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Churchill UFO cover up? - 8/6/2010 6:02:34 AM   
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RE: Churchill UFO cover up? - 8/6/2010 7:27:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		I would also love to see those files. I have always been a believer in UFO's. To many very credible people have reported seeing them, including commercial pilots, military pilots, law enforcemant officers and others.

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RE: Churchill UFO cover up? - 8/6/2010 10:15:04 AM   
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I have a Collector's Edition copy of "The UFO Experience: A Scientific Inquiry" By Dr. J. Allen Hynek! You have to ask yourself one question   Why would this guy who is an Astrophysicist, an Astronomer, and the Air Force's Personal Lap dog go from "There are no UFO's UFO's are crap, its all swap gas and hysteria" to"Yes there are UFO's and The Government is covering it up!"   Why Would the Air Force Spend millions of dollars and 5 years to "OFFICIALLY" investigate UFO's and then never release the actual report. They only released the summary, most of the public thinks that the report summary was the actual report itself.

  Why Would a US President just disappear for no apparent reason in 1954????   On the evening of February 20, 1954.President Eisenhower Just disappeared for several hours and now one and I mean NO one not even the secret service knew where he was! then he appeared and said that he had been with a dentist for a bad tooth.   Yet the official Eisenhower papers do not show that he went to a dentist on that date or that the white house of the government ever paid a dentist on that date. Consider that this is the president of the US we are talking about, if he had had a bad tooth then wouldn't he have had a military dentist provided to him???

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RE: Churchill UFO cover up? - 8/6/2010 10:37:24 AM   
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What are we talking about again?

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RE: Churchill UFO cover up? - 8/6/2010 10:59:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		I personally have seen seemingly impossible movements of objects in the sky that I sure can’t explain but….It is still hard for me to believe…not impossible but hard to believe they are aliens.

I think…If we, meaning the human race, were to find another intelligent life form on another planet…especially less technically advanced...would we just observe or would we make ourselves known. I think we would say “hi take me to your leader“…not hide.

I do understand the fear of meeting an advanced society…one that could be a danger…but I think if we find them rather than them find us we would most likely have no worries.

Otherwise it just does not make sense that an intelligent being would travel so far then fail to say hello.

Butch

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RE: Churchill UFO cover up? - 8/6/2010 2:30:43 PM   
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the govt had holograms- that can fake visuals.... all the world is a stage-

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RE: Churchill UFO cover up? - 8/6/2010 4:51:43 PM   
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Greetings all....

When I get off from work, about midnight, I almost always see lights moving in the night sky that I can't specifically identify. You can certainly call them Unidentified Flying Objects.



<grins>



Now....the fact that I work next to Chicago's O'Hare airport has something to do with this. I know they are airplanes.....I just don't know what type of airplane or who it belongs to. <evil grin>

Be well all....

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RE: Churchill UFO cover up? - 8/6/2010 6:38:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		UFO does indeed mean unidentified flying object, which to all intents any man made aircraft is until it is identified, hell, even what we see cruising across the sky with a vapour trail behind it can be a UFO until that is it is identified or assumed to be as a common or garden aircraft as that is what we in all sense expect it to be, but that is not to say what flies in the sky can always be identified, an incorrect IFF transmission can deem a flying object unidentified and with that, a potential foe, but at least enough to get the jets up for a look see in peacetime at least with the majority of civilised air space.

But regarding the UFO UFO'S, the topic of this conversation, I believe they may exist, but who is to say they come from outer space, why not our very own planet, for there are places on this planet yet to receive human visitation, places beyond our current technology, a thing that irritates me somewhat, that funds are being spent on off world activities when it is we do not know the truth of our own planet yet.

As to evidence of unusual happenings, just check out the myths and mysteries of the many primitive  and not so primitive cultures of the earth, for one thing becomes apparent, a common belief in things not believed to be human and that by the things witnessed being above and beyond the knowledge of those that recorded what they saw, things that became woven into myth and legend,  nearly every culture has a common occurence. Who knows even the eminent beings of various cultures, the gods and goddesses may very well have originated from things seen in the sky or coming to the earth from the sky.


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RE: Churchill UFO cover up? - 8/6/2010 8:41:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Oh come on guys. Did you read that piece? Scant evidence would be a generous description...and all in one neat implausible causal chain.

Although Colonel Mustard did say something odd about how the candlestick came to be in the conservatory.

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RE: Churchill UFO cover up? - 8/6/2010 8:45:08 PM   
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You should be bard for saying that.

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RE: Churchill UFO cover up? - 8/6/2010 10:19:57 PM   
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I personally have seen seemingly impossible movements of objects in the sky that I sure can’t explain but….It is still hard for me to believe…not impossible but hard to believe they are aliens.

I think…If we, meaning the human race, were to find another intelligent life form on another planet…especially less technically advanced...would we just observe or would we make ourselves known. I think we would say “hi take me to your leader“…not hide.

I do understand the fear of meeting an advanced society…one that could be a danger…but I think if we find them rather than them find us we would most likely have no worries.

Otherwise it just does not make sense that an intelligent being would travel so far then fail to say hello.

Butch


Who's to say an extraterrestrial life form would be a life form we would recognize as such?

Different planets/atmospheres = different life forms.  And despite all we know about the cosmos, we certainly aren't competely knowledgable about all the universes have to offer!

Just sayin'...

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RE: Churchill UFO cover up? - 8/7/2010 7:11:09 AM   
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RE: Churchill UFO cover up? - 8/7/2010 5:09:23 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

quote:

ORIGINAL: kdsub

I personally have seen seemingly impossible movements of objects in the sky that I sure can’t explain but….It is still hard for me to believe…not impossible but hard to believe they are aliens.

I think…If we, meaning the human race, were to find another intelligent life form on another planet…especially less technically advanced...would we just observe or would we make ourselves known. I think we would say “hi take me to your leader“…not hide.

I do understand the fear of meeting an advanced society…one that could be a danger…but I think if we find them rather than them find us we would most likely have no worries.

Otherwise it just does not make sense that an intelligent being would travel so far then fail to say hello.

Butch


Who's to say an extraterrestrial life form would be a life form we would recognize as such?

Different planets/atmospheres = different life forms.  And despite all we know about the cosmos, we certainly aren't competely knowledgable about all the universes have to offer!

Just sayin'...


What everyone seems to assume, is anything that might make itself apparent to us will be the same size, we are looking for entities we recognise in size. Is there any universal law thar states other intelligent lifeforms must be of a certain size, is human size the standard, I think not. Perhaps humans are the size they are as governed by the planet we happen to live on, but is that saying every other planet which has dceveloped an intelligent life form must be the same size as our planet, maybe even the astronomers used to the size of the planet we live on, expect a similar size and are there seeking that size.

I once saw the start of a movie, it featured  a battle in space, a spaceship being fired upon by another and that space ship hit starts it's descent on a blue planet out of control, the next scene is an upraised arm and a child in  a park crying leaving the thought that that spaceship seen over earth being fired at by another plunged to the earth to end up in the skin of the child in the park thus creating the thought that aliens might actually be smaller than us, even microscopic, but is anyone searching on a microscopic or even larger than that level ? It could be even that aliens are in fact all around us all the time, but they are not seen because we are looking for our own life size. How blind can we be ?

But then, it is the failure of humans that they always seek size first as if it is a prerequisite of life, but with that irrational fascination comes the logical thought that humanity might be missing out on much of life and development of our species because with many size matters above all.


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RE: Churchill UFO cover up? - 8/7/2010 5:49:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		You and GreedyTop have some good points but don't you think it silly to travel light years then not try to contact us? Surely by any standard we are intelligent and would be able to communicate on some level anyway. If we were as amebas to them they would not try to hide from us would they. I mean the fact that we can see them at times mean they share some part of the physical universe with us…and therefore our presence should be obvious to them.

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RE: Churchill UFO cover up? - 8/7/2010 6:12:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		Maybe if there is other entities out there, maybe what they do is observe, they watch us, our progression and our destruction, much like we observe the animal kingdom by whatever means we have available to us. But lets face it, what do you think would be the likely scenario if ever other beings thought to present themselves to us, I personally believe the movie industry has demonstrated a firm grasp of that prospect, for we will meet them with a show of force, which is common to humanity. A common event that has been displayed through history, it is us, we must show force rather than openess. because we still cling to all notions of the past, thus proving we have not really evolved as people, only our technology has evolved and much of that even derivitives of war related science. If indeed we are being watched by others, then sure they will understand we are not all the same, but those that wield power on Earth have access to terrible weaponry which they will use if it is any intention is even slightly misunderstood, their people in the way does not matter, for the threat must be controlled to make the controllers feel comfortable.

Maybe it is the true advocates for this planet are the unpowerful, for they have access to nothing but themselves, so can speak with honesty, whereas, we all know the leaders often speak with forked tongues even to their own people.

Power corrupts and it takes a very rare human to avoid it's influence, maybe it is those that observe know us better than we know ourselves, for it is human to forget until the next time.


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RE: Churchill UFO cover up? - 8/7/2010 6:26:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		ahh so we are unknown to the animal kingdom. But I agree it would be a frightening event and we may not act properly...I wonder what the norm is in the universe...does evil prevail or good? Is the universe Republican or Democrat?

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RE: Churchill UFO cover up? - 8/7/2010 6:40:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		All this partisan shite is what keeps people apart, perhaps a mechanism created by those in power to stop the underlings ever unifying against the common enemy, those in power and how they are abusing their nice but dim supporters.The key is tribalism, political parties are in effect tribes in an age where tribes are a thing of the past and those considered primitive by our  so believed advanced standards. It really makes me laugh and at the same time feel sorrow for what happens down there in P and R, the glut of chatter about political parties and what they are doing from day to day, all reinforcing my belief that the USA is a nation divided and perhaps more divided than it has ever been and whilst the populace squabbles, those in power live on in privelidge planning how to manipulate the tribes to keep themselves in the luxurty they have become accustomed to.

A real big step forward for this world, would be to unite as one and there demonstrate to who may be watching that humanity has evolved far from it's destructive past, perhaps a world government as was suggested in an earlier thread.


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RE: Churchill UFO cover up? - 8/7/2010 6:45:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		As long as people are free to think there will be differences in thought and action and we will band together to support each other... If you want it any different you will need to jump aboard one of those UFO's and find a different planet.

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RE: Churchill UFO cover up? - 8/7/2010 7:02:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Interestingly I have just noticed there is a thread recently stated down in P&R saying very much the same as I said in my last post here, your partisan bullshit is destroying your country. Remember together people may stand, but divided they will fall. The USA and it's increased partisan ideas is dividing your country and the world is watching along with any potential other observers. The worrying thing is, when people feel threatened, they tend to lash out to divert their confusion. Hmm, well there has been a lot of that in recent years, the supposed quelling of yet another bogeyman to increase your country's military capability at the expense of yourselves.

If I was an alien being and I wanted to make myself known  to the people of earth, I would at all costs toatally avoid anyone or anywhere  that has military might, for I would come in peace and be confident of finding peace, not threat and displays of weaponry. I would make myself known to the peace loving perhaps more stable members of this planet, and who knows, perhaps other beings actually have done already.


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