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RE: Is marriage - 6/29/2010 3:06:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Whiplashsmile4

It CAN BE, however the real question is how condusive two people are to one another to begin with?


I agree with this statement.

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RE: Is marriage - 6/29/2010 3:18:37 PM   
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An even more interesting question: how does an open marriage compare to a marriage within the lifestyle? (aside from any obvious overlap)

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RE: Is marriage - 6/29/2010 3:32:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MsMillgrove
When children arrive, it appears that the d/s has to go into the bedroom or be an "outside" evening at a club. D/s is not something that you want to put away.. to put into a drawer, take in and out.

While it can still be subtly present under child radar within a contemporary western household, I generally agree with this. The ever-presence of children in a home does not make for the most fertile M/s environment, in my mind.

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RE: Is marriage - 6/30/2010 4:14:02 AM   
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Ms Millgrove said: "When children arrive, it appears that the d/s has to go into the bedroom or be an "outside" evening at a club. D/s is not something that you want to put away.. to put into a drawer, take in and out."

CallaFirestormBW replied: "I have to say that this hasn't been my experience, having raised a number of children within an active authority-based household, and also being somewhat atypically qualified by having been on both the authority-yielding and the authority-wielding ends of the authority-structure in that household while raising said saplings.".. and much more

I appreciate always your insightful posts CallaFirestorm and was hoping you might chime in with your own experience. I think it's atypical. The average couple does not start out life together with the training and experience you've had with authority-based relationships. It's not a surprise to hear that your children turned out well, as strong, resilient saplings.

I based my comment on what I see, on personal observations and stories of others. There's always exceptions. I do think it is possible to structure the relationship to include a d/s dynamic that is compatible with children--it's just hard to do it and most couples find marriage and parenting difficult enough without attempting to construct a situation where D/s fits comfortably.

The ways the parents in my neighborhood and at the local schools have parented their children have .. been rather surprising to me. I watched many trends blow in and out over 29 yrs with at least one child in K-12. Some more assinine than others. I recall a neighbor saying to me, "but the children mind you." and I looked at her.. replying, "well they should mind you, too" And she just sighed and said, "you have a note of authority in your voice." as tho this were some unattainable, amazing musical talent like perfect pitch. So ridiculous.

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RE: Is marriage - 6/30/2010 9:56:45 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MsMillgrove

I find that the two dynamics-marriage and d/s work best for marriages later in life when the children are out of the house, or for marriages with no children at all.

When children arrive, it appears that the d/s has to go into the bedroom or be an "outside" evening at a club. D/s is not something that you want to put away.. to put into a drawer, take in and out.

Yet, in front of children, you model a behavior. If you're lucky to be in a culture where it's a tradition to have one partner in charge of the household, to be the authority, this is easier. In homes with Mid-Eastern or some Latin or Asian roots, the women can acceptably behave in a submissive fashion. In a Jewish household, the woman is queen at home. A male Jewish sub is therefore in a great spot. So it's possible if the cultural-ethnic roots are already present for the couple, they could have an easier time of keeping their d/s out in the open in front of the children.

Every couple has to find their own way to adjust and adapt. Personally, I find it hard to be my sadistic self or to discipline a person I am deeply in love with in a romantic sense.
That's just me, I would never marry a slave.


BDSM as we play with it now did not enter into our relationship until after our child was born.
Now our relationship is much simpler structured, the boundaries are much clearer, we are on a much steadier course... i think our child does well in this environment, as do we.
Obviously sexual aspects... (like putting a collar and lead on me and have me crawl about the room) need to be done after the sprog is asleep and certain doors are locked, but we do not find this too much of a hinderance at all at this moment.

i hope things do not become 'difficult' when our child gets to be a teenager but i suppose sleepovers at friends & family will always be a regular occurance.

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RE: Is marriage - 6/30/2010 10:29:38 AM   
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It has been for him and Alandra for the last 20 years and raising a family has not put a damper on it either.

From my understanding though, raising a family is not a topic that can be discussed on this site. I have a journal entry about Poly, M/s and family under my profile on fet life if anyone is interested in how we do things.

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