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pahunkboy -> MUST! congreswoman voice mail!! (9/16/2010 2:26:27 PM)

http://www.prisonplanet.com/shock-audio-dc-congresswoman-leaves-voicemail-asking-for-lobbyist-cash.html




servantforuse -> RE: MUST! congreswoman voice mail!! (9/16/2010 2:50:10 PM)

PA, That's a classic. You just can't make this stuff up. I'm assuming she is a democrat as the racist teaparty wouldn't take her.




mnottertail -> RE: MUST! congreswoman voice mail!! (9/16/2010 2:57:41 PM)

well, I assume the fact that she in in the congress currently as a delegate from DC would indeed make her a democrat, hard to find republicans out there in the legislature.

and what is wrong with what she has done?

here look at just one little sector:

http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/lm_health.php 




pahunkboy -> RE: MUST! congreswoman voice mail!! (9/16/2010 3:02:47 PM)

the point is that they all- most of them are bought off.




mnottertail -> RE: MUST! congreswoman voice mail!! (9/16/2010 3:08:02 PM)

sure.  the republicans had a chance under election finance reform to minimize some of that lobby influence, they passed....gee I wonder why?

therein lies one of our problems, lobbyists are a bigger problem than demopukes or retardicans, neither can hang their nail in the face of them, they are absolutely beholden to them to get information, and to get elected.

our supreme court further exacerbates this by making corporations human. 




pahunkboy -> RE: MUST! congreswoman voice mail!! (9/16/2010 3:24:17 PM)

Yup.  I agree.




Sanity -> RE: MUST! congreswoman voice mail!! (9/16/2010 3:43:50 PM)

quote:

[image]http://biggovernment.com/files/2010/09/ehn_and_pelosi-1024x817.jpg[/image]

1. At the very beginning of the message, Holmes Norton notes that the lobbyist:
has given to other colleagues of the Transportation and Infrastructure Committee
Beyond being a bit heavy-handed, where did she get this information? Such donations are listed in FEC reports, but it is a violation to use that information to solicit campaign donations. 2. More serious, however, is her frequent mention of her seniority and her Chairmanship of a subcommittee. She is attempting to solicit funds based on her past actions taken in her official capacity in Congress. She is implying to the lobbyist that, should he decline to donate, he will be turning down a senior member of Congress who Chairs a subcommittee highly relevant to his “sector”. 3.  Worse than that, she details her role overseeing a large economic development project in the District, funded by “stimulus” funds. It would appear that either the lobbyist has an interest in this project, or the Congresswoman thinks he does, as she states she is “frankly surprised” the lobbyist hasn’t given to her. Especially, she notes, because of her
long and deep work …in fact it has been by major work on the committee and subcommittee it’s been essentially in your sector
“In your sector.” This raises additional concerns, and we note potentially relevant laws here:
She who promises, directly or indirectly, any government contract or other government benefit (provided for or made possible by any Act of Congress) as a reward for a political contribution shall be guilty of a misdemeanor (18 U.S.C. § 600).
She who attempts to cause anyone to make a political contribution by denying or threatening to deny any government payment or other government benefit (provided for or made possible, in whole or in part, by any Act of Congress) shall be guilty of a misdemeanor (18 U.S.C. § 601).
Then there are the House Ethics rules, according to House Ethics Manual (2008 Edition):
p. 147: “[N]o solicitation of a campaign or political contribution may be linked to an action taken or to be taken by a Member … in his or her official capacity. … The Standards Committee has long advised Members … that they should always exercise caution to avoid even the appearance that solicitations of campaign contributions are connected in any way with an action taken or to be taken in their official capacity. … [A] Member should not sponsor or participate in any solicitation that offers donors any special access to the Member in the Member’s official capacity.”
p. 150: “[A] Member may not accept any contribution that is linked with an action that the Member has taken or is being asked to take. A corollary of these rules is that Members … are not to take or withhold any official action on the basis of the campaign contributions or support of the involved individuals …. Members … are likewise prohibited from threatening punitive action on the basis of such considerations.”
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(Read the rest at biggovernment.com).





mnottertail -> RE: MUST! congreswoman voice mail!! (9/16/2010 3:49:26 PM)

Yup, and so far there is no violation there from what I can see in the law.




luckydawg -> RE: MUST! congreswoman voice mail!! (9/16/2010 3:53:55 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

sure.  the republicans had a chance under election finance reform to minimize some of that lobby influence, they passed....gee I wonder why?

therein lies one of our problems, lobbyists are a bigger problem than demopukes or retardicans, neither can hang their nail in the face of them, they are absolutely beholden to them to get information, and to get elected.

our supreme court further exacerbates this by making corporations human. 



She is blatantly violating current law.

Why would it matter if there was a different set of Laws in place?

Dem caught on tape violating law, mnot wants to change the subject.

why do I have a feeling of deja vu?




mnottertail -> RE: MUST! congreswoman voice mail!! (9/16/2010 3:56:29 PM)

what law was violated how?

the deja vu comes from the fact that you were wrong then too.  the entire cia has not been outted to the world, the right to a speedy trial has been preserved, the constitution followed and where are your 5 men gone free?




luckydawg -> RE: MUST! congreswoman voice mail!! (9/16/2010 3:57:44 PM)

p. 150: “[A] Member may not accept any contribution that is linked with an action that the Member has taken or is being asked to take.

I guess you can quibble and say it is a house ethics rule, not a "law" if you want.

whether she violated,

"She who attempts to cause anyone to make a political contribution by denying or threatening to deny any government payment or other government benefit (provided for or made possible, in whole or in part, by any Act of Congress) shall be guilty of a misdemeanor (18 U.S.C. § 601)."

Will have to be decided by a jury.....




mnottertail -> RE: MUST! congreswoman voice mail!! (9/16/2010 4:01:04 PM)

agreed, if they bring charges, for misdemeanor (sorta like she gets a speeding ticket fine and walks away with a million clean) and is found guilty, and she did neither as I read the statute and hear what she actually said.




luckydawg -> RE: MUST! congreswoman voice mail!! (9/16/2010 4:05:39 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

what law was violated how?

the deja vu comes from the fact that you were wrong then too.  the entire cia has not been outted to the world, the right to a speedy trial has been preserved, the constitution followed and where are your 5 men gone free?



Sure. Change the subject. to some blather. They are still in Gitmo I believe, which is still open. Or if you have a relevant update you should start a thread about how I was wrong.


"On January 22, 2009 the White House announced that President Barack Obama had signed an order to suspend the proceedings of the Guantanamo military commission for 120 days and that the detention facility would be shut down within the year.[8][9] On January 29, 2009 a military judge at Guantánamo rejected the White House request in the case of Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri, creating an unexpected challenge for the administration as it reviews how America puts Guantánamo detainees on trial.[10]

On May 20, 2009, the United States Senate passed an amendment to the Supplemental Appropriations Act of 2009 (H.R. 2346) by a 90-6 vote to block funds needed for the transfer or release of prisoners held at the Guantánamo Bay detention camp.[11] As of July 2010, 176 detainees remain at Guantanamo.[12]


Are you going to pretend that 90-6 is "right wing Neo cons %&it breathers....."


see mnopt the honest reader can tell you are trying to bring up something from 3 years ago,( where I handed you your hat), that they are not familiar with in an attempt to change the subject. Cause you got nothign to stand on in this case.

A democratic got busted. You want to minimize it, there will be a large media blitz for the same purpose.

But it won't work.




pahunkboy -> RE: MUST! congreswoman voice mail!! (9/16/2010 4:05:55 PM)

who cares what party she is?

a crook is a crook!




mnottertail -> RE: MUST! congreswoman voice mail!! (9/16/2010 4:07:57 PM)

as I listen to the voicemail and read the statute she can say 'I am not a crook', and she would be right and tricky dickie would still be wrong, dead or not. 




luckydawg -> RE: MUST! congreswoman voice mail!! (9/16/2010 4:13:48 PM)

Though you have to remember he thinks Gitmo was closed and all the cases were speedily settled too....




mnottertail -> RE: MUST! congreswoman voice mail!! (9/16/2010 4:15:50 PM)

who does, hunkie? they are receiving their right to a speedy trial, no cia has been outted, and the constitution is being followed.  and you are quite sure they are still in gitmo are you?
you got a cite on that? 




luckydawg -> RE: MUST! congreswoman voice mail!! (9/16/2010 4:31:14 PM)

I don't even recall the details of what you are talking about.

And I know you would never dare make an actuall accusation to me, so you are not going to refresh the details of what you are talking about. Vauge generalities are about all you can handle. You get beat like a Bitch with FAS every time you dare get specific.

there are hundreds of terrorists in gitmo. If you think 7+ years is a speedy trial, I dont know what to say...




pahunkboy -> RE: MUST! congreswoman voice mail!! (9/16/2010 4:32:25 PM)

A bribe is a bribe.

This is pay for play.




popeye1250 -> RE: MUST! congreswoman voice mail!! (9/16/2010 5:49:03 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

A bribe is a bribe.

This is pay for play.



PaHunk, yup. In the old days they called it "GRAFT!"




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