE: Darvocet to be pulled from US market (11/19/2010 11:10:49 AM)

I have used it and suffered no ill effects.

I do not think it is dangerous.



tazzygirl -> RE: Darvocet to be pulled from US market (11/19/2010 11:33:00 AM)

But for some it is dangerous. I wont argue the merits of pulling it from the market. Im merely saying there are others with far more dangerous side effects. The FDA has not banned this drug, its just advising not to use it and requesting Drs stop prescribing.



pahunkboy -> RE: Darvocet to be pulled from US market (11/19/2010 11:50:36 AM)

Tazz,  I can not help but think there is or will be a push to ban ALL opioids from the US> 



maybemaybenot -> RE: Darvocet to be pulled from US market (11/19/2010 12:53:46 PM)

This is no great loss. Darvon/Darvocet is a very ineffective pain medicine for anything other than general aches and pains. On the eqianalgesic chart, the efficacy of one Darvon/Davocet is equivilent to taking two tylenol. I am cerified in pain management and Darvon/Darvocet is on the do not use list for the simple reason that the side effects outweight the efficacy level due to 2 tylenol giving the same relief.


mbmbn
ETA: a link for the non believers.[;)]

http://www.fpnotebook.com/pharm/analgesic/nrctcanlgsc.htm



angelikaJ -> RE: Darvocet to be pulled from US market (11/19/2010 1:29:39 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

I have taken darvocet many times, never once with a reaction. My brother died while taking oxycotin which has a much higher associated death rate and a bigger tendency towards addiction, abuse and diversion.




Tazzy,

From the article you posted:
"The consumer watchdog group Public Citizen had petitioned the FDA to ban the drug, saying its benefits didn't justify a risk that added up to several hundred deaths a year."

That does sound like a relatively small number of deaths compared to other drugs.

It was banned in the UK for overdose and suicide potential and a black box warning was required last year regarding overdoses.

As for mbmn's post, it also says Tylenol 3 is ineffective; and that codeine offers no significant benefit to the tylenol.
Personal experience disproves that.

I know people that vicodin works better for even though percocet is "stronger".

In other words: individual responses vary widely.





maybemaybenot -> RE: Darvocet to be pulled from US market (11/19/2010 2:37:57 PM)

angelika:

Just to be clear: it does not say that Tylenol#3 is ineffective. It says that the addition of codiene is no stronger than using NSAIDS < alleve, Motrin, etc > It still has analgesic effects.

Did you click on the link to the study under Section IV Bc ? It clearly says it has analgesic properties. From that link :

"However, there is some evidence that codeine 60 mg adds to the analgesic effects of paracetamol 600 mg, using pain relief or pain intensity scores as outcomes, but this is not necessarily translated into an increase in number of patients who obtain moderate to excellent pain relief."

< paracetamol = Tylenol >

I am in no way saying your meds don't work for you or for others. I am saying that Darvocet and Codiene are the least effictive opioids and if you were to go to a pain clinic or a pain or palliative specialist, you would not be given either of these drugs as they just don't give optimal pain relief and sie effects are greater than with other opioids.

You are correct in individual responses. I completely agree. The other side as I stated in my first post is that the side effects of these two opioids are far more in number and often in severity, which adds to there " benefit " being not as great.



Hippiekinkster -> RE: Darvocet to be pulled from US market (11/19/2010 2:51:33 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: maybemaybenot

This is no great loss. Darvon/Darvocet is a very ineffective pain medicine for anything other than general aches and pains. On the eqianalgesic chart, the efficacy of one Darvon/Davocet is equivilent to taking two tylenol. I am cerified in pain management and Darvon/Darvocet is on the do not use list for the simple reason that the side effects outweight the efficacy level due to 2 tylenol giving the same relief.


mbmbn
ETA: a link for the non believers.[;)]

http://www.fpnotebook.com/pharm/analgesic/nrctcanlgsc.htm

Agreed, no great loss at all. I'd also like to see vicodin ES and other opioid/high-dose apap combos removed from the marketplace. Taken as directed (generally 1 tab QID) provides an almost toxic amount of apap if the med is taken on a daily basis. Furthermore, there appears to be from none to only a trivial advantage when combining an opioid with an NSAID in treating cancer pain.

"Based upon limited data, NSAIDs appear to be more effective than placebo for cancer pain; clear evidence to support superior safety or efficacy of one NSAID over another is lacking; and trials of combinations of an NSAID with an opioid have disclosed either no difference (4 out of 14 papers), a statistically insignificant trend towards superiority (1 out of 14 papers), or at most a slight but statistically significant advantage (9 out of 14 papers), compared with either single entity. The short duration of studies undermines generalization of their findings on efficacy and safety of NSAIDs for cancer pain."
http://www2.cochrane.org/reviews/en/ab005180.html






soul2share -> RE: Darvocet to be pulled from US market (11/19/2010 3:02:08 PM)

I got Darvocet once after getting a tooth pulled, didn't do a thing for the pain at all.  I ended up taking regular old ibuprofen.  I've also gotten percocet and vicodin, usually, I've only used on pill out of the prescription, then if needed, used ibuprofen.  Recently, I had 2 teeth pulled at the same time, and essentially, both were ripped out of my jaw by the *ahem* oral surgeon, and this time, my jawbone is killing me.....so I've taken a few more of the vicodin this time.  But it doesn't really have any adverse effects....I don't feel high, I don't get sleepy or goofy, however, I now there are people out there who take one vicodin and they are sailing to the moon for hours.

For the record, the left over pain killers I've had in the past have been used for migraines. 



Hippiekinkster -> RE: Darvocet to be pulled from US market (11/19/2010 3:06:00 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

I have taken darvocet many times, never once with a reaction. My brother died while taking oxycotin which has a much higher associated death rate and a bigger tendency towards addiction, abuse and diversion.


If you dig deeper, you'll find that almost all deaths in which oxycodone is implicated in are due to polydrug use, usually with alcohol.

"A national association of
medical examiners has reported, after reviewing every reported death in which OxyContin was present in the deceased' system, that in all but a
few cases death was not caused by the OxyContin but by other drugs or a synergy from a combination of substances. Why was this buried in the back of the nation's newspapers? I think the answer is that the facts exposed their cynical (or naive) exploitation of OxyContin for what it was - nonsense."
http://www.paincare.org/about/message.php?id=74

Excellent article about the Oxycontin hysteria

Try googling for "oxyconjob" too.



LadyHibiscus -> RE: Darvocet to be pulled from US market (11/19/2010 3:07:11 PM)

I am allergic to NSAIDS, though evidently it is not a "true allergy", just acts like one! I haven't heard of darvocet being prescribed in ages, it's Percocet or Oxy these days, and of course vicodin.

Codeine gives me hallucinations. If Tylenol doesn;t take care of it, I am hosed.



angelikaJ -> RE: Darvocet to be pulled from US market (11/19/2010 3:09:23 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

I am allergic to NSAIDS, though evidently it is not a "true allergy", just acts like one! I haven't heard of darvocet being prescribed in ages, it's Percocet or Oxy these days, and of course vicodin.

Codeine gives me hallucinations. If Tylenol doesn;t take care of it, I am hosed.


Have you tried Tramadol?



pahunkboy -> RE: Darvocet to be pulled from US market (11/19/2010 3:22:20 PM)

I do NOT like this ban.   I hope it is reversed.

And as mentioned the amount of deaths is low.



Aylee -> RE: Darvocet to be pulled from US market (11/19/2010 3:25:42 PM)

I have taken percocet and specifically request the kind without the tylonal in it (hydrocodone I think.)  When it has been prescribed it has also been perscribed with prescription strength motrin, because I guess ibuprofen works better for women. 



MercTech -> RE: Darvocet to be pulled from US market (11/19/2010 5:29:11 PM)

Isn't it interesting that when a drug becomes public domain and available as a generic, the side effects become a huge issue? When it was under patent, the side effects were well documented but it was of economic advantage to ignore them. Gad, in the 60s free samples of Darvon were put in doctors offices and recommended for PMS and even common headaches.

Tramadol is excellent for osteo arthritis, but oh the list of side effects. And, you cannot take tramadol if on a FFD program. Etodolac is even more effective but more dangerous side effects.

That is one thing that has become a true legal crock in the U.S., denial of work if taking any medically prescribed pain medication. You cannot work in an industrial environment if you are taking any pain management drugs at all above OTC levels of nsaids: aspirin, acetaminophen (generic name for tylenol), or naproxin sodium (generic for Aleve), or even ibuprofen (generic for Motrin). OSHA has an interesting way of causing health problems in the name of safety some times. i.e. foot damaging steel toe shoes, wearing safety harnesses where there is nowhere to tie off and the harness interferes with the ability to safely move, and the concept that any pain medication renders a worker unfit to work safely.

Stefan



thornhappy -> RE: Darvocet to be pulled from US market (11/19/2010 11:56:09 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: maybemaybenot
This is no great loss. Darvon/Darvocet is a very ineffective pain medicine for anything other than general aches and pains. On the eqianalgesic chart, the efficacy of one Darvon/Davocet is equivilent to taking two tylenol. I am cerified in pain management and Darvon/Darvocet is on the do not use list for the simple reason that the side effects outweight the efficacy level due to 2 tylenol giving the same relief.

mbmbn
ETA: a link for the non believers.[;)]
http://www.fpnotebook.com/pharm/analgesic/nrctcanlgsc.htm

Say, whatever happened to Stadol NS?



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