How methodical/scientific are you in pleasing your Master?

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Jaybeee -> How methodical/scientific are you in pleasing your Master? (11/13/2010 4:20:14 AM)
Or if you are a Master, how meticulously do you convey your needs and desires to your slave(s)?

phoenixmoonn13 -> RE: How methodical/scientific are you in pleasing your Master? (11/13/2010 4:27:41 AM)
luckily we both believe in the chaos theory and it works . it is somthing i just do and feel

DarkSteven -> RE: How methodical/scientific are you in pleasing your Master? (11/13/2010 4:42:53 AM)
Jaybee, your question makes no sense to me. 1. To me, 'scientific" means rigorously tested. So if I give the exact same command to my sub under different circumstances (in English/in Spanish, yelled at her/whispered to her, when she's sucking me/getting spanked by me, etc.) , and note the responsiveness to each, THAT'S scientific. And I'd repeat the experiments, especially the spanking/sucking ones, to reduce individual outcome's effects. 2. Note that you are measuring different things for each side of the kneel. For the D type, you want to measure communication to the s type. For the s type, you want to measure carrying out those commands, not effectiveness in receiving them. The two sets of results will not be correlatable with each other.

Jaybeee -> RE: How methodical/scientific are you in pleasing your Master? (11/13/2010 5:23:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven Jaybee, your question makes no sense to me. 1. To me, 'scientific" means rigorously tested. So if I give the exact same command to my sub under different circumstances (in English/in Spanish, yelled at her/whispered to her, when she's sucking me/getting spanked by me, etc.) , and note the responsiveness to each, THAT'S scientific. And I'd repeat the experiments, especially the spanking/sucking ones, to reduce individual outcome's effects. 2. Note that you are measuring different things for each side of the kneel. For the D type, you want to measure communication to the s type. For the s type, you want to measure carrying out those commands, not effectiveness in receiving them. The two sets of results will not be correlatable with each other. Fair points, but I can answer pretty generally - at one extreme, as the other respondant stated, people can simply "wing" it. Personally I'd rather have a more structured regime, aka making more of a science out of it. For example, I'd draw up a list of daily/weekly/monthly tasks she is to carry out. Come to think of it...that'd be a nice idea for a thread, "What daily tasks...". I also want to know where that drive comes from, from person to person; is the Master taking the lead in teaching the Slave how to serve, or is it the Slave who develops that base of knowledge? I'm more interested in comparing the willingness to thoroughly plan and prep for the serving that is on either side of the D/S relationship, than I am comparing how effectively commands are given received. This discussion is already getting terrifically theoretical and needs some practical examples; M/S 1 - Slave serves Master without active thought; M/S 2 - Slave serves Master almost without active thought, but must propose one new way to please him every week; M/S 3 - as above, but Master also conducts monthly reviews of Slave suggestions; M/s 4 - as above, but Slave makes the suggestion that review are held fortnightly for swifter improvements; I hope the above 4 examples of Master/Slave couples clears it up a bit - I just want to know how much structure, if any, there is in the service, and who provides the drive for the structure to be more detailed.

catize -> RE: How methodical/scientific are you in pleasing your Master? (11/13/2010 5:59:14 AM)
quote: M/S 1 - Slave serves Master without active thought; M/S 2 - Slave serves Master almost without active thought, but must propose one new way to please him every week; M/S 3 - as above, but Master also conducts monthly reviews of Slave suggestions; M/s 4 - as above, but Slave makes the suggestion that review are held fortnightly for swifter improvements; How is this science?

littlewonder -> RE: How methodical/scientific are you in pleasing your Master? (11/13/2010 7:05:11 AM)
for us it's simple. He tells me what he wants and I obey. He's very precise and clear in his communication so we rarely ever have a problem. When he doesn't tell me how to do something it's because I know him well enough to know what I should do and in what manner. That's all because we have known each other a very long time and we talk about everything and anything...nothing held back. When I'm not sure what I should be doing then I just ask.

windchymes -> RE: How methodical/scientific are you in pleasing your Master? (11/13/2010 7:56:44 AM)
Since I'm a medical lab tech by trade, I take his blood once a week and check that his endorphin levels remain at a consistently high level. [8\|]

sunshinemiss -> RE: How methodical/scientific are you in pleasing your Master? (11/13/2010 8:04:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven For the s type, you want to measure carrying out those commands I expect there are more fun things to measure.

DarkSteven -> RE: How methodical/scientific are you in pleasing your Master? (11/13/2010 8:28:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: windchymes Since I'm a medical lab tech by trade, I take his blood once a week and check that his endorphin levels remain at a consistently high level. [8\|] I wubs this answer. [:)]

BurntKitty -> RE: How methodical/scientific are you in pleasing your Master? (11/13/2010 8:50:40 AM)
I prefer skipping the science part. I was a jock in school, so I do better in the physical tasks. I do like DS' experiments, however. Moar plz n thx.

windchymes -> RE: How methodical/scientific are you in pleasing your Master? (11/13/2010 9:06:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven quote: ORIGINAL: windchymes Since I'm a medical lab tech by trade, I take his blood once a week and check that his endorphin levels remain at a consistently high level. [8\|] I wubs this answer. [:)] :) We call it the "Main Vein"!

DesFIP -> RE: How methodical/scientific are you in pleasing your Master? (11/13/2010 12:36:38 PM)
We have five kids between the ages of 17 and 22. As should be apparent, structure doesn't really work in these circumstances. Or am I to adhere to his rules which directly contradict my needs as a mother, when I have a kid throwing up? Or one whose car has broken down, again, and needs to be rescued? Rigidity of structure only works if you can prevent any real life problems from occurring. Hell, if you make it rigid enough, that I have to be at the door kneeling with dinner ready at 6:30 no matter what, then what do I do when it's your car that needs a jump at 6:00 PM and you're an hour away?

agirl -> RE: How methodical/scientific are you in pleasing your Master? (11/13/2010 12:42:56 PM)
M says what he'd like, when he'd like it and I hop off and do it.. That's about as meticulous as it gets. Other than that, I do nice things because I rather like him...and he does nice things for me too, for the same reason. M doesn't need me to serve him, nor does he need anything from me in particular. Neither of us are bothered to plan or prepare to any great degree when all it takes is .* Mmmm, a coffee would be nice* or * Grease your bum up, I'm going to fuck it in a moment*. agirl

phoenixmoonn13 -> RE: How methodical/scientific are you in pleasing your Master? (11/13/2010 1:55:03 PM)
couldnt find edit so my nswer red worngly. we both subscribe to the chaos theory which often works ina busy childbased household but for my service to him its what i feel deep inside me i dont and he doesnt need science

WolfyMontgomery -> RE: How methodical/scientific are you in pleasing your Master? (11/13/2010 3:41:00 PM)
quote: M/S 1 - Slave serves Master without active thought; M/S 2 - Slave serves Master almost without active thought, but must propose one new way to please him every week; M/S 3 - as above, but Master also conducts monthly reviews of Slave suggestions; M/s 4 - as above, but Slave makes the suggestion that review are held fortnightly for swifter improvements; To me, this seems a bit more business like than scientific. Do you think that's the term you were going for? Schedules, plans, weekly or monthly reviews and whatnot are all very business like rather than scientific. Science is about theories and testing those theories to prove them and whatnot, trial and error, while you're thinking of something established and very formal. As for Master and me, it's one of those in the mood things. There is no "must propose a new way to please him every week", but we're both active in thinking of new ways to live and for me to serve him, so there IS active thought. But the structure that we have is merely "He is Master, I am slave - he says, I do." There isn't any plans for assessing the value of said slave, no monthly reviews on whether I'm servicing him well enough, it's very much an in the moment thing. But that doesn't mean that there isn't structure there, it's just very.. accute? Localized? Simple? Yeah, simple. There, strong, but simple and easy to understand. Active thought is something that is good for any relationship, it often isn't something you plan, but just something you do. And you must think - is that thought really active if it is scheduled on a weekly basis?

MasterFireMaam -> RE: How methodical/scientific are you in pleasing your Master? (11/13/2010 8:26:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Jaybeee Or if you are a Master, how meticulously do you convey your needs and desires to your slave(s)? We have a household manual. That lays out quite a bit. Refinement is what is done real time. Master Fire

DesFIP -> RE: How methodical/scientific are you in pleasing your Master? (11/14/2010 6:19:00 AM)
The new thing to amuse him/titillate him/etc a week only works when you're brand new. After a few months you will have so many rules and things that must be done that you won't be able to get anything accomplished. It says a great deal about the OP that he's so focused on the brand new beginning of a relationship and does not look forward to having a long term, mutually satisfying one. I'm curious if he's ever actually had a relationship that lasted over six months and if so, how this worked out for real. Because by demanding new and different, he's set it up that he can't look forward to having any tried and true favorites. And that's just sad.

Jaybeee -> RE: How methodical/scientific are you in pleasing your Master? (11/14/2010 8:22:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WolfyMontgomery quote: M/S 1 - Slave serves Master without active thought; M/S 2 - Slave serves Master almost without active thought, but must propose one new way to please him every week; M/S 3 - as above, but Master also conducts monthly reviews of Slave suggestions; M/s 4 - as above, but Slave makes the suggestion that review are held fortnightly for swifter improvements; To me, this seems a bit more business like than scientific. Do you think that's the term you were going for? Schedules, plans, weekly or monthly reviews and whatnot are all very business like rather than scientific. Science is about theories and testing those theories to prove them and whatnot, trial and error, while you're thinking of something established and very formal. As for Master and me, it's one of those in the mood things. There is no "must propose a new way to please him every week", but we're both active in thinking of new ways to live and for me to serve him, so there IS active thought. But the structure that we have is merely "He is Master, I am slave - he says, I do." There isn't any plans for assessing the value of said slave, no monthly reviews on whether I'm servicing him well enough, it's very much an in the moment thing. But that doesn't mean that there isn't structure there, it's just very.. accute? Localized? Simple? Yeah, simple. There, strong, but simple and easy to understand. Active thought is something that is good for any relationship, it often isn't something you plan, but just something you do. And you must think - is that thought really active if it is scheduled on a weekly basis? You can indeed say "businesslike" which confers the seriousness with which one or other side takes the process of improvement to service, but I didn't want to lose the "scientific" part, which to me confers an air of complexity, an erudite (isn't it wonderful how closely that word resembles "erotic"??!??!) savvy of pleasing the Master. You made an fair point, that active thought shouldn't be confined to just once a week. Though it's not what I meant, which was a MINIMUM, I should have been clearer. I also think that it's a damning indictment of the state of relationships that more research, planning and monitoring is done for making money at work, than in making life at home easier, and smoother for a Master.

DarkSteven -> RE: How methodical/scientific are you in pleasing your Master? (11/14/2010 8:35:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Jaybeee the "scientific" part, which to me confers an air of complexity, an erudite (isn't it wonderful how closely that word resembles "erotic"??!??!) savvy of pleasing the Master. Ah. That explains a lot. To me, "scientific" means carefully and deliberately done, with copious notetaking with an eye toward making results reproducible. Your take on the word seems to be that of a nonscience type, who views it all as some sort of mystery. What you consider erudite, I consider mechanical.

Jaybeee -> RE: How methodical/scientific are you in pleasing your Master? (11/14/2010 8:36:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesFIP The new thing to amuse him/titillate him/etc a week only works when you're brand new. After a few months you will have so many rules and things that must be done that you won't be able to get anything accomplished. It says a great deal about the OP that he's so focused on the brand new beginning of a relationship and does not look forward to having a long term, mutually satisfying one. I'm curious if he's ever actually had a relationship that lasted over six months and if so, how this worked out for real. Because by demanding new and different, he's set it up that he can't look forward to having any tried and true favorites. And that's just sad. I'm actually in a relationship of 5 years that's open at my end. She will ask me daily, "What can I do for you, my love?", and most times I am content with replying, "I'm fine" or asking her to do something that will benefit her directly, and thus me indirectly. I am her Master, her boss - I say, she complies. I tell her to jump out of the window, she will ask, "What floor?". But you see, the imagination always comes from me; it seems to be me who is bringing the ideas on how she should please me, not her. And honestly, I do worry about overtaxing her as she doesn't handle failure very well. Even if I preceded the exercise with, "I'm only likely to accept 20% of your suggestions on a GOOD month", or emphasised the better parts of her failed suggestions, she won't return to the task with renewed vigour, but rather become a little depressed The purpose of this thread is so I can get an idea of how my fellow Masters manage their subs/slaves, and perhaps I can build my own "Guide to Pleasing Jaybeee" manual for her. It just feels like so far, I've lacked any direction in my leadership of her, and want a provide her a structure that she can be confident of being able to build upon.

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