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Hypnnsis - 7/23/2010 11:02:33 AM

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I've been using hypnosis to help my friends with phobias and relaxation issues for years and uintil today no one ever asked me about using it as a form of Domination play.
Now the idea intrigues me, I'm going to give it a go. Do any of you do this?

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RE: Hypnnsis - 7/23/2010 11:13:29 AM

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ive certainly been approached by one or two people on the other side who have a definite interest in it. which is no help i know

but in a way, when in subspace i become hugely suggestible, my mind and body are free of resistance or questions or anything else - its a sort of hypnosis in any case.

so im guessing, with that in mind, it happens to others too and so happens quite a lot.

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RE: Hypnnsis - 7/23/2010 11:57:23 AM

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ive certainly been approached by one or two people on the other side who have a definite interest in it. which is no help i know

but in a way, when in subspace i become hugely suggestible, my mind and body are free of resistance or questions or anything else - its a sort of hypnosis in any case.

so im guessing, with that in mind, it happens to others too and so happens quite a lot.

*lol* I get that at the other place.

I'm aware that this is a big subject on Fetlife. If you don't get an adequate response here you might want to look over there. As for experience, no, I would liken mine to definite conditioning and modification techniques that didn't involve hypnosis. I'm not opposed because I find the subject of mental contortion very fascinating. Unfortunately, I've yet to encounter anyone that uses this approach.

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RE: Hypnnsis - 7/23/2010 12:48:33 PM

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The refractionary personality is not going to respond to hypnoses in the first place and as brain chemicals begin to preponderantly alter brain activity I would question susceptibility.

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RE: Hypnnsis - 7/23/2010 1:04:11 PM

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Hypnosis has plenty of potential as another tool in a dominants arsenal. Add another layer of sensations to play, or some interesting fun to role playing for starters. It can get to be a very slippery slope very quickly though, so I'll leave it with the simplest ideas.

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RE: Hypnnsis - 7/23/2010 1:15:36 PM

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Have you cured or minimised anyones phobia?

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RE: Hypnnsis - 7/23/2010 6:46:38 PM

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There is really no such thing as hypnosis as it is normally thought of. There are just degrees of suggestibility. The more control you have over someone the more suggestible they become. Therapeutic hypnosis is essentially an act of dominance and control. Anything you could employ under 'hypnosis' you should be able to use just as easily, if not more so, while you maintain knowing social dominance over them.

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RE: Hypnnsis - 7/23/2010 7:22:18 PM

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I have never been hypnotized in person, but I have listened to some erotic hypnosis MP3s, and I can tell you that they work. Of course, I can still disregard any suggestion if I want, but if I know what the session is about and if there aren't any elements that I don't like, I can just let go and follow the suggestions.
I can't be sure if this is real hypnosis or just my highly engaged imagination, but there were some obvious effects, namely extreme arousal and body relaxation. In this state you don't feel like moving. It can also be used for mental bondage. If you are imaginative and suggestible enough you can feel as if you are really tied up. Even if you can't really feel it you can pretend that you do and have some great fun.
Of course hypnosis can be abused, so some wisdom and common sense are highly recommended before trying this adventure. Never listen to files you don't know what they are about and never allow people you don't really trust hypnotize you. In case of questionable suggestions most subjects would immediately exit trance state, but there are some people who are highly suggestible and who can be gradually lead into very dangerous territories through hypnosis.

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RE: Hypnnsis - 7/24/2010 1:04:20 AM

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I dont think I could get any sub to voluntarily engage in pretend acts of oral sex in front of 100 complete strangers. But I have seen people do this on stage, in front of a live audience, and the subjects knew it would likely be aired on television.

It seemed to me that they had completely lost the ability to experience shame, embarrasment, or even consider that they may be seen doing these things by friends, family, neighbours and work mates. Hypnosis is certainly a strange thing

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There is really no such thing as hypnosis as it is normally thought of. There are just degrees of suggestibility. The more control you have over someone the more suggestible they become. Therapeutic hypnosis is essentially an act of dominance and control. Anything you could employ under 'hypnosis' you should be able to use just as easily, if not more so, while you maintain knowing social dominance over them.

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RE: Hypnnsis - 7/24/2010 1:21:52 AM

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No offense but I don't believe it. People who think or act like they've been hypnotized *want* to believe they were. It may be therapeutic in that someone becomes more open to listening to the hypnotist. But hypnosis is bullshit.

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RE: Hypnnsis - 7/24/2010 1:23:04 AM

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I am firmly convinced contradiction and argument fails to offer the discerning mind opportunity to explore probability.
One can argue without cause or reason beyond the pleasure arguing brings them and that equates to simply stroking their own ego and a wasteful squandering of time.

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RE: Hypnnsis - 7/24/2010 1:40:24 AM

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No offense but I don't believe it. People who think or act like they've been hypnotized *want* to believe they were. It may be therapeutic in that someone becomes more open to listening to the hypnotist. But hypnosis is bullshit.

Well you are of course entitled to your opinion, however you stand against some very well trained and experienced Hypnotherapists including some who are also practising medical professionals all well accredited by State and Federal Government Authorities (Australian, British and/or USA). For years I've listened to the cries of bullshit and it doesn't work or comments even as well put by Plasticine. It doesn't alter the evidence and acceptance any more than the arguments decrying "Brain Washing"or if you prefer mind altering. My views regarding amateur hypnotists as is people playing with it who are not professionally and clinically trained and accredited remain the same and which I have argued long and loud on several threads over the past years so there is little point in my doing so again. people will believe and do what they choose no matter what is said to the contrary in the main.

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RE: Hypnnsis - 7/24/2010 2:23:40 AM

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No offense but I don't believe it. People who think or act like they've been hypnotized *want* to believe they were. It may be therapeutic in that someone becomes more open to listening to the hypnotist. But hypnosis is bullshit.

Well you are of course entitled to your opinion, however you stand against some very well trained and experienced Hypnotherapists including some who are also practising medical professionals all well accredited by State and Federal Government Authorities (Australian, British and/or USA). For years I've listened to the cries of bullshit and it doesn't work or comments even as well put by Plasticine. It doesn't alter the evidence and acceptance any more than the arguments decrying "Brain Washing"or if you prefer mind altering. My views regarding amateur hypnotists as is people playing with it who are not professionally and clinically trained and accredited remain the same and which I have argued long and loud on several threads over the past years so there is little point in my doing so again. people will believe and do what they choose no matter what is said to the contrary in the main.

I am not concerned with what these guys are doing in their free time, but what exactly are these alleged 'State and Federal Government Authorities' that accredit practicioners? Come to think of it, I don't think there's such a thing as a Government Authority that accredits 'hynotherapists'.

EDIT: I found this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypnotherapy#Training

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When it comes to becoming a hypnotherapist, training requirements and state registration requirements vary greatly around the world. Those interested in becoming a hypnotherapist should first research the laws in their state and then consider joining a professional organization that can guide them in proper training and offer a central code of ethics and disciplinary procedure to which they can commit. This provides assurance to clients and a good ethical framework for the therapist in question. A BBC investigation found that the conditions for becoming registered aren't always sufficient to prevent fraud: "The regulation of hypnotherapists in the UK is so lax that even a cat can become accredited, the BBC has found. George the cat was registered with three hypnotherapy organisations." Similar results were found in the United States.[18]"

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RE: Hypnnsis - 7/24/2010 4:57:15 AM

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Hypno-therapists are accredited here where I live and a number of my psychologist associates are also hypno-therapists. Really dear you need get your head out of the US and wiki which is not the most reliable source..

I have already granted that you have your opinion and that you are entitlred to express it. This is something which, even though I may vermently dissagree with your opinions, I will defend your right to both have them and express them. In polite circles this is where both opposing parties can agree to disagree. I just hapen to have on my circle of aquaintences and Lodge brotherfs a number of well respected gentlemen from a variety of legal and medical arenas and thus I oft am involved with discussions about a wide variety of matters including both hypnosis as a medical tool (in a wide area) and amateur hypnotists and some of the damage done as well as the mess requiring therapy to rectify it. As I say this is jet another area in which we really should agree to disagree.

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RE: Hypnnsis - 7/24/2010 5:41:24 AM

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Hypno-therapists are accredited here where I live and a number of my psychologist associates are also hypno-therapists. Really dear you need get your head out of the US and wiki which is not the most reliable source..

Read the sources posted by the wiki then, dear.

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I just hapen to have on my circle of aquaintences and Lodge brotherfs a number of well respected gentlemen from a variety of legal and medical arenas and thus I oft am involved with discussions about a wide variety of matters including both hypnosis as a medical tool (in a wide area) and amateur hypnotists and some of the damage done as well as the mess requiring therapy to rectify it. As I say this is jet another area in which we really should agree to disagree.

What the entry states is that those accreditations only hold water because those hypnotherapists actually also happen to have medical degrees, not degrees in hypnotherapy. The medical fields give these hypnotherapists their credence, *not* the hypnotherapy field itself. The guidelines to be accredited are so lax in the UK for example that the BBC had an article on how a man's cat could get accredited as well because they orgnization was NOT checking backgrounds on who they were accrediting willy-nilly.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/8303126.stm

Good news is, we have a British cat somewhere that is not just a hypnosis enthusiast, but the real live accredited thing!!

EDIT: Oh I forgot to mention, you *are* aware that the U.S. has undeniably the best medicare care (if not healthcare system) in the world, correct?

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RE: Hypnnsis - 7/24/2010 6:10:43 AM

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No offense but I don't believe it. People who think or act like they've been hypnotized *want* to believe they were. It may be therapeutic in that someone becomes more open to listening to the hypnotist. But hypnosis is bullshit.

Even if you're right - and I think you're not - the effect is the same. If people do what they "want" to do but are otherwise too inhibited for, hasn't the method worked?

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RE: Hypnnsis - 7/24/2010 6:18:58 AM

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I dont think I could get any sub to voluntarily engage in pretend acts of oral sex in front of 100 complete strangers. But I have seen people do this on stage, in front of a live audience, and the subjects knew it would likely be aired on television.

Nods. I've seen similar things in adult-themed stage hypnosis. Youtube has a wide variety of interesting videos on this. :)

I think stage hypnosis is a different sort of beast than private hypnosis in technique. Or at least that's what I've gleaned from people who practice hypnosis. Perhaps stage hypnosis draws upon (or even depends on) different motivations, such as exhibitionism.

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RE: Hypnnsis - 7/24/2010 6:23:13 AM

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No offense but I don't believe it. People who think or act like they've been hypnotized *want* to believe they were. It may be therapeutic in that someone becomes more open to listening to the hypnotist. But hypnosis is bullshit.

Even if you're right - and I think you're not - the effect is the same. If people do what they "want" to do but are otherwise too inhibited for, hasn't the method worked?

Yes, IF there was any quantifiable evidence for it working. Have you heard of a placebo? Or the concept of subjectivity? A person could for example, find a 4-leaf clover, and then have a great day. Just because the person happens to be superstitious and really thinks that their good day was caused by luck, doesn't mean their day is a result of it. That day would still be statistically in the normal range of how many good days people have.

Now, what's worse, would be if someone were to grow and sell four-leaf clovers, knowing that some schmuck will pay the money for them simply because that person is uninhibited enough to scorn logic and evidence.

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RE: Hypnnsis - 7/24/2010 6:28:23 AM

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This is how it works for me. As a matter of fact, it worked just last weekend...

I said... " Look into my eyes.............."

Then, I yelled loud and nasty things while I twisted her nipples.

BINGO!, she was under my control.

I am gifted.

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RE: Hypnnsis - 7/24/2010 6:48:12 AM

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This is how it works for me. As a matter of fact, it worked just last weekend...

I said... " Look into my eyes.............."

Then, I yelled loud and nasty things while I twisted her nipples.

BINGO!, she was under my control.

I am gifted.

I don't think I'll ever get the hang of this bdsm thing. *sigh*

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