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need advice concerning employment - 7/18/2010 6:58:33 PM   
defiantbadgirl


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Status: offline 		I want a different job. I enjoy what I do now and I'm good at it, but I'm tired of sacrificing every weekend night and giving up holidays. Spending holidays with family is important to me. Work is important, but I think family should come first. The problem I'm running into when seeking other employment is that companies won't hire me because of my current job. I'm more than willing to give up the job I have now once the probationary period is over at the new job. But I can't afford to give up my current job unless I know first that another job will work out or I could end up with no job at all. Is there any way I can get past this?

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RE: need advice concerning employment - 7/18/2010 7:06:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		What exactly is their issue with your working at your present job? In this economy it is not uncommon for people to have 2 jobs... unless perhaps you are presenting it as you are holding onto the first job for security.
Then it seems like you really don't care if you work out in the new company or not.

I would leave out telling them that you plan to quit the old job once this one works out.

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RE: need advice concerning employment - 7/18/2010 7:13:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		It isnt uncommon to have problems finding a positon if you already have one, because the old job is going to have first say in your availability, not the new one. If you have vacation time, use it. 

I would suggest letting the new employer know you need a certain amount of notice to leave your old job and let them find a replacement for you. This makes you sound like a good employee who does things the right way.  Then take your vacation time, with proper notice, and use that time to be completely available to your new job. By the end of that time, you will know if the new job is going to work out or not, and when you return fro vacation you can give notice if necessary. nd once you give notice, let them know that you need them to work around your new position, not vice versa.

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RE: need advice concerning employment - 7/18/2010 7:16:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		The issue is weekend availability. I currently work 3rd shift Thursday, Friday, and Saturday night which means I have to sleep during the day and am not available on weekends. Most jobs want employees who are available to work weekends.

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RE: need advice concerning employment - 7/18/2010 7:18:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Im confused now. Are you saying you want a job that doesnt take your weekends and holidays, or are you saying that you cant find a job because your current ob has your weekends occupied and you arent available to a new job weekends because of it?

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RE: need advice concerning employment - 7/18/2010 7:21:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't have vacations. I recently had to take an absence that counted against me so I could attend my first cousin's wedding. It didn't matter that I told them a month in advance because my co-worker was going to a concert and refused to trade shifts with me. We are expected to find our own replacement.

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RE: need advice concerning employment - 7/18/2010 7:22:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		Maybe its just me, but i have never come across a company willing to hire someone who wants to continuing working at their old employer because they are afraid of the probationary period- nor would i expect them too.  IF i am reading your OP correctly, to me, when i was hiring this would tell me they aren't serious about my company or working for me, or are so worried they won't work out at my company they need a back up in their old job and as an employer i would be concerned with where your focus was if you were still working for your old employer.  Perhaps using my company and job as a way to get your old employer to negotiate with you, which means i would be again looking for a new employee -- i.e., you have no loyalty to your new employer idea.  Also, i would wonder if you would be lying to your old employer and not telling them you have a new job and that wouldn't say much for your character.  Also, if its in the same field, many places do not like employees moonlighting for competition. 

Perhaps you can offer to intern for the probationary period to show your loyaty to wanting the new job while maintaining your old position or since your job is going to allow you to work for a new company and quit after the probationary period, why not ask them if they would be willing to hire you back if something doesn't work out in the new company.  I mean you aren't leaving on bad terms, you simply need a schedule they cannot provide.

You would really have to be extra-ordinary i think for a company to consider what you seem to be proposing -- moonlighting for your old employer so you still have a job in case it doesn't work out with the new because they would want you that badly they were willing to agree and negotiate terms of your employment with them, including this..  

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RE: need advice concerning employment - 7/18/2010 7:23:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		No employer wants someone who's going to 'half' take a job....especially in this job market.

What do you do? How long is the probationary period? Can you take leave (paid or unpaid) from the first job while you try the second?

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RE: need advice concerning employment - 7/18/2010 7:27:03 PM   
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Im confused now. Are you saying you want a job that doesnt take your weekends and holidays, or are you saying that you cant find a job because your current ob has your weekends occupied and you arent available to a new job weekends because of it?


I have no problem working first shift on weekends as long as it's not Christmas, Thanksgiving, or New Years. I'd even be willing to work occasional weekend evenings as long as it wasn't on a regular basis. I'm saying I can't find a job beause my current job makes me unavailable on weekends.


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RE: need advice concerning employment - 7/18/2010 7:29:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		And your new job wants you available for weekends?



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RE: need advice concerning employment - 7/18/2010 7:33:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ok. I'm generally called "crazy" when I decide to make changes like this, so bear that in mind.

Take the leap of faith. Give the right notice to the old job, don't burn any bridges, and then throw yourself into the new without reservation and without handicapping yourself with insufficient rest.

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RE: need advice concerning employment - 7/18/2010 7:35:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Disos4me

No employer wants someone who's going to 'half' take a job....especially in this job market.

What do you do? How long is the probationary period? Can you take leave (paid or unpaid) from the first job while you try the second?


I provide in home care for disabled adults. Since they need care even on holidays, the job isn't closed on major holidays like most businesses. I can't leave my current position for PRN (on call status) because I'm not an approved driver and can't be for another year.

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RE: need advice concerning employment - 7/18/2010 7:40:55 PM   
defiantbadgirl


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And your new job wants you available for weekends?




There is no new job yet. No company I've talked to will consider me for employment because I'm currently unavailable on weekends. In this economy many people have more than one job. How do they do that? Why aren't they running into the same problem?

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RE: need advice concerning employment - 7/18/2010 7:50:44 PM   
barelynangel


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Status: offline 		Ahhhh, okay i think i read the OP wrong.     they do that by not having two jobs who want them for weekends.  But it sounds like your issue is not with working weekends but giving up one job for the other.

It sounds like you have to make a decision, leave the old job for a new one if you get an offer and risk it by taking as someone said a leap of faith.   Or see if you would be eligible for unemployment through your old company, if your new company doesn't work out.  Many times, unemployment works that way, they will go back to the previous employer if you haven't been to the new one long enough.

I don't know what PRN is, but if it will give you better options, stick it out until you become a PRN and then utilize that to get a better position.  I know if i got a second job so to speak, ONE job would be my primary job and would take precedent over the other's demands.  

You have to remember no employer wants to be told they will be second in your priority, so you have to work it so that you determine one will be the primary and you work around the other one.  Tough call, but i don't think people who work 2 jobs do so in the same field -- most employers would frown upon their employees working for the competition.

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RE: need advice concerning employment - 7/18/2010 9:26:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Because they don't have schedule conflicts.  For instance, they hold a full-time position M-F 8-5 and then work in the evenings or weekends on a second job.  Some employers will require approval of them taking a second job (to prevent possible conflicts of interest.)

BTW, the fact that you must provide your own substitute doesn't obligate anyone to trade with you. 

I'd sit tight for a year until you could be a driver and open up some more opportunities.
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And your new job wants you available for weekends?




There is no new job yet. No company I've talked to will consider me for employment because I'm currently unavailable on weekends. In this economy many people have more than one job. How do they do that? Why aren't they running into the same problem?

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RE: need advice concerning employment - 7/19/2010 5:58:01 AM   
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ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl
There is no new job yet. No company I've talked to will consider me for employment because I'm currently unavailable on weekends. In this economy many people have more than one job. How do they do that? Why aren't they running into the same problem?


It's unlikely you are going to find a second gig in home health care that does not require at least some weekend work. Working in home health already I'm kinda surprised that you don't already realize that. What's the whole approved driver thing about? My gf works in home health care and says she can't think of any driving issues that are particular to PRN work that don't apply to general travel seeing patients. How do you get to your patients' homes at the present time? Also, won't there be some conflict of interest issues working for two companies during the probationary period?




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RE: need advice concerning employment - 7/19/2010 6:06:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		You should be delighted to be working weekend or not. I would gladly swap places with You. Your getting paid mate, its a job, you should be grateful. Millions are not.
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RE: need advice concerning employment - 7/19/2010 10:48:06 AM   
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It's unlikely you are going to find a second gig in home health care that does not require at least some weekend work. Working in home health already I'm kinda surprised that you don't already realize that. What's the whole approved driver thing about? My gf works in home health care and says she can't think of any driving issues that are particular to PRN work that don't apply to general travel seeing patients. How do you get to your patients' homes at the present time? Also, won't there be some conflict of interest issues working for two companies during the probationary period?




I'm not looking for a second job in home health care. As for driving I can drive myself to job sites. I just can't transport clients. Going PRN definitely has advantages. I would get calls when they needed someone to work at various locations. I would have the option of accepting or declining. I could continue working at the company I work for now while finding another job I could do that wouldn't tie up all my weekend evening hours. Somewhere that was closed on holidays. Unfortunately, the one disadvantage (income risk) outweighs all the advantages. I have curvature of the spine, so any job I get I have to make sure I can physically handle it. If a new job wasn't a good fit, I'd have a hard time securing another permanent position at the company I work for now. I can't be an approved driver for another year because of my driving record and most permanent positions require that. PRN's don't usually get many hours. One thing I am going to do is get faster at typing. Then I might be able to find a job that turns permanent through a temp agency. I hate the thought of having to wait another year, but the way it looks now, I may not have a choice.

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RE: need advice concerning employment - 7/19/2010 10:52:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		If you are working for PRN and not getting many hours.......MOVE. They are scrambling for employees around here and you could get 40 hours, just on the weekend.

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RE: need advice concerning employment - 7/19/2010 11:03:23 AM   
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Also, won't there be some conflict of interest issues working for two companies during the probationary period?



PRN ( think on call here) contains no conflict of interest. Its like being self-employed, or a sub-contractor. No agency has a monopoly. I worked, at one time, for three different agencies. They all contracted with the same set of hospitals. They all paid pretty much the same amount of money.

The hospitals called the agency, the agency called me, offering work. First call, first worked.

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