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RE: the greatest gift - 11/9/2010 5:34:49 PM

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It means one lives in deep appreciation for what they have and tend to be happy.

Very nicely put but I find that hard to believe in most people...It's easy to say things like that but living it is another story.

Zen doesn't always buy the easy answers. Or sell them. Actually, I should say Zen doesn't ever go with easy answers, even if they feel good. If it fits in a box, it isn't zen. Nicely phrased aphorisms are the devil.

The most 'zen' answer is that the definition of 'gift' is meaningless under those circumstances.

If a gift can be any act, one must ask what distinguishes acts that are gifts from acts that are not.

If a gift is every act, then the word is everything and nothing.

If a 'gift' is in the approach taken towards an act, one must separate what that approach is.

If the approach taken is always present, it is everything, and nothing.

If it can be present, then one must ask what conditions prevent its presence.

If you feel attachment to the idea of things being "gifts" or not, then you need to have your back caned. At least, if you're a student of zen. You don't have to be one.

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RE: the greatest gift - 11/9/2010 5:45:36 PM

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No I am not a "student" of Zen but I did stay at a Holiday Inn once. Joking aside..I'm just careful not to put too much lofty emphasis on anything. Even keeled as much as possible. I've seen enough in my time on this planet to state that most people who follow those sayings are usually full of shit. They romanticize themselves into those nice little boxes you spoke of only to later recant their words.

The idea of submission being a gift is one of those things.

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RE: the greatest gift - 11/9/2010 9:36:09 PM

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wen pipple post stoopid sheet that iz al misspilled, i think they r liars and fonies and r not realy whom they clame to b, but mayb from faaar a way, like Ghana(rhea)

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RE: the greatest gift - 11/9/2010 11:16:01 PM

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it takes a great man to know that it is a very special gift.

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RE: the greatest gift - 11/10/2010 7:07:40 AM

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When people give me things I see gifts..When people willingly want to be with me and I with them. It's just mutual love and respect.

When people hand over the reins..Again it's because they choose to do so and that's in them..driving them to do it.

Same for me...I am driven first by my own desires as every person alive is at least initially so how is it I'm giving a gift when it first comes from my own wants? I'm there doing what I do because I want to be there and if it was with another person I would do the same because I'm driven to do those things as part of who I am.

I'm not so noble that I think I dominate because I want to help you...

Just because it is something you want doesn't mean that it can't be also a gift to someone else. They aren't mutually exclusive, Icarys.

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RE: the greatest gift - 11/10/2010 7:35:39 AM

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Ah, the old Is it a gift debate LOL Damn Y'all were debating this topic when i 1st joined here over 3 years ago..... Why not just settle for "To each their own" and let it go already LOL

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RE: the greatest gift - 11/10/2010 7:38:26 AM

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Just because it is something you want doesn't mean that it can't be also a gift to someone else. They aren't mutually exclusive, Icarys.

Sorry just refuse to see it as a gift.
Like I've said...I don't walk around with the slightest thought that it's something greater than what it is. If some of you want to flower it up a bit it's on you to do so but I wouldn't want to be involved with someone who did that.

I don't want to be lifted up or praised for what I offer. I prefer to keep my feet on the ground rather than head in the clouds on relationship issues..Otherwise I might wind up flying too high and melt the wax that holds the relationship together. (Yuck Yuck

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I can appreciate a females presence without calling it a gift and I'd hope she could do the same.

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RE: the greatest gift - 11/10/2010 11:42:37 AM

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I, for one, tend to romantisize everything. Even integers.

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RE: the greatest gift - 11/10/2010 12:14:10 PM

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The greatest gift I can recieve is a sucking on my dick like its your last cigarette on death row blowjob. Just wanted to share.

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RE: the greatest gift - 11/10/2010 12:23:55 PM

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...compliance that comes out of fear of punishment is weak at best, while the obedience engendered from real submissive feeling and the desire to please one’s master is unequivocal.

There's a great deal of humility in dominance; there has to be. One of the biggest secrets to being a good Master is knowing that You are not infallible and that You can screw up. That's very important when You take on the responsibility of this person who is giving herself to You.

Just a few snipets from DB's profile. I understand that not everyone sees their relationships the same way, however, He and I do have an agreement on what is choice and what is natural for us. What started as a choice or a "gift" to Him from me, has turned into a freedom that I gave myself, and it has become a natural feeling. And that is all right by me, no matter what you call it.

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RE: the greatest gift - 11/10/2010 9:56:20 PM

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The greatest gift I can recieve is a sucking on my dick like its your last cigarette on death row blowjob. Just wanted to share.

Do you suppose they give you an ash tray, or do you just put it out in a bucket of sand?

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RE: the greatest gift - 11/11/2010 10:16:23 AM

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I usually have a lighthearted response to this but only because of the *gift* context and because I have an owner with a wicked sense of humour. ie *SOME gift!!* accompanied by a mock sigh....lol

But on a semi serious note.......I appreciate the lovely person M is, I appreciate how fortunate I was to have been lucky enough to have bumped into him all those years ago....and I appreciate all its brought me.

If people like to think in *gift* terms , great. It's pretty much just a summing up of their feelings....and it's not so far removed from *appreciation* to me. I think I can stretch my mind to understand a little of what they are conveying, even if I don't think in terms of *gift*myself. Poetry and all that.

I'm past my return date anyhow. No money back, no exchange......Use or lose situation....LOL

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edited out a redundant *is*

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RE: the greatest gift - 11/11/2010 10:32:34 AM

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What AGirl said.

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