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TheHeretic -> RE: Unemployment Jumps to 9.6% (9/4/2010 12:05:28 PM)


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ORIGINAL: domiguy


http://www.yourhomeatthebeach.com/




DG, you have just cited the sales pitch from a realtor's website. [8|]




StrangerThan -> RE: Unemployment Jumps to 9.6% (9/4/2010 3:53:58 PM)

I don't give one shit what people think about me domi. I'm not in a popularity contest.

As for being wrong, you took a realtor's website, and called a personal owner a liar. I sold a house there last year, and guess what, my statistics are going to shit all over your realtor cheering section.

Nor is it your right to establish who is wrong and who is right in what is, in most cases, a difference of opinion. I swear to God, you act like the little kid on the playground who runs between people trying to figure out where he can make the most friends.
I have read some real partisan tripe on these board, but that is absolutely hilarious.

So why don't you cite me a position in which I'm wrong and debate me. Come on, try real hard.






popeye1250 -> RE: Unemployment Jumps to 9.6% (9/5/2010 10:57:22 AM)

Oh, and I like the informality and "Southern Charm" of this area too!
The first time I met my lawyer here he came out to the waiting room in jeans and a golf shirt! Quite a differance from my lawyer up in New Hampshire who wears three piece worsted wool suits.
And, I don't even need an alarm clock!
I just leave the back slider open and awaken to the golfers swearing in the morning!




tazzygirl -> RE: Unemployment Jumps to 9.6% (9/5/2010 10:59:34 AM)

Too flipping hot for a three piece suit there!

But, if you ever meet Pavilack, you may swear you were back up north.




Jeffff -> RE: Unemployment Jumps to 9.6% (9/5/2010 11:41:56 AM)

WHat an informative thread!

So much factual information. I believe I have changed my mind.

I love all of your various opinions.




asilentscream -> RE: Unemployment Jumps to 9.6% (9/5/2010 12:32:31 PM)

I wish politicians would address outsourcing and importing of foreign workers instead of blaming the other party for everything.




Owner59 -> RE: Unemployment Jumps to 9.6% (9/5/2010 12:58:55 PM)

If there`s no talent pool here,what is a company going to do.Hire less than competent people?

I would like to see Americans get those jobs.

Not to jab at political parties......but which one is for better education better payed teachers and which seeks to get rid of the ED

Which party wanted Internet in every classroom more that ten years ago and which one killed that effort?

Republicans prove and show in many ways that they couldn`t care less about America`s competitiveness.




asilentscream -> RE: Unemployment Jumps to 9.6% (9/5/2010 1:19:37 PM)

I'm not convinced it's because there's no talent pool. Supposedly there's a trucker shortage right now, but really there's a shortage of Americans willing to make substandard wages while driving unsafe trucks.
http://money.cnn.com/2010/06/09/news/economy/truck_driver_shortage/index.htm

The story says they make a decent wage in the 30,000s, but I'm still skeptical.

It seems like a habit of industry to scream shortages when really they just want to not hire people for American wages.

Also I found a story on CNN Money about some firms outsourcing accounting to India. This isn't that one, but you get the idea.
http://money.cnn.com/2003/12/30/pf/offshorejob/

Maybe if companies want to have the benefits of marketing their service to Americans there should be some kind of tarriff or incentive for them to actually hire Americans so the benefits of operating in America can continue? Seems fair to me.




Owner59 -> RE: Unemployment Jumps to 9.6% (9/5/2010 1:42:52 PM)

There is no doubt that a common corporate practice is to hire foreigners to drive down the average wage.Same with hiring part-timers or outright sending work to other countries to be done at a fraction of what that labor would cost here.

Funny thing is,we voted for these policies and can vote them out.




ThatDaveGuy69 -> RE: Unemployment Jumps to 9.6% (9/5/2010 1:46:10 PM)

Get used to it folks.
The Dems have no spine and the GOP couldn't care less.

~Dave




asilentscream -> RE: Unemployment Jumps to 9.6% (9/5/2010 2:09:02 PM)

That could change if enough American attitudes changed on a very large scale.




popeye1250 -> RE: Unemployment Jumps to 9.6% (9/5/2010 2:33:30 PM)


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ORIGINAL: asilentscream

I'm not convinced it's because there's no talent pool. Supposedly there's a trucker shortage right now, but really there's a shortage of Americans willing to make substandard wages while driving unsafe trucks.
http://money.cnn.com/2010/06/09/news/economy/truck_driver_shortage/index.htm

The story says they make a decent wage in the 30,000s, but I'm still skeptical.

It seems like a habit of industry to scream shortages when really they just want to not hire people for American wages.

Also I found a story on CNN Money about some firms outsourcing accounting to India. This isn't that one, but you get the idea.
http://money.cnn.com/2003/12/30/pf/offshorejob/

Maybe if companies want to have the benefits of marketing their service to Americans there should be some kind of tarriff or incentive for them to actually hire Americans so the benefits of operating in America can continue? Seems fair to me.



A decent wage in the $30,000's?
They were making in the $30,000's in the 1980's. Today a "decent wage" would be in the "$80,000's.




truckinslave -> RE: Unemployment Jumps to 9.6% (9/5/2010 4:30:15 PM)

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The story says they make a decent wage in the 30,000s, but I'm still skeptical.


That's low, or at least used to be. None of my guys ever made less than high 30s.




Marini -> RE: Unemployment Jumps to 9.6% (9/5/2010 7:02:15 PM)


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ORIGINAL: asilentscream

I wish politicians would address outsourcing and importing of foreign workers instead of blaming the other party for everything.


I like the way you think, welcome!




Vendaval -> RE: Unemployment Jumps to 9.6% (9/6/2010 12:41:49 AM)

Do you have a bucket of stray balls on the back porch?

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250
I just leave the back slider open and awaken to the golfers swearing in the morning!





Hippiekinkster -> RE: Unemployment Jumps to 9.6% (9/6/2010 2:13:57 AM)


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ORIGINAL: popeye1250




Now he's off to Camp David again, after just returning from Martha's Vinyard two weeks ago?
In this area (Myrtle Beach, SC) the unemployment rate is 14-17 % according to local news sources and the dept of employment security.
And noone's hiring.

Of course, the economy of Myrtle beach is based in tourism, and when people don't have the money for vacations, tourism suffers.

No reason why you should be able to add two and two, though.




luckydawg -> RE: Unemployment Jumps to 9.6% (9/6/2010 3:11:50 AM)


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ORIGINAL: domiguy

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ORIGINAL: StrangerThan

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ORIGINAL: domiguy


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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Dog, you're right in the ballpark.

They did overbuild here but prices didn't skyrocket like up North so they haven't fallen like up North either.
You can buy three condos here for the price of one up North!
And it's mostly "touristy" here and also about 110 golf courses, not much industry at all. I guess it's a lot of retirees like me on pensions who keep things rolling.
I bought a 3 b/r 2 bath condo (1,300 sq. ft.)on a golf course in 2004 for $84 k brandnew and they're probably worth $100k now. And, my yearly real estate taxes on this place are,.........$380.
For the same thing in N.H. where I moved here from it would have cost me $350 k and the taxes would be $5,000!
That's why I can drive a Lincoln MKS now!
It's downright cheap to live here compared to up North especially if you're on a pension and, the Carolinas have some of the best weather in the country.


I am sure pops woud never lie....

http://www.yourhomeatthebeach.com/

Myrtle Beach Condos
The condo has been the hardest hit sector of the Myrtle Beach real estate market. The price have dropped 50-60% in some cases, and now things are really starting to pick up. Not only have the prices dropped, but many of the POA fees for owning the condo have also dropped. Those two factors and low interest rates make condo ownership more affordable than ever before.



I grew up in the Carolinas. That perspective helps when tossing banal attacks on one's veracity. Pops perspective is an accurate portrayal of most who moved North to South. If you want my credentials on making such a statement, it comes from growing up in a family who built homes. Easily, 90 percent went to folks from some point north wherein a large percentage of them noted similar sentiments.

To spell it out for you domi, not dropping in one area like another area, means that someone like pops could still sell his home or condo up north, move down, buy something nice on the cheap because it never skyrocketed to the same levels. What you can do is hunt out exceptions anywhere, which is fortunate for someone talking out their ass about something they know nothing about.






Here is what pops said.

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

I bought a 3 b/r 2 bath condo (1,300 sq. ft.)on a golf course in 2004 for $84 k brandnew and they're probably worth $100k now. .



Pops, much like yourself has been known to be frequrently wrong on just about every topic that he chooses to participate in.

My article specifically states.....

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ORIGINAL: domiguy

http://www.yourhomeatthebeach.com/

Myrtle Beach Condos
The condo has been the hardest hit sector of the Myrtle Beach real estate market. The price have dropped 50-60% in some cases, and now things are really starting to pick up. Not only have the prices dropped, but many of the POA fees for owning the condo have also dropped. Those two factors and low interest rates make condo ownership more affordable than ever before.




Which would be in direct contrast to what popeye has written.

Please try and stay on topic. It would be so nice for a change. Many people out here have rather strong opinions about you.



Some folks just are not smart enough to grasp the meaning of the qualifier,"in some cases". And why that is different than "in most cases" or "generally in the Condo Market". Qualifiers really seem to perplex some posters.

But people who can't grasp what they read do exist.





StrangerThan -> RE: Unemployment Jumps to 9.6% (9/6/2010 4:29:53 AM)

I built a house, which isn't in MB, but is in a section of the Carolinas where the local economy is dominated by tourism and that has much the same literature spewing from realtors. Granted, I did much of the work. I sub-contracted portions like foundation, electrical, plumbing, well and drywall, along with various other pieces here and there. Much of the rest I did myself with the help of family, friends, in the same way I had helped many of them over the years raise roofs, frame walls, water-proof basements and the like. For a bit over 100k in construction loans, I ended up with a 2000 sq foot cape cod, a gorgeous view, a pair of covered decks that totaled somewhere close to 1000 sq feet front and back, and an open floor plan that incorporated 2 1/2 baths and three bedrooms. It could have easily been 4 bedrooms, but I like big rooms. One of the upper bedrooms was 20 by 22. The downstairs bedroom and master bath occupied about a third of the total living space downstairs. The remaining bedroom upstairs had dimensions that were more common. It was either 12x14 or 14x16. I can't remember which. All had walk-in closets. I incorporated space from one of the dormers along with a bit left over at the top of the staircase to wind around a walkway and rail to office space. It was by no means huge, but was open, full of light. The bookcases and filing cabinet space were built into the walls, which left plenty of room for a rather large desk without it feeling cramped. The room itself, I had wired with 6 outlets, cable and two phone lines.

It sat on a couple of acres, had a creek running down the back side through a small grove of trees where I had used natural shrubs for landscaping and stuck a picnic area and grill. I used it maybe once or twice, but that little garden/picnic spot ended up being one of the telling points on the sale. All flowerbeds and landscaping were done in gentle curves for the simple reason that while i had all the tools to do lawn work, I figured since I'd spent a large chunk on a riding mower, I'd do as much of the work from it as possible. Out of the entire place, it took about 10 minutes using a weed eater or push mower once the riding was done. The back side I ringed in fruit, peaches on the upper corner, Muscadine grapes on the lower situated between two types of apples, two types of pears, cherries and  blueberries.

The house sold for twice what I had in it. What I won't argue is that the realtor kept banging on me to drop the price, nor that prices around me were dropping. Much of that seemed to be from distressed sales, meaning either people who were losing their home, or folks who had moved out of the area and needed that mortgage off their backs. I was in a position where making two house payments wasn't fun, but was something I could do. In the end I had competing offers and was able to choose the best of the lot. Another point I won't argue is that I probably could have gotten more for it the year before.

The realtor wanted the starting price 25k under what it sold for. The house I later bought, has a mortgage under $500 a month. It is a 30 year old, 3400 sq foot ranch type house that had been treated with less than tender care situated on about an acre outside city limits. It went on the market for about 100k if memory serves me right. I did some bargaining and dumped some of the profit from the other house into the purchase of this one. I think I currently owe somewhere around 60k total for it. I spent maybe 10-12k  in the first two weeks on it. My father and I re-floored much of the upstairs in hardwood. I rebuilt the subfloor in the kitchen and my girl laid tile while he and I laid hardwood. I redid the subfloor and replaced linoleum with tile in the main bathroom myself. The heat pump too had to be replaced.

I paid a company to carpet the bedrooms. Sue me. I hate stepping out on to cold floors in the winter from a nice warm bed.

It isn't done. It is very much a work in progress. By the time I am done, however, I fully expect, even in this market, to make somewhere between 100 and 150k.

The upshot of it is that general trends are just that, generalizations. It is possible to make money these days on real estate and houses, just not as easy as it used to be. You have to be more careful of location, price, and what you're buying. Before doubting anyone on the perceived market value of any house, there are a lot of things that need to be taken into account that may not abide by general trends, among which are location, improvements, and often as not, waiting for the right buyer.

Shrug. Just me.




RacerJim -> RE: Unemployment Jumps to 9.6% (9/6/2010 5:33:28 AM)


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

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WASHINGTON – Private employers hired more workers over the past three months than first thought, a glimmer of hope for the weak economy ahead of the Labor Day weekend. But the unemployment rate rose because not enough jobs were created to absorb the growing number of people looking for work.


Guess that part of the news really doesnt matter

"...the unemployment rate rose because not enough jobs were created..."
Guess you can't accept the fact that that's the part of the news that really does matter.




rulemylife -> RE: Unemployment Jumps to 9.6% (9/6/2010 12:59:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: RacerJim


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

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WASHINGTON – Private employers hired more workers over the past three months than first thought, a glimmer of hope for the weak economy ahead of the Labor Day weekend. But the unemployment rate rose because not enough jobs were created to absorb the growing number of people looking for work.


Guess that part of the news really doesnt matter

"...the unemployment rate rose because not enough jobs were created..."
Guess you can't accept the fact that that's the part of the news that really does matter.



Guess that people who actually understand what those numbers mean don't agree with your economic analysis:


World markets rise as double-dip fears ease - The Economic Times

LONDON – World stock markets advanced modestly Monday as investors rode momentum from Friday, when an upbeat U.S. jobs report eased fears that the global economy could slip back into recession.

With Wall Street closed for a holiday, however, trading was expected to remain light.

Markets took heart after official data last week showed private employers in the U.S. added 67,000 jobs in August, more than analysts expected.




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