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pahunkboy -> RE: HIGHER EDUCATION (10/15/2010 7:08:56 PM)
The Harvard Yard, go to site- look at "TV", then "films". It is the last one listed.

KatyLied -> RE: HIGHER EDUCATION (10/15/2010 7:16:54 PM)
All I can say is that there are a few people in this thread who are always negative about everything. If you think this doesn't affect you in profound ways you are mistaken. If you can't understand everything I said as being rational and making sense in the real world, I don't know what else to say.

January -> RE: HIGHER EDUCATION (10/15/2010 7:21:11 PM)
quote: One could start ones own business for what college costs- and then they would have the experience- and they would not need the degree or the fob offer. You could start a business, maybe. But to make the business successful for the long term? That would take the same exact character traits that you'd need to land a job after college: persistence, demonstrated skills, flexibility, common sense, a history of working hard in summer jobs, part-time work while in school... January

Aneirin -> RE: HIGHER EDUCATION (10/15/2010 7:22:11 PM)
I started a degree course through a time in my life where I had no idea where to go or what to do, what has come from that course is a dream which might actually come to reality, and it is despite my desire to move totally away from my previous employment skills, actually moving not away, but alongside,so I am accepting that I am despite my reservations, a grease monkey. A grease monkey in that I am choosing to study to work in the oily smutty filth of a metalworking shop. The difference as I see it is I am choosing what I know, perhaps always have known, but learning to do what I do on my own terms, not an employers. I feel my course is teaching me how to respond to my own initiatives and profit from them. My course is teaching me to start and run my own business doing what interests me. But that degree course, a BA in Applied Arts is not coming easily, not the craftwork and design side, but all the guff that comes with it, the history of art, the debate between what is art and what is craft and how to pander or exist in a world dominated by know alls who tell a potential customer what is worth purchasing and what is not. I agree with the idea that the older one gets the harder they are to teach, for I am an example of that, not because I reject all that I am taught, but what I am taught I question, where in the past I would have just accepted or rejected, either of the latter two being the easiest way. Now I have a direction to go, my direction is clear to see where before it was not. I need to be self employed as my personal discipline comes from what I need to do to survive, my designs as they are are just to make a living doing what it is I enjoy. A living will do, a steady living perhaps, neither rich nor poor, but a means of existence where the mind can be challenged and result in reward from a face to face customer not pay from a mindless or careless company who in reality would rather not have to employ you. I guess through higher education, I am at last learning to stand on my own two feet, not be fodder for an employer.

pahunkboy -> RE: HIGHER EDUCATION (10/15/2010 7:24:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KatyLied All I can say is that there are a few people in this thread who are always negative about everything. If you think this doesn't affect you in profound ways you are mistaken. If you can't understand everything I said as being rational and making sense in the real world, I don't know what else to say. How much do you owe on a student loan?

KatyLied -> RE: HIGHER EDUCATION (10/15/2010 7:31:11 PM)
I owe zero. I dropped out of college, have approx 2 years in. Did not borrow money to take college classes, was fortunate for some of that time when I worked at a university and enjoyed tuition waivers (yanno, one of those other benefits). I am an exceedingly hard worker, one full-time job, one part-time job. How many jobs do you have?

pahunkboy -> RE: HIGHER EDUCATION (10/15/2010 8:16:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KatyLied I owe zero. I dropped out of college, have approx 2 years in. Did not borrow money to take college classes, was fortunate for some of that time when I worked at a university and enjoyed tuition waivers (yanno, one of those other benefits). I am an exceedingly hard worker, one full-time job, one part-time job. How many jobs do you have? If you really want to learn MIT has free classes via the web.

Aneirin -> RE: HIGHER EDUCATION (10/15/2010 8:25:25 PM)
Going to college at a later age is an experience, it is a new way of thinking, quite alien to much of adult working life. The act of entering higher education in a learning establishment is submitting to the fact that in order to go further from what one is, they must step down and be taught again. My course is an open university course,that is a course aimed at adults on a part time basis, but taught in a college where one must attend, and one needs to as very few people have hot glass and hot metals facilities in their home. An open university degree at first thought hardly worth the time until it was revealed that the degree I am studying is the very same as that which the London School of Art awards.

susie -> RE: HIGHER EDUCATION (10/16/2010 1:09:32 AM)
FR I find the idea of choosing a degree or higher education based solely on the hope that it will result in a higher paying career a little sad. I chose my career because it is something I enjoy and my education was based around that. Despite having a successful career I am still studying other subjects, not because I need them but because they are subjects that interest me personally. Studying again later in life is very different. So yes there are people that study for the love of it not just for the earning potential.

KatyLied -> RE: HIGHER EDUCATION (10/16/2010 4:15:21 AM)
Again, how many jobs do you have?

wandersalone -> RE: HIGHER EDUCATION (10/16/2010 7:45:25 AM)
As others have said don't rely just on what others have said, do your own research. Call up employers in the particular field you are interested in and let them know that you are just doing some research, ask how many new grads they hire, if they hire mature aged staff etc. I also agree with people who say don't just choose an area of study because you think it will give you big bucks, choose something you are passionate about. By the way Defiant, is there a chance you could up date this thread to let us know how you are going as last I heard it sounded like you were about to plan your funeral. I hope that health wise things are going ok given that you are now talking about further study

wandersalone -> RE: HIGHER EDUCATION (10/16/2010 7:53:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Alas--it's the skills that open the doors, both initially and throughout a career. And the most important skill? The ability to continually learn. Just to add to this....along with an aptitude for that particular profession, one needs to show clear motivation to want to do the job (and not just for the pay check or perks) and to have a positive attitude. When I am interviewing people, I am more likely to choose the person who maybe didn't get the higher scores at uni but who shows more passion and motivation to do the job and to join our company

Musicmystery -> RE: HIGHER EDUCATION (10/16/2010 7:53:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: susie FR I find the idea of choosing a degree or higher education based solely on the hope that it will result in a higher paying career a little sad. I chose my career because it is something I enjoy and my education was based around that. Me too. I did what I wanted, lived where I wanted--and then got good at it to enjoy a successful career, including financially. Further, it's difficult to succeed at something long term you don't really want to do. quote: Despite having a successful career I am still studying other subjects, not because I need them but because they are subjects that interest me personally. Studying again later in life is very different. So yes there are people that study for the love of it not just for the earning potential. Agreed, and not only that, you never know when information and skills you've acquired incidentally will come in handy professionally and open doors you couldn't have seen coming. It's happened to me several times. Be ready to step through--not to mention living a more interesting and fulfilling life! I have choices today. I like it.

GreedyTop -> RE: HIGHER EDUCATION (10/16/2010 7:54:56 AM)
~FR~ I havent read the entire thread, so I dont know if this has been addressed.. Not only should check the employability of the field you choose, also check to see if the school you are attending has a good rep in the field. In concert touring stuff.. there are a few companies that will laugh at graduates from a certain 'sound engineering' school. Thats across the board. I dont think the attitude would be any different in other fields.

Musicmystery -> RE: HIGHER EDUCATION (10/16/2010 7:56:35 AM)
quote: When I am interviewing people, I am more likely to choose the person who maybe didn't get the higher scores at uni but who shows more passion and motivation to do the job and to join our company Agreed. Not only that, there's the "we have to work with this person day after day" factor. Personality counts.

Musicmystery -> RE: HIGHER EDUCATION (10/16/2010 8:00:02 AM)
quote: also check to see if the school you are attending has a good rep in the field This is where accreditation comes in, and from which accreditation agencies. When they come in, they do EXTENSIVE year old reviews, look at EVERYTHING, and make recommendations for the next accreditation review (and these are taken VERY seriously).

sexyred1 -> RE: HIGHER EDUCATION (10/16/2010 8:10:14 AM)
Always interesting to read comments about inflammatory topics, and I think jobs, at least today, is one of them. I am a believer in constant re-education, even within one's own field and in anything else that stimulates your brain cells and you feel passionate about. Unfortunately, only choosing something you love does not equate to making money. Choosing a field that you like, you have the skillset for and will make money, takes self analysis. When I was in college, I was a drama and a psych major. I spent two schizophrenic years dealing with psych by day and acting by night. Why? Because I love theater and thought I wanted to be an actress and I also loved psychology in high school so I thought I might want to be a child psychologist. I was good at both, at least during internships in psych and good on the stage. What happened? I had an epiphany. I woke up in a cold sweat one night and said, what the hell am I doing??? I cannot be an actress because I don't want to be a waitress in NYC or LA and I did not have that burning core of desire to follow that dream. Secondly, I could not be a psychologist because I found myself unable to detach emotionally from the horror I was hearing from parents abusing their kids, etc. that I dealt with during my internships. So I switched majors to Marketing and discovered Advertising. I chose sales over the client side because I knew that a woman could make good money in sales. As it turned out, I chose correctly and the irony is that I get to do both acting and use psychology on a daily basis in sales. The other thing to remember though, is that today's economy and the fact that our technologically advanced world requires more than a degree or passion; it requires making SURE you are still marketable after a certain age. I started off in print meda and quickly found myself having to escalate my learning (even on my own time) to learn digital, so that I was employable. Although I have experienced job losses the past 3 years due to various reasons like mergers, acquisitions, reorganizations, mass layoffs, start ups, I still get interviews and still get digital media jobs over my colleagues and friends who are less flexible and who did not choose to become marketable, over fear that they were too old to learn the new ways of digital. Right now looking for a job is like finding a drink in the desert, you can find something, but you want one that will fill your thirst the best and keep you refreshed and earning. And yes, personality does count, as does writing ability and communication skills. I get more calls because of my cover letter and resume than anyone I know simply because I know how to package myself.

thornhappy -> RE: HIGHER EDUCATION (10/16/2010 2:52:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GreedyTop Not only should check the employability of the field you choose, also check to see if the school you are attending has a good rep in the field. In concert touring stuff.. there are a few companies that will laugh at graduates from a certain 'sound engineering' school. Thats across the board. I agree - and your state may have very good schools but they may not be nationally known. For instance, UCLA and UCBerkeley are known internationally. UCSB and UCSD also have excellent engineering schools, but are far better known regionally. Given their Nobel prizes and growing research faculty I wouldn't be surprised to see their reputation spread. Some colleges are also known for putting out folks with great practical schools, and others are more like feeders for research. Both CalPoly campuses are famous for practical folks that take little time to get up to speed, and the UC campuses are known more for their research institutes. I forgot to mention that to save money getting a BS/BA, do the first 2 years at a community college. Take careful note of what classes will get transfer credit (your final school will have this information). Even better is to go to a CC that has guaranteed transfer agreements with 4-year schools. Great point, sexyred1! A "paper" draftsman now needs Autocad along with other CAD/CAM packages (Solidworks comes to mind). Machinists could learn CNC systems. There are a ton of specialized compiler, simulators and analysis tools used by engineers and just about everybody needs to know a few Microsoft Office applications.

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