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pahunkboy -> Sell by dates? (8/18/2010 9:39:07 AM)

http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/press.aspx?id=5498

I hope this is not too big of a trend.  The exp is not necessarily the end point.




tazzygirl -> RE: Sell by dates? (8/18/2010 9:43:33 AM)

The expiration date is there to protect the public, pa. I cant believe you, of all people, would advocate selling past that date.




sub4hire -> RE: Sell by dates? (8/18/2010 9:44:42 AM)


PA, it really depends on what you are purchasing.  An expired drug loses it's effectiveness as it ages.  So, it is virtually worthless.

Consumables well you get into the area of freshness being lost.  Everyone has eaten a stale potato chip.  Flour gets bugs. 
Well you get the idea. 

CVS was obviously busted tor a lot of stale crap they were trying to sell.  If they wanted to sell it they should have removed it and put it in an area labeled expired you can have it for pennies.  Use at your own risk type of situation. 

Think of the typical bread store?  Although a lot of expired products do have a shelf life, won't hurt you.  It depends upon the product. 





pahunkboy -> RE: Sell by dates? (8/18/2010 9:45:28 AM)

Tazz,

I shop at a surplus store.  Most everything there has just expired.

I find it hard to believe that things like cold tablets wear out by then.




tazzygirl -> RE: Sell by dates? (8/18/2010 9:49:08 AM)

These were not marked as expired... sold full price. Some drugs even become toxic after a while.




pahunkboy -> RE: Sell by dates? (8/18/2010 9:50:38 AM)

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ORIGINAL: sub4hire


PA, it really depends on what you are purchasing.  An expired drug loses it's effectiveness as it ages.  So, it is virtually worthless.

Consumables well you get into the area of freshness being lost.  Everyone has eaten a stale potato chip.  Flour gets bugs. 
Well you get the idea. 

CVS was obviously busted tor a lot of stale crap they were trying to sell.  If they wanted to sell it they should have removed it and put it in an area labeled expired you can have it for pennies.  Use at your own risk type of situation. 

Think of the typical bread store?  Although a lot of expired products do have a shelf life, won't hurt you.  It depends upon the product. 




Yes- it depends on the item.

Some things I will buy expired and some not.




EbonyWood -> RE: Sell by dates? (8/18/2010 9:52:14 AM)

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

Tazz,

I shop at a surplus store.  Most everything there has just expired.

I find it hard to believe that things like cold tablets wear out by then.




If you are buying expired medication, I think we may have just cracked the case.




pissdoll -> RE: Sell by dates? (8/18/2010 3:06:22 PM)

mass retailers such as cvs receive "allowances" from all of the major manufacturers for "spoilages."

what that means is, every year they get a fat check or credit from all of the manufacturers for the products that either get damaged and/or go out of code.

basically, cvs was taking the credits from their vendors (these are HUGE amounts and are AUTOMATIC as stated in their contracts with the manufacturers) and instead of destroying old product or returning it, were keeping it on the shelf and selling it to customers.

stores are responsible for making sure product is properly rotated. this obviously was not happening on a HUGE scale.

they ripped off the manufacturers and put the public at risk, so now they have to pay for it.






Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: Sell by dates? (8/18/2010 3:11:37 PM)

tazzy somethings are good beyond the sale date,  Now some may not be good for very long after, but I think throwing stuff out just because it's past sale date is wasteful, if it's something that can remain good and not harbor harmful bacteria or something.
quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

The expiration date is there to protect the public, pa. I cant believe you, of all people, would advocate selling past that date.




KyttynTheMynx -> RE: Sell by dates? (8/18/2010 3:20:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Toppingfrmbottom

tazzy somethings are good beyond the sale date,  Now some may not be good for very long after, but I think throwing stuff out just because it's past sale date is wasteful, if it's something that can remain good and not harbor harmful bacteria or something.
quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

The expiration date is there to protect the public, pa. I cant believe you, of all people, would advocate selling past that date.



I dont consider it wasteful if it means that I dont eat something that LOOKED safe, but was in fact tainted.

Companies have a duty to keep the best interest of their consumers at heart. You have a duty to keep YOUR best interest at heart. You wanna eat something past date, go for it. But dont tell my local grocery store that its ok to give me that same stuff just because you feel its wasteful, and it looks safe.




pahunkboy -> RE: Sell by dates? (8/18/2010 3:23:17 PM)

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ORIGINAL: pissdoll

mass retailers such as cvs receive "allowances" from all of the major manufacturers for "spoilages."

what that means is, every year they get a fat check or credit from all of the manufacturers for the products that either get damaged and/or go out of code.

basically, cvs was taking the credits from their vendors (these are HUGE amounts and are AUTOMATIC as stated in their contracts with the manufacturers) and instead of destroying old product or returning it, were keeping it on the shelf and selling it to customers.

stores are responsible for making sure product is properly rotated. this obviously was not happening on a HUGE scale.

they ripped off the manufacturers and put the public at risk, so now they have to pay for it.





ok- years ago- there was a hallmark suit of the same type.  the cards were not destroyed.

CVS- tho IMO is retail.




CynthiaWVirginia -> RE: Sell by dates? (8/18/2010 3:26:22 PM)

[sm=goodpost.gif]
 
Thank you, pissdoll, for teaching me something I didn't know. 
 
Btw, everyone...the reason why I have a niece...is because of drug manufacturers taking expired birth control, relabeling them with a better date and then selling them to the Army.  Yeah, they got spanked for it but not hard enough. 
 
Lots of women in the Army got knocked up while on that pill that year.
 
I know this thread is about expired OTC drugs and food, but...there is a reason we have rules, and nobody should buy expired things without being aware and giving consent.  When I buy OTC meds, they stay in my medicine chest for a year or two...that is too long for something that is expired already.




Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: Sell by dates? (8/18/2010 4:01:30 PM)

Cynthia, one day I went through our medicin cabnit and threw away like 20 bottles of pills, all of them mostly from 1995, and  I did this in 2009 and my dad said why'd I do that and I said they're over 9 years old an he said pills don't expire it's bullshit that pills expire.

But either way, it was out of his hands I already threw them out lol.

quote:

ORIGINAL: CynthiaWVirginia

[sm=goodpost.gif]
 
Thank you, pissdoll, for teaching me something I didn't know. 
 
Btw, everyone...the reason why I have a niece...is because of drug manufacturers taking expired birth control, relabeling them with a better date and then selling them to the Army.  Yeah, they got spanked for it but not hard enough. 
 
Lots of women in the Army got knocked up while on that pill that year.
 
I know this thread is about expired OTC drugs and food, but...there is a reason we have rules, and nobody should buy expired things without being aware and giving consent.  When I buy OTC meds, they stay in my medicine chest for a year or two...that is too long for something that is expired already.




Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: Sell by dates? (8/18/2010 4:08:41 PM)

If consumers want to buy it an then are willing not to bitch if they get sick, it should be up to the consumers, after all that's what programs like Senior Gleaners that gives out food to the homeless an needy are doing, giving out dated goods.

When my dad worked at the church food closet he'd always see things like doughnuts and breads and cookies an stuff that were past expiration, true not by much, at the very least only 3-5 days, but if food companies feel it's good enough for the needy to eat, why isn't it safe, and good enough for consumers who're paying for it to want to chose to buy it.

quote:

ORIGINAL: KyttynTheMynx



I dont consider it wasteful if it means that I dont eat something that LOOKED safe, but was in fact tainted.

Companies have a duty to keep the best interest of their consumers at heart. You have a duty to keep YOUR best interest at heart. You wanna eat something past date, go for it. But dont tell my local grocery store that its ok to give me that same stuff just because you feel its wasteful, and it looks safe.




KyttynTheMynx -> RE: Sell by dates? (8/18/2010 5:47:58 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Toppingfrmbottom

If consumers want to buy it an then are willing not to bitch if they get sick, it should be up to the consumers, I dont know anyone stupid enough to risk their health like that.after all that's what programs like Senior Gleaners that gives out food to the homeless an needy are doing, giving out dated goodsThe goods are rarely ever horribly outdated, unless someone isnt doing their job..

When my dad worked at the church food closet he'd always see things like doughnuts and breads and cookies an stuff that were past expiration, true not by much, at the very least only 3-5 days, but if food companies feel it's good enough for the needy to eat, why isn't it safe, and good enough for consumers who're paying for it to want to chose to buy it. Because the companies are promoting their product as FRESH. If I dont get the fresh cookies I paid for, I am taking the shit back. And in doing so, they are losing money and making themselves look bad. Would you buy cookies that were advertised on TV as the stalest in town? Seriously doubt it. They pull it off the shelves for that reason. They have expiration dates for a reason.

quote:

ORIGINAL: KyttynTheMynx



I dont consider it wasteful if it means that I dont eat something that LOOKED safe, but was in fact tainted.

Companies have a duty to keep the best interest of their consumers at heart. You have a duty to keep YOUR best interest at heart. You wanna eat something past date, go for it. But dont tell my local grocery store that its ok to give me that same stuff just because you feel its wasteful, and it looks safe.







sub4hire -> RE: Sell by dates? (8/18/2010 6:09:28 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: pissdoll

mass retailers such as cvs receive "allowances" from all of the major manufacturers for "spoilages."

what that means is, every year they get a fat check or credit from all of the manufacturers for the products that either get damaged and/or go out of code.





Not all retailers get a kick back for the spoils.  It depends on how good their people are with the contract in the first place.  Milk...typically is a 3% spoilage rate.  Yet that can go much higher if a person does not know how to order...etc. 




Aneirin -> RE: Sell by dates? (8/18/2010 7:52:47 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/press.aspx?id=5498

I hope this is not too big of a trend.  The exp is not necessarily the end point.



I often eat life ex food, as I have found the expiry date to be a little conservative, anyways I always employ the sense test before I consume anything. Sense test is ; does it look ok, does it smell ok and with cold foods, does it taste ok, a small nibble that is, anything yukky can be spat out. The human senses are very good when it comes to the edibility and potability of food stuffs, and have been used with apparent success for thousands of years, long before printed expiry dates on packaged foods.




tazzygirl -> RE: Sell by dates? (8/18/2010 9:19:00 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Toppingfrmbottom

Cynthia, one day I went through our medicin cabnit and threw away like 20 bottles of pills, all of them mostly from 1995, and  I did this in 2009 and my dad said why'd I do that and I said they're over 9 years old an he said pills don't expire it's bullshit that pills expire.

But either way, it was out of his hands I already threw them out lol.

quote:

ORIGINAL: CynthiaWVirginia

[sm=goodpost.gif]
 
Thank you, pissdoll, for teaching me something I didn't know. 
 
Btw, everyone...the reason why I have a niece...is because of drug manufacturers taking expired birth control, relabeling them with a better date and then selling them to the Army.  Yeah, they got spanked for it but not hard enough. 
 
Lots of women in the Army got knocked up while on that pill that year.
 
I know this thread is about expired OTC drugs and food, but...there is a reason we have rules, and nobody should buy expired things without being aware and giving consent.  When I buy OTC meds, they stay in my medicine chest for a year or two...that is too long for something that is expired already.



TFB

No offence, but your dad gave you bad advice.

If the medication has been opened, or stored in a high temperature or high humidity environment (like your bathroom medicine cabinet), it is wise to dispose of it. Tetracycline type antibiotics and some seizure medications can cause serious toxicity if taken beyond the expiration date. Liquid drugs are less stable than tablet/powder/capsule medications. Some medications are especially affected by age. For example, taking oral contraceptives that have expired may produce an unexpected pregnancy. Some drugs obviously disintegrate, such as acetilysalycilic acid, that develops an acidic smell when it is old

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/5236/expired_drugs_are_they_safe.html?cat=5

and this from Walgreens

Topic: Drugs, Safety
Question: Do medications and supplements really go bad at their expiration date?

Answer:The expiration date on a medication is the date until which the manufacturer can guarantee its safety and full potency. Proper storage can help ensure that the medication does not “go bad.” In fact, medications stored under proper conditions may retain all or much of their potency for at least one to two years following their expiration date, often longer. However, since some medications become harmful if taken after they have expired, it is never recommended to take expired medication.

Medications stored under adverse conditions, such as heat, humidity, and direct light, may actually expire before the stated expiration date. One place that is notoriously bad for storing medications is the typical bathroom medicine cabinet. The heat and humidity that can build up during bathing make it exactly the wrong place to keep medicine. Those conditions can cause a medication to break down, lose its potency, or in some cases become toxic. On the other hand, a refrigerator is ideal for certain medications and supplements: It’s cool, dark, and dry. Be sure to always read directions on medicine containers—both prescription and over-the-counter—as special storage instructions should be listed.

Here are some guidelines to keep in mind:


§ Throw away any pills if they are discolored or powdery, or smell unusual or strong.

§ Toss capsules that are cracked, leaking, or sticking together.

§ Discard any liquids that have become cloudy or filmy, or any hardened or cracked creams.

§ Store medications in a cool, dry location, out of the reach of children and pets. Make sure those requiring refrigeration are stored in and returned after use to the refrigerator, and again—out of children’s reach.

§ Avoid storing different medications in one container because chemicals from one medication can alter another in potency or cause harmful side effects. If different medications have been stored in the same container for any period of time, throw them away.

§ Note that certain medications, such as insulin and liquid antibiotics, break down quickly and should be used by the expiration date.

§ Be especially cautious with medications used for a serious health condition compared to an aspirin for a headache. You want to be sure it’s at its full potency. So take storage precautions very seriously.

§ When in doubt about a drug’s storage or safety, ask your pharmacist.


http://www.walgreens.com/marketing/library/ask/aap/drugssafety/drugssafety_expirationdate.html




Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: Sell by dates? (8/18/2010 9:20:37 PM)

Tazzy, I know:)

It's why I threw them all out and still would if I came across old outdated stuff.

quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl




TFB

No offence, but your dad gave you bad advice.






Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: Sell by dates? (8/18/2010 9:37:17 PM)

I have  and will again, and my dad has and will  again, and are still very healthy and kicking, An other people have eaten certain things that are past expiration date, things that have been boxed up and never opened, or things that are not likely to be spoiled, like cereals we may have bought an forgotten about in the pantry Or stuff like hamburger helper , or boxed pudding mix  or canned goods  6 7 8 months out dated It's still good, it just might not have the freshest flavor as it once did, but We feel there's no risk in eating it.. Hell my dad's had canned good stuff 2 years old in the pantry and cracked it open an it was still good.

Nobody got sick. If the cans not damaged or dented or bulging or leaking, it's probably good.

I will stand by my claim that I feel some stuff is safe to eat after its expiration date, and have never gotten sick doing so.

However, I'm not saying every one has to feel that way.

And yes i have eaten stale cookies, and they were perfectly fine except for maybe being a bit soggy. No I wouldn't buy them super stale as in 4 months stale, but I would buy  stale cookies, if they were the kind that kept well, if the price on them was a steal.

quote:

ORIGINAL: KyttynTheMynx


I dont know anyone stupid enough to risk their health like that.




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