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They do understand that people who lost loved ones in 911 might be a little upset by this building don't they?

Yes, the same way, owners of gunshops, shooting ranges, and churchs devoted to Christianity, open their doors in Oklahoma City. You might recall a pair of extremists conservatives, who did something bad on 4/19/1995. If what conservatives say is true, then should one find not a single gunshop, shooting range or church to Christianity, within the city limits.....for the last 15 years?

That's a pretty sorry analogy. Please point me to any link where there was opposition to the building of gunshops or shooting ranges in Oklahoma City.

Not really. Or are you saying all conservatives, hold the same political thoughts that Mr. McVeigh and Mr. Nicholas, held? In which case, all conservatives, are open to the idea of commiting violent and destructive attacks on the USA?

Sorry, I dont think that's true. The extreme conservatives, just like the extreme muslims, are open to such ideas. And both, make their respected philosophies look bad for 'taking matters in to their own hands', because 'the ends justify the means'. You may not have studied the militia movement back in the 90's. Some pretty scary stuff; makes the crap on Fox News sound tame and sane.

Now, why would conservative Christians, oppose a church being built? Why would muslims be opposed to a mosque being built? SAME ARGUEMENT. They (the Christians) would argue, it would be to help heal the community of such a great tragedy (In Oklahoma City). Why do these muslims want to build a mosqu? To help heal the suffering of another, great tragey (in NYC). SAME REASON, given. Why is it 'ok' for one but 'an insult' to another? Please tell me.

Besides, did Mr. Clinton try to exploit and milk 4/19/1995 for every drop it was worth? HELL NO! Did Mr. Bush try to exploit and milk 9/11/2001 for every drop it was worth? OH Hell Yeah! Or do you have legitimate links that say Mr. bush did not exploit 9/11 for political points? And those links can refute, that it was not Mr. Bush, that said Iraq and Saddam Hussein were directly helping the attackers of 9/11....justifying the reason to attack Iraq?

You got the burdern of evidence to come up with, taniatv.

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What I am saying is that Christians do not own Ground Zero.... and Muslims died there too. It is not a complex idea to get that some of those people are Muslims and building a cultural center FIVE BLOCKS AWAY isn't going to hurt anybody

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Now as in the other thread I agree this center should be allowed to be built only because of our laws and heritage...but why constantly try in every thread to disparage people who feel building this center is not the appropriate thing to do at this time?

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You may be right in the law but why do you find it so hard to understand and sympathize with those that still feel hurt and anger over their lost relatives and friends.

They may be wrong but need guidance and understanding and gentle nudging in the right direction not satire and distain.

Butch

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People are still upset over 9-11.

Building a mosque there- will only lead to same crazy man bombing the mosque.

Sad- but true.  Some nut would take the law into his own hands.   It simply is a bad idea.

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You answered none of my questions...do you want me to post the 2,900 plus names of non Muslims...will that make any more of a difference to you than your post to me?

Butch

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They do understand that people who lost loved ones in 911 might be a little upset by this building don't they?

Yes, the same way, owners of gunshops, shooting ranges, and churchs devoted to Christianity, open their doors in Oklahoma City. You might recall a pair of extremists conservatives, who did something bad on 4/19/1995. If what conservatives say is true, then should one find not a single gunshop, shooting range or church to Christianity, within the city limits.....for the last 15 years?

That's a pretty sorry analogy. Please point me to any link where there was opposition to the building of gunshops or shooting ranges in Oklahoma City.

Not really. Or are you saying all conservatives, hold the same political thoughts that Mr. McVeigh and Mr. Nicholas, held? In which case, all conservatives, are open to the idea of commiting violent and destructive attacks on the USA?

Sorry, I dont think that's true. The extreme conservatives, just like the extreme muslims, are open to such ideas. And both, make their respected philosophies look bad for 'taking matters in to their own hands', because 'the ends justify the means'. You may not have studied the militia movement back in the 90's. Some pretty scary stuff; makes the crap on Fox News sound tame and sane.

Now, why would conservative Christians, oppose a church being built? Why would muslims be opposed to a mosque being built? SAME ARGUEMENT. They (the Christians) would argue, it would be to help heal the community of such a great tragedy (In Oklahoma City). Why do these muslims want to build a mosqu? To help heal the suffering of another, great tragey (in NYC). SAME REASON, given. Why is it 'ok' for one but 'an insult' to another? Please tell me.

Besides, did Mr. Clinton try to exploit and milk 4/19/1995 for every drop it was worth? HELL NO! Did Mr. Bush try to exploit and milk 9/11/2001 for every drop it was worth? OH Hell Yeah! Or do you have legitimate links that say Mr. bush did not exploit 9/11 for political points? And those links can refute, that it was not Mr. Bush, that said Iraq and Saddam Hussein were directly helping the attackers of 9/11....justifying the reason to attack Iraq?

You got the burdern of evidence to come up with, taniatv.

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Now as in the other thread I agree this center should be allowed to be built only because of our laws and heritage...but why constantly try in every thread to disparage people who feel building this center is not the appropriate thing to do at this time?

I was unaware that disagreeing is disparaging...

As a matter of fact I could argue the opposite, those who are against this are disparaging nonviolent people who want a place to meet FIVE BLOCKS AWAY FROM GROUND ZERO when there is a Christian church that abuts it.

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You may be right in the law but why do you find it so hard to understand and sympathize with those that still feel hurt and anger over their lost relatives and friends.

They may be wrong but need guidance and understanding and gentle nudging in the right direction not satire and distain.

Butch

I have no use for religious intolerance. I won't coddle people who are intolerant. The people who harbor intolerance for others simply because they practice a different religion are the seeds of religious hatred and violence tomorrow....

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I didn't realize it was " Christians " who were opposing this project. I thought it was a mixed bag of people of different faiths and or no faith. And * gasp * even some Muslim folks.

                    mbmbn

Yet, there is a Christian church right next to Ground Zero...my comments weren't about the protesters

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People are still upset over 9-11.

Building a mosque there- will only lead to same crazy man bombing the mosque.

Sad- but true.  Some nut would take the law into his own hands.   It simply is a bad idea.

Yeah, probably true, but freedom isn't free... if we do not exercise our rights because of terrorists then the terrorists win

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How do you know the relatives of the killed are religiously intolerant...are you not presuming a lot? I'm not talking about the damn politicians or the corn belt religious right... I'm talking about the people who are struggling to forget and forgive...and that a little consideration to there feelings should be recognized by the Muslim elders.

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Manhattan real estate is very expensive.  Strange that any non profit could be cost efficient in that prime space.

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Scroll down, I answered, you will probably feel "disparaged", but that is not my problem

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Scroll down, I answered, you will probably feel "disparaged", but that is not my problem

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http://www.haaretz.com/news/international/muslim-leaders-to-abandon-plans-for-ground-zero-community-center-1.308426

But several people familiar with the debate among New York's Islamic activists now claim that the leaders are convinced abandoning the site is preferable to unleashing a wave of bitterness towards Muslims.

Another factor in the apparent climbdown is a lack of funds to pay for construction of the center, estimated to cost a hundred million dollars.

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Now again because you answer all questions... How do you know the relatives of the killed are religiously intolerant...hell even religious? Could they just still be grieving and need understanding and some consideration of their feelings? Right or wrong surely you have some empathy with there suffering and can see both sides of this situation...And separate these feelings from your abstract views of the Constitution.