Have you ever entertained the idea of doing what you love (D/s) as a business or club?

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Pyramus -> Have you ever entertained the idea of doing what you love (D/s) as a business or club? (10/5/2010 6:18:53 AM)
They say (whoever "they" is), that you should do what you love ... Have you ever entertained the idea of doing what you love (D/s) as an outdoor business or club? Here's an example set of "club events" in the south bay ... (what do you think about it)? We set up a club of "BDSM enthusiasts", starting small, and growing if/when we can. At first, our theme would be "outdoor D/s" play where we'd meet, say once a month in the foothills of the Santa Cruz mountains or Diablo Range, always in a private area, perhaps near Lupin or Mission Peak, and we'd hike with a theme. One of the biggest problems would be privacy, but, assuming that could be figured out, we'd have, along the route, naked slaves tied to the trees, each with a note detailing what should be done to them, and instructions on to the next slave. The goal would be sort of like a scavenger hunt. Neither the slaves nor the participants would know the sealed instructions, so fun would be for all. In some cases, the slaves' instructions would be to paddle them, in others to pleasure them, yet in others to untie them from the trunk of the tree to have them pulled by bound hands and loosely bound feet to the next location and to pleasure the slave tied to the redwood. On another hike, everyone would arrive to find their instructions for the day are for the Doms to be handed leashes and the subs to be restrained, gagged, and plugged. At 10am, the Doms would be handed their instructions for the day and a backpack, which included all the toys they'd need as they were led on a noon picnic hike, where it was prescribed what they'd need to do with the subs on the way to the lunch (with a few free passes sprinkled about for certain secluded stops), and the subs were to be selected at random to be given to the Doms for the trek. As a club, the goals would be to keep it going and fun and healthy for all. As such, membership would be limited to an even number of Doms/subs, and always those who wished to stay together would be assigned each other for the club date. The club fees would have to be self sustaining, and, the "rules" would have to be enforced as at least one volunteer DM would need to be present and not part of the scene at all times. I could go on, but, the main questions are: - Do you think this outdoor-D/s club idea is even feasible? (It would be nice to hear from Edges or Forum participants) - Do you think it's sustainable? (I wonder if mostly men pay most club fees?) - And do you have further ideas as club events?

sunshinemiss -> RE: Have you ever entertained the idea of doing what you love (D/s) as a business or club? (10/5/2010 8:01:05 AM)
No. Not a chance in hell. No. No. Talk to a lawyer.

Zevar -> RE: Have you ever entertained the idea of doing what you love (D/s) as a business or club? (10/5/2010 8:24:38 AM)
quote: I could go on, but, the main questions are: - Do you think this outdoor-D/s club idea is even feasible? (It would be nice to hear from Edges or Forum participants) - Do you think it's sustainable? (I wonder if mostly men pay most club fees?) - And do you have further ideas as club events? The difference between reality based business and fantasy based business is likened to the directional distance between the East and West. With that said, each of your proposed questions quoted above are moot points as any successful business venture is based in what is tangible and capable of creating profitable financial returns. Clearly you have failed to even consider the crucial point in the development of a business. Without a business plan that is not just theory and primarily derived from a fantasy premise then naturally your current business proposal is doomed for a misfortunate disaster. Frankly it is perplexing to think that someone would believe such a business proposal would be successful or even worse would be able to secure financial support to launch this endeavor. What happened to practical design when considering your business proposal, aye? Take care!

phoenixmoonn13 -> RE: Have you ever entertained the idea of doing what you love (D/s) as a business or club? (10/5/2010 9:26:12 AM)
yes have thought about it and know what we would like to do however which i should have written in capitals, the legal implications the time it would take the investment are too much. however i never say never just incase as things change.

DarkSteven -> RE: Have you ever entertained the idea of doing what you love (D/s) as a business or club? (10/5/2010 9:35:08 AM)
I would not consider it. It would change something pleasurable into a drudging business.

LadyHibiscus -> RE: Have you ever entertained the idea of doing what you love (D/s) as a business or club? (10/5/2010 9:50:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven I would not consider it. It would change something pleasurable into a drudging business. Ever so true. I only had my little chapter of Club FEM, and helped with other clubs. Serious aggravation. It's like so many folks who want to open restaurants... but don't realize what is involved. Just because you enjoy a buffet doesn't mean that providing one will be entertaining.

Hillwilliam -> RE: Have you ever entertained the idea of doing what you love (D/s) as a business or club? (10/5/2010 9:50:13 AM)
I think the boy scout troop that stumbled into that area would definitely have something to write home about.

LadyPact -> RE: Have you ever entertained the idea of doing what you love (D/s) as a business or club? (10/5/2010 10:01:03 AM)
Your biggest problem with the scenario that you describe is not privacy. It's protection. You literally have no security for the folks who are restrained on a tree that they will be safe from harm. Not only are they not protected from whatever might happen to them from being subjected to the environment (how are you keeping other people/critters out?) you are subjecting them to any twit who joins the club with a flogger to do as they wish. Are you stationing a DM with them to ensure that they are not abused in some way? Another thing you haven't put a lot of consideration into is an imbalance of numbers. Just how many female bottoms do you really think are going to go for this? You mention in part of the post that the women would be plugged. Are you thinking that women are going to leap at the chance of sexual play for just anybody? I've been to Edges in the past (before the last location closed). I'm really surprised that the folks who ran the place are supporting this being associated with their name on another site.

windchymes -> RE: Have you ever entertained the idea of doing what you love (D/s) as a business or club? (10/5/2010 10:33:02 AM)
Maybe, if you could find someone with like, 97 acres of private land, or something like that.

chickster1 -> RE: Have you ever entertained the idea of doing what you love (D/s) as a business or club? (10/5/2010 10:44:24 AM)
r their women that may gain income by sending females that would enjoy doing as they please without boundary except no males present or sent, to a securely, helplessly, bound, gagged, blinfolded if anonymity needed, cross dressed, prebeaten with marks ansd bruises, vibrators inserted, electrowired, etc. with toys, punishment implements, lingerie, etc to do with as they please? females that have repressed fantasies and fetishes or wish to explore domination and feel release of anger or arousal may be willing i guess. any ideas?

littlewonder -> RE: Have you ever entertained the idea of doing what you love (D/s) as a business or club? (10/5/2010 10:48:43 AM)
it's too small a client base to make a substantial profit. It could be a fun side project tho like selling avon.

DesFIP -> RE: Have you ever entertained the idea of doing what you love (D/s) as a business or club? (10/5/2010 1:46:42 PM)
I can just see those gagged, unattended subs suffering fatal asthma attacks. Plus you forget, just because we're submissive to one doesn't mean we're submissive to all. Even those who choose to play casually choose who they play with. And you're taking that option away from them. Also no way to enforce the rules so who is to stop some top from doing a lot more than the rules state to a restrained unprotected sub?

Missokyst -> RE: Have you ever entertained the idea of doing what you love (D/s) as a business or club? (10/5/2010 1:59:53 PM)
I have some friends with about 10 acres of land in some foothills which are difficult to get to and because of that extremely private. They host these sort seasonal parties on their property where people do engage in outdoor play. But I am going to say that most of them have their own partners. I imagine there are a few subs that wouldn't mind being used by any passing stranger, but it would not be the norm. That outdoor random use thing is probably a better deal for males. quote: ORIGINAL: windchymes Maybe, if you could find someone with like, 97 acres of private land, or something like that.

MasterCord -> RE: Have you ever entertained the idea of doing what you love (D/s) as a business or club? (10/5/2010 2:11:05 PM)
If you did it "legitimately", i.e. ran it like a business, there would be a lot of problems. They run the gamut from legal issues (including arrestable offenses in some states) to insurance issues (...who would insure you? )....to business financing issues... (...outside of the mob...what financial institution would ever back such a thing? ...). Maybe someone who actually has done it successfully can offer better/more accurate advice...but the advice another poster gave - see a lawyer...seems the best. Or...you could get financing from ACORN..... MC

peppermint -> RE: Have you ever entertained the idea of doing what you love (D/s) as a business or club? (10/5/2010 11:13:09 PM)
You have overlooked one major problem here. In your scenario, YOU are the only Dominant. All the others are bound by YOUR rules. Quite frankly, Dominants do not look kindly on someone telling them how to behave, what they must do to play YOUR game. Dominants also do not take kindly when someone tells them what them must do to their own submissives for YOUR enjoyment. Sorry, it's a really nice fantasy but the reality is that no one I know will pay for someone like YOU to organize and run their play times. Yep, Dominants are funny people. They enjoy being in charge. They dominate. They won't pay to make your fantasy come true.

DesFIP -> RE: Have you ever entertained the idea of doing what you love (D/s) as a business or club? (10/6/2010 4:44:11 AM)
So what happens if sub C is supposed to be pleasured and doesn't enjoy it? Does the dom get punished? We don't work that way. We aren't robots where you press the buttons and we perform as ordered. Pleasure for women involves the mind as well as the body.

IronBear -> RE: Have you ever entertained the idea of doing what you love (D/s) as a business or club? (10/6/2010 7:58:01 AM)
If: If I had sufficient funds to risk If it was within the current State Laws If I had the right venue If I organized adequate security My answer would be yes, but I'd prefer to have a semi private resort type concept with a small medieval castle (not terribly expensive) replete with a dungeon and some grounds with in the keep walls to prevent accidental viewing by inquisitive trespassers. This adds accommodation and a feasting hall with restaurant quality food. This would be catering mostly to the public except for when a large enough BDSM group made a blanket booking (again not impossible for say 4 times a year. I'd estimate the start up costs to be about AU$4 million which is not a huge cost in my book.

Icarys -> RE: Have you ever entertained the idea of doing what you love (D/s) as a business or club? (10/6/2010 8:55:33 AM)
I had thought up something similar just as an idea. Buying up all the land around a lake in Alaska, then building cottages so they could be rented out. Then renting to people in the community for events or single getaways...Just a passing thought at the time. As for a BDSM business..It is possible depending on the states laws and how you go about structuring everything. You'd have to plan it extremely well to stay within those laws but just about anything is possible with enough tenacity, money and forethought. When it comes to doing what you love for a business...The world is full of people doing just that and happy as hell because of it. I'm one of them. I've found an outlet for my creativity and I make good money at it. Only a pessimist could find anything wrong with that.[:D] If I had listened to what others told me...I would have never started any of my businesses. Thank goodness I have the mentality that If I decide I want to do something...I will figure out a way I can do it.

couldbemage -> RE: Have you ever entertained the idea of doing what you love (D/s) as a business or club? (10/7/2010 7:22:03 AM)
The bdsm club buisness model already exists. Likewise, the oddball event hosting on isolated private property is being done... we used to live fire our cannon at an event like that. No need to buy up and build either. Near my house there is a 30 acre ranch for sale, with 2 houses and a half dozen cottages. Only 1 mil asking price. 1 hour from LA. Though you'd need to pull in 10 k or so each month to make it worthwhile.

Icarys -> RE: Have you ever entertained the idea of doing what you love (D/s) as a business or club? (10/7/2010 7:19:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: couldbemage The bdsm club buisness model already exists. Likewise, the oddball event hosting on isolated private property is being done... we used to live fire our cannon at an event like that. No need to buy up and build either. Near my house there is a 30 acre ranch for sale, with 2 houses and a half dozen cottages. Only 1 mil asking price. 1 hour from LA. Though you'd need to pull in 10 k or so each month to make it worthwhile. 10k a month as overhead...That sounds like a wonderful idea. A: I would never set up anything anywhere near LA. B: Are you actually telling me that you fired a live cannon at other human beings? Where I stand, That's asking for a cannon stuck up your ass and I don't mean it as a flirt. C: I would buy and build because that's what I'd want to do if I were going to do it..That way I get it set up exactly the way I want it..From the ground up. D: I have no doubt they do exist..We weren't talking about being the first one to do it. E: I wouldn't want a club feel to begin with. F: I have no intentions of doing any of that as of now..As I said..It was a passing idea and since I'll be building my own home when I move to Alaska..Well that's why I came up with what I did. If I were so inclined to do additional cottages for the sake of BDSM getaways..Then it would happen. G: If your looking to cut your teeth on a "regular" so you can look cool..I'm your huckleberry.

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